Non-AFL chat thread

[maddog37]

I've been to the last stage in Paris and it is quite the event

Lucky man. Bucket list for me.

 

[Mattdougie]

Lucky man. Bucket list for me.

Spent two years on Europe was the best time of my life

Only came home because my mother was ill or I think I would have stayed much longer.

 

[TMoney22]

George Hill would be a good fit for T'Wolves.

Like the move for Utah, Rubio is underrated. Will it be enough to get Hayward to re-sign?

Ingles resigning will mean more to Hayward than Rubio. im much more confident now than a few weeks ago. plus jazz will be making one more decent move.

i'll miss g.hill, but not his injuries

 

[BEaston]

I still watch the Tour but the other races are better these days.

Liggett had been a horrible commentator for years, so far past it. Glad they've paired up McEwen with Keenen. It's a good match; Keenen's peleton knowledge is off the hook and McEwen is pretty good on the tactical side of things.

 

[Fossie 32]

Go Kokki

 

[Scragadder]

I still watch the Tour but the other races are better these days.

Liggett had been a horrible commentator for years, so far past it. Glad they've paired up McEwen with Keenen. It's a good match; Keenen's peleton knowledge is off the hook and McEwen is pretty good on the tactical side of things.

I don't mind Liggett but don't mind the new crew tho. All my facebork friends seem to hate McEwen and Keenen for some reason. Either way I'm watching tdf for an imaginary holiday, and Gabriel Gaté.

Currently holding out for mountain stages on the weekend. Monday productivity looking grim atm

 

[Hard Ball Get]

Fair night of drama last night. Don't recall such a big name kicked off the tour for a non drug related incident .

 

[random__hero]

Hayward gone, not surprised but the way it came out was crap.
Word leaked out he'd signed with the C's, then his management try & walk it back saying a decision hasn't been made (when it already had) then some crap ghost written article appears on the players tribune site.

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

When I die I wanna be buried by NSW Blues so they can let me down one final time.

 

[random__hero]

Just flicked over to the rugby game on the GC between the titans & sharks, those players will need life jackets soon.

The rain atm and water on the ground is unbelievable

 

[Scragadder]

Just flicked over to the rugby game on the GC between the titans & sharks, those players will need life jackets soon.

The rain atm and water on the ground is unbelievable

On balance that should give Sharks the advantage... [emoji33] should

 

[Werewolf]

For those who don't know already, I've recently been appointed to moderating positions on the CMP and Science boards

If you're into that kind of stuff - ghosts/aliens/illuminati or physics/chemistry/biology - pop in and have your say

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

If you're into that kind of stuff - ghosts/aliens/illuminati or physics/chemistry/biology - pop in and have your say

AHEM

 

[Werewolf]

AHEM

Psychology aint a science

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Psychology aint a science

You're not a science!

 

[hutchy31]

Getting drawn into the mechanics of who would beat who in a match and where Serena would be ranked in the Men's game isn't the point.

Men's tennis exists on its own.
Women's tennis exists on its own.

Therefore the achievements and merits of their participants should be measured on the own terms of each sport.

North Melbourne as a football club doesn't exist independently from the AFL, they don't play under a different set of rules with a different physical biology.

I suspect I'm ramming my overly politically correct head into a metaphorical brick wall by continuing to talk about this but why do we need to say 'the greatest female x'. We are all well aware of Serena Williams gender surely? We know form watching her for nearly two decades she is a female who competes against other females. The gender distinction is only made as a way of re-enforcing male superiority, its shorthand for saying 'but if she ever did face a man she'd get crushed straights'.

Haven't read this thread for a while and just coming to this conversation.

I'm of broadly the same persuasion (liberal/leftie, overly politically correct), but I think the problem here is that a lot of interviewers and commentators are starting to ask if Serena can be considered one of the greatest athletes of all time and people immediately think about Ali, Bolt, Jordan, Federer, Pele, Bradman or whoever. We shouldn't look at it through that prism but that's what happens, and then you start to think "well, could she beat the best male tennis players?" and the answer is a resounding no.

Personally I think she can be considered one of the best athletes ever for the reasons you mention above, but I absolutely understand why people react negatively to that suggestion. I think the best way is to flip it on its head and say "well, is a journeyman male tennis player who never broke into the top 100 in the world a better athlete than Serena Williams?" - to which I would guess most people would say no. But if he would beat her in a straight-up match then why is that the case?

FWIW I think she could beat a number of players in the top 700 or whatever McEnroe says, but by her own admission if she played a top men's player it would be 6-0, 6-0 (I think she was referring to Murray when that was brought up in an interview). The problem is how the conversation is framed. I would always look at dominance in their sport, so for me Bolt is higher than Ali, and probably even the others I've mentioned. And that's where Serena comes in, because her record is almost peerless in her sport.

 

[Werewolf]

You're not a science!

I'm an immortal spirit trapped inside a mortal prison of flesh and blood

 

[jdz101]

Haven't read this thread for a while and just coming to this conversation.

I'm of broadly the same persuasion (liberal/leftie, overly politically correct), but I think the problem here is that a lot of interviewers and commentators are starting to ask if Serena can be considered one of the greatest athletes of all time and people immediately think about Ali, Bolt, Jordan, Federer, Pele, Bradman or whoever. We shouldn't look at it through that prism but that's what happens, and then you start to think "well, could she beat the best male tennis players?" and the answer is a resounding no.

Personally I think she can be considered one of the best athletes ever for the reasons you mention above, but I absolutely understand why people react negatively to that suggestion. I think the best way is to flip it on its head and say "well, is a journeyman male tennis player who never broke into the top 100 in the world a better athlete than Serena Williams?" - to which I would guess most people would say no. But if he would beat her in a straight-up match then why is that the case?

FWIW I think she could beat a number of players in the top 700 or whatever McEnroe says, but by her own admission if she played a top men's player it would be 6-0, 6-0 (I think she was referring to Murray when that was brought up in an interview). The problem is how the conversation is framed. I would always look at dominance in their sport, so for me Bolt is higher than Ali, and probably even the others I've mentioned. And that's where Serena comes in, because her record is almost peerless in her sport.

The same sort of thing annoys me about people calling Mayweather or Mcgregor two of the best fighters ever. I understand the pound for pound point and understand there are weight classes, but people need to realize these are essentially 65kg short people fighting each other. If they fought someone like Ali or Tyson they would get absolutely murdered.

It's the same with comparing Jordan and Lebron and Russell and Bird. They all played different eras so you can't really compare them.

 

[Chicago1]

I know that it may seem unkind(to us), but I was wondering if our Bulldogs mascot was based on Steve Price's face? I noticed the resemblance this morning while watching some Ch10 show that he was on.

 

[Fossie 32]

I know that it may seem unkind(to us), but I was wondering if our Bulldogs mascot was based on Steve Price's face? I noticed the resemblance this morning while watching some Ch10 show that he was on.

Steve's ears are bigger

 

[Freshwater]

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Me. Queens of the Stone Age. Festival Hall. Tonight.

 

[random__hero]

Me. Queens of the Stone Age. Festival Hall. Tonight.

Was a great night

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Was a great night

Were you the guy in the middle of the floor that Josh Homme spent 5 minutes ripping the piss out of?

T'was a great show.

 

[random__hero]

Were you the guy in the middle of the floor that Josh Homme spent 5 minutes ripping the piss out of?

T'was a great show.

Haha, I was on the floor but it wasn't me.

Ecca vandal weren't too bad either