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MJ and Shaq both have said they would pick Bryant over LBJ. Id take their opinions over anyone else's.

As has Larry Bird. He's said he'd play with Kobe to win, and Lebron to have fun.

I would say that opinion must be fairly objective given he's a legend of the Lakers arch rivals.

To me, Kobe has a level of drive and determination that is similar to MJ, that Lebron doesn't have purely because of his personality.
 
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As a Bulls fan I have no problems telling anyone that'll listen that Kobe and Shaq were the best two players since Jordan from a dominance perspective. Lebron loses from the perspective of intangibles, just not good enough when he's needed i.e., the last part of games.
 
Yeah you hear that all the time from people who know the game............

How can u roll your eyes like its no contest???

Same amount of titles ...

Duncan - best player on 4 title teams
Kobe - best player on 2

Duncan - 2 MVP's
Kobe - 1

Duncan - 3 Finals MVP's
Kobe - 2

Duncan - never missed playoffs
Kobe - missed playoffs 3 times

Duncan - ultimate team-mate, players want to play with him
Kobe - selfish egomaniac who drove away Shaq and at one stage Phil Jackson, bullies less talented team-mates

Duncan - plays for less than max so they can attract team-mates
Kobe - highest paid player in the league while inefficientally chucking on lottery team

Duncan - still playing for titles
Bryant - playing for points

Duncan - 0 off court distractions
Bryant - where do I start??


MJ and Shaq both have said they would pick Bryant over LBJ. Id take their opinions over anyone else's.

Jordan also selected Kwame Brown with a number 1 pick ... Adam Morrison with pick 3 ... better player than judge of talent. Who do you think coaches and players would rather have had on their team?


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E3, how smug did some of the game developers sound?
well the Bethesda ones did anyway

I'm surprised they are making a second Dishonored; didn't think that it was that big, I liked it
Loved the first, absolutely pumped for the sequel.
Developers are always smug, well except for Nintendo, those guys just like presenting quirky fun shit in weirdly nerdy borderline embarrassing ways.
 
Loved the first, absolutely pumped for the sequel.
Developers are always smug, well except for Nintendo, those guys just like presenting quirky fun shit in weirdly nerdy borderline embarrassing ways.

I ended up grabbing it because it reminded me of Thief and I never had the chance to play that :(
also Hitman, but I played that & own most of those

One game that Fallout 4 reminded of was RAGE, not sure if you've played that before?
But I mean the way that the towns look, the big busy towns
 
How can u roll your eyes like its no contest???

Same amount of titles ...

Duncan - best player on 4 title teams
Kobe - best player on 2

Duncan - 2 MVP's
Kobe - 1

Duncan - 3 Finals MVP's
Kobe - 2

Duncan - never missed playoffs
Kobe - missed playoffs 3 times

Duncan - ultimate team-mate, players want to play with him
Kobe - selfish egomaniac who drove away Shaq and at one stage Phil Jackson, bullies less talented team-mates

Duncan - plays for less than max so they can attract team-mates
Kobe - highest paid player in the league while inefficientally chucking on lottery team

Duncan - still playing for titles
Bryant - playing for points

Duncan - 0 off court distractions
Bryant - where do I start??




Jordan also selected Kwame Brown with a number 1 pick ... Adam Morrison with pick 3 ... better player than judge of talent. Who do you think coaches and players would rather have had on their team?



Solid argument

I love Tim Duncan, he is absolute quality. Has always had excellent chemistry with his team mates and a strong relationship with his coaches. But there is no way you can keep a straight face when saying you would take him over Bryant.
 
I love Tim Duncan, he is absolute quality. Has always had excellent chemistry with his team mates and a strong relationship with his coaches. But there is no way you can keep a straight face when saying you would take him over Bryant.
Prime Duncan over prime Kobe all day. Defense matters.
 
I love Tim Duncan, he is absolute quality. Has always had excellent chemistry with his team mates and a strong relationship with his coaches. But there is no way you can keep a straight face when saying you would take him over Bryant.

Bryants a freak and I understand that people rate him highly, he's been unbelievably good

But how can you not think its even a contest after everything Duncan has done?? That I don't understand. Asking me how I can keep a straight face saying Duncan is better??? :o Check out his resume :o
 
Mate! Kobe has made the All-Defensive team 12 times! Only 3 less than TD. Look at some of his lockdown D YouTube clips. Freak.
Kobe could lock down a player, no doubt. But Duncan's D effected all 5 guys on the court. Splitting hairs really. Both all time legends, and I'm a big fan of both.
 
Kobe could lock down a player, no doubt. But Duncan's D effected all 5 guys on the court. Splitting hairs really. Both all time legends, and I'm a big fan of both.

Yeah good call, really wanted TD to get another ring this year, more than anyone. The western conference is just silly good. LBJ has such an easy road each year it annoys me
 

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Yeah good call, really wanted TD to get another ring this year, more than anyone. The western conference is just silly good. LBJ has such an easy road each year it annoys me
Not to worry. The dubs will end it for him tomorrow. :)
 
I ended up grabbing it because it reminded me of Thief and I never had the chance to play that :(
also Hitman, but I played that & own most of those

One game that Fallout 4 reminded of was RAGE, not sure if you've played that before?
But I mean the way that the towns look, the big busy towns
Rage was pretty terrible. Looked great but was just kind of boring. Fallout 4 will be much better.
Really looking forward to FF VII remake, Shenmue 3, and Rare Replay. Some cool looking stuff coming out too.
 
Rage was pretty terrible. Looked great but was just kind of boring. Fallout 4 will be much better.
Really looking forward to FF VII remake, Shenmue 3, and Rare Replay. Some cool looking stuff coming out too.
Wait wait
Shenmue 3 is coming out....for real?

& I like RAGE, well the Wingsticks
story was horrible, as were the boss fights
 

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Wait wait
Shenmue 3 is coming out....for real?

& I like RAGE, well the Wingsticks
story was horrible, as were the boss fights
Yeah it started as a Kickstarter, reached its goal in a couple of hours now Sony is funding the rest.

Rage was very meh for me but fair enough.
 
Yeah it started as a Kickstarter, reached its goal in a couple of hours now Sony is funding the rest.

Rage was very meh for me but fair enough.
Also RAGE was in Breaking Bad ;)

Playing Fallout NV right now & went straight into the DLC, I'm level 14 and too overpowered for most quests :eek:
 
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