Opinion Non-Crows AFL 12: It's the confectionery with 1000 uses

[FR0GGY]

The more I see and hear of Macrae the less I like him

There’s something a bit odd about him

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

i like west coast so it doesn’t bother me if they get help, would also get the Vic’s up in arms which is always good.

They have been given buggar all assistance compared to Roos, who have wasted much of it any way.

 

[spenze]

I’m surprised he played so few games at GCS - what was it 35 or so in 5 years??

Yeah 39 games for over 2 million bucks, pretty good deal Rory

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The more I see and hear of Macrae the less I like him

Why?

I'm the opposite.

 

[spenze]

i like west coast so it doesn’t bother me if they get help, would also get the Vic’s up in arms which is always good.

I dunno, the trade down to help Port get JHF, the inflexibility to trade pick one for some extra picks, then the stupid trade down last year and selecting Hawthorns first instead of Carltons basically spending a first rounder on Liam Baker.

Complete shitshow

 

[FR0GGY]

I dunno, the trade down to help Port get JHF, the inflexibility to trade pick one for some extra picks, then the stupid trade down last year and selecting Hawthorns first instead of Carltons basically spending a first rounder on Liam Baker.

Complete shitshow

Oh I know they’ve done it to themselves.
Still doesn’t bother me.
Kangas on the other hand…

 

[spenze]

Oh I know they’ve done it to themselves.
Still doesn’t bother me.
Kangas on the other hand…

Don't get me started about the ****ing Kangas.

A side so poor that Tasmanians would rather bankrupt the state with a new stadium than have those arseholes move down there on a permanent basis

 

[PeterSalt]

Don't get me started about the ****ing Kangas.

A side so poor that Tasmanians would rather bankrupt the state with a new stadium than have those arseholes move down there on a permanent basis

Always thought they should've gone to Gold Coast - it made sense to everyone except North

 

[1970crow]

And they will be massively helped by the AFL stupidly considering picks outside of the first 18 picks as "first rounders".

There have been 57 first rounders in 23/24.

‘1st round’ has become meaningless. It used to be a player selected 1-18, now it goes half way through the second round.

 

[1970crow]

Ha ha ha - yup.

The only time I believe a line like that is when a team actively trades up to secure the guy they can't believe was still there - exactly what we did with Curtin.

Carlton with Stocker.

 

[1970crow]

Even then, it rarely seems to work out that well in the end. Consider the likes of Liam Stocker, or even Josh Sinn. Curtin is the outlier scenario where it seems to have worked out (so far at least!)

It would be nice if Taylor can solidify a spot and become another example.

And especially whoever the Roos swapped this year’s first to get. No idea his name, but they’d want him to come good.

 

[1970crow]

I don’t think he will go, I doubt anyone will pay what he wants

There’s something concerning about a player not having enough respect to just lie. Where’s the ‘up and coming’, ‘exciting list’, ‘professional club’ rubbish. Instead it seems the kid puts a price on his head and that’s all there is to it.

 

[Cromulant]

There’s something a bit odd about him

Glenelg bloke.... that would do it.

 

[BRL121]

Why?

I'm the opposite.

What? The less you see of him the more you like him?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What? The less you see of him the more you like him?

Yeah, that too lol.

 

[spenze]

Always thought they should've gone to Gold Coast - it made sense to everyone except North

Yeah that was just stupid that they weren't strongarmed into that, since then they have been a competition laughing stock, all for their imaginary Lamb Shank Bone spirit

 

[WeeBlake]

Why?

I'm the opposite.

The nice guy thing seems a bit fake

 

[cmndstab]

And especially whoever the Roos swapped this year’s first to get. No idea his name, but they’d want him to come good.

That trade was unfathomable. North should have been investigated for that, and either found guilty of corruption, or else de-registered and sold off for parts.

They gave up their 2025 first round pick (currently pick 2) to get pick 27, and Richmond's 2025 second round pick which will be somewhere out in the mid 20s or later by the time academy picks are taken.

Pick 2 for a couple of picks in the mid 20s... unthinkable. That wouldn't even be enough to match an academy bid at pick 2.

They took Matt Whitlock with pick 27, I guess we'll see who they get this year. One game so far this year, but he is a 197cm swingman. They can't all be Dan Curtin and play multiple games in their first year, I guess. Meanwhile Richmond look likely to end up with picks 2 and 3 this year.

 

[50BC]

I'm aware of that. The question is whether it should count as a 2022 draft pick (the year they traded), or 2021 (the year he was originally drafted). My contention is that it should be the latter. I am unsure as to what the AFL's policy is on this matter.

Well I'm still referring to the last time I saw the AFL issue anything like clarity on the 2 in 4 rule but that was way back in 2016 when they first introduced future trading. Plenty of time since then for them to have changed their mind I guess.

 

[Vader]

Just by logic. If it was 2021, Port would have had only one 1st round pick in the 2022-2025 period. They got the exemption to trade their 2025 1st because 2022 was deemed a first rounder. I think.

Hence why I'm suggesting that they need to trade in a 1st round pick this year, just to keep the AFL happy - before they can even think about trading for NWM.

 

[Vader]

Counts towards 2022.

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This doesn't confirm anything, other than the fact that they were given an exemption, allowing them to count Horne towards their 1st round picks - which we knew anyway.

It could very well be argued that they have 2x 1st round picks from 2021 - Sinn & JHF, which allowed them to meet the requirement in 2024 (when they traded out their 1st round pick for Luko/Atkins). The 2021 draftees now fall out of the 4-year window, so it's only 2022-2025 that matters this year.

 

[Mostyn]

That trade was unfathomable. North should have been investigated for that, and either found guilty of corruption, or else de-registered and sold off for parts.

They gave up their 2025 first round pick (currently pick 2) to get pick 27, and Richmond's 2025 second round pick which will be somewhere out in the mid 20s or later by the time academy picks are taken.

Pick 2 for a couple of picks in the mid 20s... unthinkable. That wouldn't even be enough to match an academy bid at pick 2.

They took Matt Whitlock with pick 27, I guess we'll see who they get this year. One game so far this year, but he is a 197cm swingman. They can't all be Dan Curtin and play multiple games in their first year, I guess. Meanwhile Richmond look likely to end up with picks 2 and 3 this year.

You're also forgetting they HAD pick 25, but traded it away for Caleb Daniel (!).

Their F1 was supposedly being offered to clubs from the mid first round onwards, and Richmond was the first to say yes.

 

[Vader]

Well I'm still referring to the last time I saw the AFL issue anything like clarity on the 2 in 4 rule but that was way back in 2016 when they first introduced future trading. Plenty of time since then for them to have changed their mind I guess.

We know that clubs are required to use 2x 1st round picks in the 4-year rolling window, and that exceptions are granted for 1st round picks (players) who are traded in (e.g. JHF).

What we don't know is how the AFL counts those players - are they counted against the year that they were originally drafted (JHF - 2021) or the year that the club traded for them (JHF - 2022)?

In 2024, JHF would have counted towards Port's quota regardless of whether he was counted against 2021 or 2022. However, 2021 now falls out of the rolling window, so now it matters.

 

[Mostyn]

This doesn't confirm anything, other than the fact that Horne counts towards their 1st round picks - which we knew anyway.

It could very well be argued that they have 2x 1st round picks from 2021 - Sinn & JHF, which allowed them to meet the requirement in 2024 (when they traded out their 1st round pick for Luko/Atkins). The 2021 draftees now fall out of the 4-year window, so it's only 2022-2025 that matters this year.

Who's arguing that? Who would care enough to raise it?

The AFL wants to see player movement. Port Adelaide certainly would rather a trade happen.

If there's an interpretation that helps make something happen, they'll go with that. It's not like other clubs can appeal.

 

[Vader]

Who's arguing that? Who would care enough to raise it?

The AFL wants to see player movement. Port Adelaide certainly would rather a trade happen.

If there's an interpretation that helps make something happen, they'll go with that. It's not like other clubs can appeal.

The AFL listened when Rucci piped up about Ross Gibbs' F/S eligibility. Why couldn't someone query Port's situation, given the current ambiguity with how JHF is counted?

It's not as if Port are one of the AFL's love children. They couldn't give a rats whether Port are harmed or not with their decision. We, on the other hand, care very greatly that significant harm comes to the Port Adelaide Football Club.