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Opinion Non-Crows AFL 12: It's the confectionery with 1000 uses

Do you think the Tasmanian AFL team will ever happen?

  • Yes and will be on schedule

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Christ, it had nothing to do with convenience and everything to do with saving lives. I agree with you how awful it was. But they did the best they could under the extreme circumstances they found themselves in, with absolutely NO playbook on how to go about this.
That’s kinda my point. If you were residing in Australia, sure, it’s about your safety. If you were an Australian that was in a foreign country, with no healthcare and no support, your life wasn’t as important. Couldn’t risk bringing Covid into Australia so let them fight it out in some other country that actually had no responsibility for them. Aren’t we all Australian and deserve safety, support and ability to be in Australia to be with family?

It is what it is. The world has moved on. But that doesn’t make the way everyone handled it right. Not at the time and not in hindsight.
 
I don’t, and never did have a problem with people undertaking it by choice.

I had a problem with mandates. I had a problem with lockdowns and school closures, among other things.

Which, as the inquiry uncovered, are all majority opinions.

You didn't have a problem in that you don't think they should have been banned, or in that you respect people that made that choice?
 
You didn't have a problem in that you don't think they should have been banned, or in that you respect people that made that choice?

Don’t think I’ve ever said they should be banned.

I think there’s plenty of evidence of harms and injuries that are statistically significant enough that they should no longer be administered (and that’s already happened with children).

But I don’t have an issue with anyone who took them, or chooses to continue to take them. I certainly think it’s silly to keep taking them, but that’s your choice.

I certainly have a big issue with people who believe you should’ve lost your job for not taking it.
 

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Don’t think I’ve ever said they should be banned.

I think there’s plenty of evidence of harms and injuries that are statistically significant enough that they should no longer be administered (and that’s already happened with children).

But I don’t have an issue with anyone who took them, or chooses to continue to take them. I certainly think it’s silly to keep taking them, but that’s your choice.

I certainly have a big issue with people who believe you should’ve lost your job for not taking it.

I wasn't accusing you of saying that, but you have said enough over time to make clear that your view is not particularly favourable of people who made that decision. I also do not think that you can extract from the PM Department survey mass support for the full depth of your view on the subject.

We're from very different schools of thought, I think, but funnily enough I also always opposed workplace mandates at large. The question becomes more difficult in particular industries with elevated risk profiles. Industry based vaccine mandates pre-date covid.
 
That’s kinda my point. If you were residing in Australia, sure, it’s about your safety. If you were an Australian that was in a foreign country, with no healthcare and no support, your life wasn’t as important. Couldn’t risk bringing Covid into Australia so let them fight it out in some other country that actually had no responsibility for them. Aren’t we all Australian and deserve safety, support and ability to be in Australia to be with family?

It is what it is. The world has moved on. But that doesn’t make the way everyone handled it right. Not at the time and not in hindsight.
It wasn't that it wasn't important - it was the greater good situation (what did Spock say? The needs of the many outweighed the needs of the few). They brought you home, but you had to quarantine. Now that could have been handled SO much better than it was, but like I said, they didn't have a handbook. I would hope that out of the pandemic we learned a lot of stuff and now HAVE a handbook to put measures in place to protect as many people as we can when the situation occurs again (because we all know it will). Don't forget, we weren't the only country that shutdown, but we were one of the few that could protect our entire country thanks to being an isolated island.
 
It wasn't that it wasn't important - it was the greater good situation (what did Spock say? The needs of the many outweighed the needs of the few). They brought you home, but you had to quarantine. Now that could have been handled SO much better than it was, but like I said, they didn't have a handbook. I would hope that out of the pandemic we learned a lot of stuff and now HAVE a handbook to put measures in place to protect as many people as we can when the situation occurs again (because we all know it will). Don't forget, we weren't the only country that shutdown, but we were one of the few that could protect our entire country thanks to being an isolated island.

Undiluted utilitarianism isn't a very good basis for public policy though
 
I wasn't accusing you of saying that, but you have said enough over time to make clear that your view is not particularly favourable of people who made that decision.

It’s actually the opposite, I’ve defended on here people who were strongarmed into making that decision in order to keep their livelihood.

Now that there isn’t any coercion, we’re hearing constantly from authorities how much of a struggle it is to get these things into people’s arms, despite the health advice.

That should tell you something about the trust levels.
 
It’s actually the opposite, I’ve defended on here people who were strongarmed into making that decision in order to keep their livelihood.

Now that there isn’t any coercion, we’re hearing constantly from health authorities how much of a struggle it is to get these things into people’s arms.

That should tell you something.

Defending people who you think had their will removed is not the same as respecting people who made the decision though.

What do you think it tells us?
 
Defending people who you think had their will removed is not the same as respecting people who made the decision though.

As I said a few posts north, I didn’t lose any respect for people who chose to take it on the basis of medical advice.

Plenty of people on here who can verify that.

I lost respect for people who supported mandates and cheered on people losing their jobs.

What do you think it tells us?

Added an edit: tells you the trust is gone.
 
It wasn't that it wasn't important - it was the greater good situation (what did Spock say? The needs of the many outweighed the needs of the few). They brought you home, but you had to quarantine. Now that could have been handled SO much better than it was, but like I said, they didn't have a handbook. I would hope that out of the pandemic we learned a lot of stuff and now HAVE a handbook to put measures in place to protect as many people as we can when the situation occurs again (because we all know it will). Don't forget, we weren't the only country that shutdown, but we were one of the few that could protect our entire country thanks to being an isolated island.
I knew people who had moved to Scotland to work there in a uni as researchers just before Covid hit. They were abandoned by our government. It took them several years to be able to return, and that at a cost of twenty grand per person. On top of that, they had to pay for several weeks of quarantine in Darwin and another three weeks when they got back to Adelaide.
The treatment of poor bastards that happened to be OS when it hit was appalling.
 

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It did stop Chemists being ram-raided and ransacked for large quantities of Sudafed though.
They have now moved on to burning down shops selling cigarettes...
 
The science behind social distancing is pretty easy to understand, and widely agreed to by the vast majority of macrobiologists.

But I agree. The next time a massive contagious event hits, there won't be the unanimous approach that happened during COVID.

We'll see what happens then, I guess.

The problem with taking action that prevents catastrophe is - how do you know it would have been catastrophic? Maybe it wouldn't have happened anyway.

I feel many people feel that way about COVID.
There is plenty of scientific evidence that social distancing, particularly pre-vaccine, saved lives in large retrospective studies on the matter. The science was of course uncertain at the time with a new calamitous disease but it was logical to implement these measures to contain it then, and has since been proven to be effective in saving countless lives.

Those who say the measures were ineffective and then say that public opinion now says it was wrong won't concede that opinions of people with no medical knowledge is the least scientific measure of all.
 
Max King out for the season. Needs further surgery on his knee
 

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Max King out for the season. Needs further surgery on his knee
Has had really shit luck with injuries, but he was the one who was injured as a junior too i think.

Imo, Ben is more reliable kick for goal & ended up the better player, even though rated behind his brother.

Hopefully Max gets more luck going forward.
 

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