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A brilliant article, about science and it's interpretation and limitations and all ultimately brings us back to the question of consciousness. For me consciousness the most important missing piece of the puzzle.


 
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Interesting, I once watched a debate about consciousness, a neuroscience stated "we have no clue what it really is yet or how it arises."

The Buddhist view is that mind pre-exists it, and that consciousness then creates ego or self and thus clouds mind in the delusions of consciousness.

Now when I am flying on a plane I might want to sit next to a Buddhist monk and discuss that, but I want a rationalist to actually fly the plane.

And if the plane goes down, I will either take the Buddhist monk far more seriously or hit the drinks cart.
 

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My opinion of consciousness concluded from my own experience/understanding over the years is it’s simply the true “self” of anything which is concious. From my own perspective it’s undeniable. As discussed in this thread, what conciousness is not even science can answer at present. It appears to be something so profound that it can only be grasped at a conceptual level with any further endeavour falling well short.

I’d argue it’s a pretty big deal not being able to understand the most fundamental thing to our existence. Main issue stemming from this is as humans we seem very poor at dealing with not having the answer on a personal level, even if one has never consciously thought about what it is that actually animates them.

I believe the ego is simply our default mechanism. We create it and identify with it both consciously and subconsciously almost as a substitute. The “I” humans associate with is nothing more than a construct of the mind that most aren’t even aware they created themselves. The true “I” is the one that constructed the ego in the first place and observes it at all times. Conciousness.

The ego has a place in life, but not to anywhere near the level of dominance we give it. In our natural state it’s meant to be used at our discretion and submissive to our will, not running the show. I’m by no means a religious person, but I can definitely see why non Western religions such as Buddhism advocate moving away from the ego dominant mind. Especially when you start seeing it for what it really is, which is mostly just a bunch of limiting beliefs you didn’t consciously choose, the task becomes pertinent.
 

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My opinion of consciousness concluded from my own experience/understanding over the years is it’s simply the true “self” of anything which is concious. From my own perspective it’s undeniable. As discussed in this thread, what conciousness is not even science can answer at present. It appears to be something so profound that it can only be grasped at a conceptual level with any further endeavour falling well short.

I’d argue it’s a pretty big deal not being able to understand the most fundamental thing to our existence. Main issue stemming from this is as humans we seem very poor at dealing with not having the answer on a personal level, even if one has never consciously thought about what it is that actually animates them.

I believe the ego is simply our default mechanism. We create it and identify with it both consciously and subconsciously almost as a substitute. The “I” humans associate with is nothing more than a construct of the mind that most aren’t even aware they created themselves. The true “I” is the one that constructed the ego in the first place and observes it at all times. Conciousness.

The ego has a place in life, but not to anywhere near the level of dominance we give it. In our natural state it’s meant to be used at our discretion and submissive to our will, not running the show. I’m by no means a religious person, but I can definitely see why non Western religions such as Buddhism advocate moving away from the ego dominant mind. Especially when you start seeing it for what it really is, which is mostly just a bunch of limiting beliefs you didn’t consciously choose, the task becomes pertinent.
Brilliant post! :thumbsu: :thumbsu: :thumbsu: :thumbsu:
 

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The ego has a place in life, but not to anywhere near the level of dominance we give it. In our natural state it’s meant to be used at our discretion and submissive to our will, not running the show. I’m by no means a religious person, but I can definitely see why non Western religions such as Buddhism advocate moving away from the ego dominant mind. Especially when you start seeing it for what it really is, which is mostly just a bunch of limiting beliefs you didn’t consciously choose, the task becomes pertinent.
If you are interested in Eastern philosophy, i strongly suggest you read more of Stanfard physicist Andrei Linde, who co-founded the Inflation theory in Big Bang.

Here is a small sample.



Prof Linde wrote in ‘Life, Universe, Consciousness’: “Will it not turn out, with the further development of science, that the study of the Universe and the study of consciousness will be inseparably linked, and that ultimate progress in the one will be impossible without progress in the other?

“The Universe and the observer exist as a pair. I cannot imagine a consistent theory of the Universe that ignores consciousness.”


The full article is here, about Linde discussing consciousness in regards to Buddhism.

 
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If you are interested in Eastern philosophy, i strongly suggest you read more of Stanfard of physicist Andrei Linde, who co-founded the Inflation theory in Big Bang.

Here is a small sample.



Prof Linde wrote in ‘Life, Universe, Consciousness’: “Will it not turn out, with the further development of science, that the study of the Universe and the study of consciousness will be inseparably linked, and that ultimate progress in the one will be impossible without progress in the other?

“The Universe and the observer exist as a pair. I cannot imagine a consistent theory of the Universe that ignores consciousness.”


The full article is here, about Linde discussing consciousness in regards to Buddhism.

Great read. Can’t argue with much, many of the points made are in line with my own views. I’ll admit I started reading less on the subject a while ago, kind of gets to the point after years of research your mind is so full of different concepts it takes your eye off the prize.

Old cliche but relevant especially where this topic is concerned, any revelation that comes from within is far more important to the individual than anything that can be read.
 

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Great read. Can’t argue with much, many of the points made are in line with my own views. I’ll admit I started reading less on the subject a while ago, kind of gets to the point after years of research your mind is so full of different concepts it takes your eye off the prize.

Old cliche but relevant especially where this topic is concerned, any revelation that comes from within is far more important to the individual than anything that can be read.
This is why in Vedas it's mentioned "knowledge" comes from "practice" (it meant meditation) and not books. Material knowledge can be obtained from books, but knowledge of self comes from understanding "self". This is why i studied and practiced Eastern mysticism so much, why would i believe someone if its stated in the books? and i basically scratched the surface and i call myself a n00b lol. I encourage everyone to indulge in "practice" of understanding self. Unfortunately "intellect" is useless here. Meditation by definition means relaxing the 3 centres which are "physical", "emotional" and "intellectual". What remains?
 

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jason pm this ones for you. As i said a million times before, meditation is the key! i never experienced tummo meditation (one of the more difficult techniques) but my journey took me to northern India as well where i discovered another technique of meditation.
 

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