MFC Fans Only Non-Dees AFL discussion - 2015

[PerfectFooty]

Think the second half of the year will be interesting. We've played 11 straight solid quarters of footy, and apart from brain fades as a side (read: the last 40 seconds, the Collingwood first quarter) we have really tightened up. Feel like we can give almost anyone a shake after yesterday. Games against St Kilda, Essendon, Brisbane, the Bulldogs, Collingwood (we were right with them for a lot of that game), GWS and North should all be considered winnable...hell, if you shut down West Coast's structures you could give them a fair old shake too, especially since I think their midfield pressure is massively masking their defensive deficiencies.

Should be interesting, hopefully we won't fade away in the later rounds like we did last year

 

[d33my]

if you shut down West Coast's structures you could give them a fair old shake too, especially since I think their midfield pressure is massively masking their defensive deficiencies.

I don't think we'll beat them but this is pretty spot on. West Coast amass numbers around the ball and are winning it from clearances. If we can break even there (or even be slightly behind) and then play some Slingshot Footy™ out of half-back our forwards can run over their defence.

The problem will be stopping them from scoring. Earlier in the year I would have actually been more confident of that, but our defence has been down recently. Dunn to Kennedy, Jetta or Garland to LeCras and TMac on whoever they're resting forward.

 

[Topkent]

I don't think we'll beat them but this is pretty spot on. West Coast amass numbers around the ball and are winning it from clearances. If we can break even there (or even be slightly behind) and then play some Slingshot Footy™ out of half-back our forwards can run over their defence.

The problem will be stopping them from scoring. Earlier in the year I would have actually been more confident of that, but our defence has been down recently. Dunn to Kennedy, Jetta or Garland to LeCras and TMac on whoever they're resting forward.

Im not sure our defence is down apart from McDonald, I think Roos has opened us up to be more attacking which is exposing our defence a little more
Geelong had 15 or something more inside 50s on the weekend yet we were infront most of the match and looked far more dangerous in our half

Hogan might have a field day on there defenders if we can isolate him 1 on 1, I think Roos needs to stick with the man on man and not allow a loose for the other side... Ill back our defenders 1 on 1 most of the time and same with our forwards... then itll become a battle of the midfields to see who can get the most supply and Id like to think we match up ok against the Weagles

 

[Bluelegs]

I don't understand why so many are up in arms about Gibbs. Two weeks for that is the standard its been for years, since Trengove (who got three after contesting).

 

[Djcjdees]

BT over hyped him tonight. he's good, but BT has obviously injected some hype into Bulldog supporters

Wow. That thread is pretty much the exact reason I never venture on the MB. You end up debating rubbish with 13 year olds.

 

[Djcjdees]

Think the second half of the year will be interesting. We've played 11 straight solid quarters of footy, and apart from brain fades as a side (read: the last 40 seconds, the Collingwood first quarter) we have really tightened up. Feel like we can give almost anyone a shake after yesterday. Games against St Kilda, Essendon, Brisbane, the Bulldogs, Collingwood (we were right with them for a lot of that game), GWS and North should all be considered winnable...hell, if you shut down West Coast's structures you could give them a fair old shake too, especially since I think their midfield pressure is massively masking their defensive deficiencies.

Yep. I said that in the review thread of the Geelong game.

What we have done well this year has been starting to implement Roos' game plan. As in, this is the first time we've properly seen it I reckon. It's all about blocking the exits. You can tell when it's working well when the other team has no run and looks really stilted when they have the ball and leads to the commentators saying stuff like 'I can't remember the last time <insert team who is usually better than melbourne> has played this POORLY!' IT has nothing to do with the other side really and is all to do with how we have structured up.

The problem has been trying to maintain this for 4 quarters, and also doing it effectively against the best sides in the comp.

I think it is also why a few games we have played have sorta reminded me of other games we have played this season. Ie. I remember saying during the Port game, that it felt like the GW$ game. Same thing in Adelaide, and against the Dogs. I think the Pies was a bit different but certainly against Geelong, we nailed the game plan. All day. You count the number of times they carved us up with run and carry through the middle on one hand. I'd love to see the scoring breakdown. Does anyone know where I can find these stats? It would be great to see how many of Geelong's goals came from free kicks, turnovers and stoppages versus a clear break away or chain of running play.

Also, the key to us at the moment is not letting the opposition team get a run on. Sounds obvious, but that is where we have been really found out and punished this year. Mind you, that has mostly been against better sides, and after they have broken through our press. We never let Geelong get any sort of a run on - i think the most consecutive goals they had was 2?

It definitely reminds me of the early days of Roos at Sydney. They would play this highly congested stuff and make other teams look slow and stop-start, but then when it all fell down, they'd let a run on of goals.

Anyway, I think WCE have yet to beat anyone of note. The 'best' team they have beaten was Richmond, who were coming off a bye (as both WC and us will be) and were pox. It's up in Darwin where we play ok. I dunno, I just think we are at least a chance. Probably won't win, but there are certainly a few unknowns going into it I reckon. Obviously the ruck will be a big battle. Need to try and nullify the influence of the 'All Australian****'. A lot of that comes down to shutting down Priddis. They don't really have another extractor like him. If Viney (?) can do to Priddis what he did to Selwood, we are a massive shot. Then you maybe give Vince his run-with/burn the other way role on one of Shuey/Gaff/Masten and all of a sudden their midfield is nowhere near as good as what it has been. Then we still have Jones and Brayshaw (!!!!) against the other two.

Sounds so simple

 

[Topkent]

I don't understand why so many are up in arms about Gibbs. Two weeks for that is the standard its been for years, since Trengove (who got three after contesting).

Because Gibbs shouldnt have been suspended for that

 

[Cannon82]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-23/rance-right-to-be-penalised-for-throw-at-ump

Umpires' boss rolls out "won't somebody please think of the children!" excuse for petulant umpiring.

 

[d33my]

Im not sure our defence is down apart from McDonald, I think Roos has opened us up to be more attacking which is exposing our defence a little more
Geelong had 15 or something more inside 50s on the weekend yet we were infront most of the match and looked far more dangerous in our half

Good point, I think Dunn for example was superb on the weekend. And to think that was without Garland and Grimes (depending on your point of view) as well. And Salem. Shit, this win keeps on giving.

 

[Benwah83]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-23/rance-right-to-be-penalised-for-throw-at-ump

Umpires' boss rolls out "won't somebody please think of the children!" excuse for petulant umpiring.

Aww, the poor diddums (ಥ﹏ಥ)

 

[Bluelegs]

Because Gibbs shouldnt have been suspended for that

But this has been the trend since 2011. This debate has been said and done for years. If you sling and the player gets hurt you cop the whack.

On a side note I actually love listening to Eddie commentate Carlton games. The underlying hatred in his calls is hilarious.

 

[Topkent]

But this has been the trend since 2011. This debate has been said and done for years. If you sling and the player gets hurt you cop the whack.

On a side note I actually love listening to Eddie commentate Carlton games. The underlying hatred in his calls is hilarious.

The decision wasn't surprising , but I fundamentally disagree with it , from the highlights there is a tackle where Ollie wines gets slammed into the ground head first but he gets up ... Why wasn't there weeks for that?

 

[jhong]

The decision wasn't surprising , but I fundamentally disagree with it , from the highlights there is a tackle where Ollie wines gets slammed into the ground head first but he gets up ... Why wasn't there weeks for that?

Think you may have answered your own question .

 

[Crimson Azure]

Kerr's interview was cringeworthy.

I assume it was to help solidify both his job and also his freedom, but it was either his pride or intellect that got in the way as he couldn't have come across as less contrite.

Apparently he he's never had a problem with anything. Only when he's on the booze, but booze isn't a problem.

 

[dee_mac]

Kerr's interview was cringeworthy.

I assume it was to help solidify both his job and also his freedom, but it was either his pride or intellect that got in the way as he couldn't have come across as less contrite.

Apparently he he's never had a problem with anything. Only when he's on the booze, but booze isn't a problem.

Still seems to be in denial.

It's not that he drinks too much. It's just that the weekends go for too long when you start on Thursday and finish on Tuesday

 

[deeco]

Still seems to be in denial.

It's not that he drinks too much. It's just that the weekends go for too long when you start on Thursday and finish on Tuesday

and he never had a drink on a Monday or a Tuesday

 

[Crimson Azure]

and he never had a drink on a Monday or a Tuesday

That he remembers.

 

[deeco]

That he remembers.

No no, he never started drinking on a Monday or a Tuesday. He just had long weekends. Weekends that started on Thursday and ended on Tuesday...

****ing idiot. (Him not you)

 

[Crimson Azure]

No no, he never started drinking on a Monday or a Tuesday. He just had long weekends. Weekends that started on Thursday and ended on Tuesday...

******* idiot. (Him not you)

You just don't know me yet.

 

[Cannon82]

You just don't know me yet.

 

[Djcjdees]

Think you may have answered your own question .

Yeah but as I've said before, that is why people fundamentally (and correctly) disagree with the rules as they stand. They apply differently to different people. Wines has a hard head so you can sling tackle him without a problem, Dangerfield has a glass jaw so you will get weeks for doing exactly the same action to him. Gray was cleared of concussion also, so what rule has Gibbs broken? Tackling too hard?

 

[jhong]

Yeah but as I've said before, that is why people fundamentally (and correctly) disagree with the rules as they stand. They apply differently to different people. Wines has a hard head so you can sling tackle him without a problem, Dangerfield has a glass jaw so you will get weeks for doing exactly the same action to him. Gray was cleared of concussion also, so what rule has Gibbs broken? Tackling too hard?

I think it is a dumb rule for the reasons you have outlined . If anything he was guilty of being maybe a tad too eager to drive gray into the ground head first , but the AFL snookered themselves when they gave 2 to trenners . If it was me ,maybe a fine and warning ....

 

[Cannon82]

so what rule has Gibbs broken? Tackling too hard?

Tackling fragile / special people too hard. The player who slings and hurts Selwood, Pendlebury, etc may as well book themselves in to see a career advisor because they'll probably get suspended for years.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-23/rance-right-to-be-penalised-for-throw-at-ump

Umpires' boss rolls out "won't somebody please think of the children!" excuse for petulant umpiring.

Probably the worst free kick given I've ever seen. Other shockers or ones of conjecture can be forgiven because of interpretations or a player just sucking an umpire in. Im yet to even see a deliberate out of bounds come close to this.

Throws the ball straight back to the ump with a bloke lying on top of him too hard. What a complete load of shit.

 

[Bluelegs]

Yeah but as I've said before, that is why people fundamentally (and correctly) disagree with the rules as they stand. They apply differently to different people. Wines has a hard head so you can sling tackle him without a problem, Dangerfield has a glass jaw so you will get weeks for doing exactly the same action to him. Gray was cleared of concussion also, so what rule has Gibbs broken? Tackling too hard?

It's like the bump rule. If you choose to do it, you run the risk of being suspended. It's a deterrent.