Oppo Camp Non-Eagles Discussion

[Chief]

Continued in Part 2:

Oppo Camp - Non-Eagles Discussion

Who gives a **** about finals anyway So overrated It’s all about the draft these days

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[FKASC]

How is it that every other player in the entire game can attempt smothers and not concuss a player and yet maynard can?

And it just happens to be the faux tough guy that was trying to rough everyone up prior to that happening. Absolute coincidence I’m sure

There wasn’t much in it but no doubt in my mind that Maynard would not have wanted to avoid contact there

 

[Woutizmoo]

Maynard incident didn't look that bad... is it possible that Brayshaw is way more susceptible to concussion than everyone else?
Should Maynard have weighed this up (ala Natanui tackling a guy 30 kilos lighter than him) before he chose to bump him in the head?

Demons will absolutely be kicking themselves after that last night... some of those shots for goal were just awful. Killed off what could have been a mega finish. Petracca beast mode 2nd half was entertaining

 

[ziad]

Maynard incident didn't look that bad... is it possible that Brayshaw is way more susceptible to concussion than everyone else?
Should Maynard have weighed this up (ala Natanui tackling a guy 30 kilos lighter than him) before he chose to bump him in the head?

Demons will absolutely be kicking themselves after that last night... some of those shots for goal were just awful. Killed off what could have been a mega finish. Petracca beast mode 2nd half was entertaining

Thats what Gaff said. They drop like flys.

 

[Dazzler9]

Just an unlucky collision. These things happen in footy sometimes. Maynard was attempting a smother and had no intent whatsoever to impact Brayshaw.

The Van Rooyen one however, he raised his elbow and went at the man. Clear culpability.

 

[Keys]

I’m honestly not sure with Maynard

He did turn his shoulder when he may have been better to have opened his arms out to soften the blow somehow. Did he have time midair to consider his options or does he lose any benefit of the doubt by choosing to leave the ground?

Am I marking him more harshly because it’s Maynard? Pretty sure I am and think if it was an Eagles player I’d likely be defending his action

For once I have some sympathy for Christian as it’s a genuinely difficult decision.

 

[tigger_ferret]

I’m honestly not sure with Maynard

He did turn his shoulder when he may have been better to have opened his arms out to soften the blow somehow. Did he have time midair to consider his options or does he lose any benefit of the doubt by choosing to leave the ground?

Am I marking him more harshly because it’s Maynard? Pretty sure I am and think if it was an Eagles player I’d likely be defending his action

For once I have some sympathy for Christian as it’s a genuinely difficult decision.

The only reason Maynard has any case to answer is because the tribunal penalises the outcome, over the intent (and Brayshaw has a glass jar)

As you say if that was an Eagles player being looked at I would be furious.

 

[WCE_phil]

I’m honestly not sure with Maynard

He did turn his shoulder when he may have been better to have opened his arms out to soften the blow somehow. Did he have time midair to consider his options or does he lose any benefit of the doubt by choosing to leave the ground?

Am I marking him more harshly because it’s Maynard? Pretty sure I am and think if it was an Eagles player I’d likely be defending his action

For once I have some sympathy for Christian as it’s a genuinely difficult decision.

The first action is going hard and definitely a football action, it was a legitimate spoiling attempt and he was then in the air. A player should have the option to protect themselves as best as possible particularly coming down from the air. Turning your shoulder and bracing are perfectly fine in my book.

He opens his arms and Brayshaw carries forward and he could do a collar bone, AC joint or dislocate a shoulder.

If I were a collingwood supporter and he got suspended i'd be furious. It's hard to make a judgement as Maynard acts like an absolute prick and is a faux tough guy.

It was a few years back but when hurn turned side on and went low to gather the ball only to have the opponent run head first, get to the ball and then smash into his hip it was again just protecting yourself and attacking the footy in the right manner. From memory hurn got suspended for 1 week.

 

[Cuzz09]

I felt like he aimed his shoulder for his head.

Hope he gets 3

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[UseR2006]

I’m honestly not sure with Maynard

He did turn his shoulder when he may have been better to have opened his arms out to soften the blow somehow. Did he have time midair to consider his options or does he lose any benefit of the doubt by choosing to leave the ground?

Am I marking him more harshly because it’s Maynard? Pretty sure I am and think if it was an Eagles player I’d likely be defending his action

For once I have some sympathy for Christian as it’s a genuinely difficult decision.

It's been said often with bumps throughout the year.. if you leave the ground and collect the head your in trouble.

He intentionally left the ground.

Whether he meant to hit him in the head or not is irrelevant.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I felt like he aimed his shoulder for his head.

Hope he gets 3

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Hope he gets a week, appeals, and it's increased to two.

 

[Bender_]

The first action is going hard and definitely a football action, it was a legitimate spoiling attempt and he was then in the air. A player should have the option to protect themselves as best as possible particularly coming down from the air. Turning your shoulder and bracing are perfectly fine in my book.

He opens his arms and Brayshaw carries forward and he could do a collar bone, AC joint or dislocate a shoulder.

If I were a collingwood supporter and he got suspended i'd be furious. It's hard to make a judgement as Maynard acts like an absolute prick and is a faux tough guy.

It was a few years back but when hurn turned side on and went low to gather the ball only to have the opponent run head first, get to the ball and then smash into his hip it was again just protecting yourself and attacking the footy in the right manner. From memory hurn got suspended for 1 week.

No Hurn got nothing. It was a rare case of common sense prevailing for the MRO.

 

[RookiePick]

It's been said often with bumps throughout the year.. if you leave the ground and collect the head your in trouble.

He intentionally left the ground.

Whether he meant to hit him in the head or not is irrelevant.

Pretty much this. Maynard eliminated every possible outcome bar having a dangerous collision with the decisions he made on how he was going to contest the kick. He then left the ground and caught Brayshaw high. He's failed his duty of care completely and concussed a bloke.

Very likely to get a week, that Collingwood will contest and he'll be free to play in the prelim because that's how the VaFL rolls.

We would be ropable if one of ours was smashed in the head and out of the game when the footy is airborne 20m down the field at the time of impact.

 

[Lia]

No ban, knowing him he will flop in later finals which would be ideal

 

[Dazzler9]

It's been said often with bumps throughout the year.. if you leave the ground and collect the head your in trouble.

He intentionally left the ground.

Whether he meant to hit him in the head or not is irrelevant.

He didn't leave the ground in the act of laying a bump though. He left the ground in an attempt to spoil, which resulted in a collision.
No different to a marking contest where one player accidentally gets hurt.

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[Truckosaurus]

Part of the reason this is so debatable is due to the inconsistency of the MRO (and the Tribunal for that matter), particularly this season.

 

[Dazzler9]

Part of the reason this is so debatable is due to the inconsistency of the MRO (and the Tribunal for that matter), particularly this season.

Throw in the 'but it's finals' factor and then the Collingwood kicker, and yeah, lottery

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[FKASC]

Never seen anyone have to protect themselves from a player they’re smothering. That’s a new one

 

[bzparkes]

How is it that every other player in the entire game can attempt smothers and not concuss a player and yet maynard can?

He launched forward off the ground and turned his body and collected him high. He's as good as cooked.

From the vision, Maynard barely hits him.

Maybe Brayshaw's just got a case of the McCartin's? He has a history of concussion, after all.

Any other player and they get straight back up, I reckon. The hit Chesser took from Balta was 5x heavier.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

From the vision, Maynard barely hits him.

Maybe Brayshaw's just got a case of the McCartin's? He has a history of concussion, after all.

Any other player and they get straight back up, I reckon. The hit Chesser took from Balta was 5x heavier.

What are you talking about, you can question whether it was a suspendable incident but you can't question that his shoulder collected him flush to the head. See the footage from behind Maynard as per the below.

 

[Bender_]

Knowing the AFL and their dealings with the Pies, Maynard will get a "1 match ban", Pies will argue that because a match was played during their week off that he technically served it, the AFL will agree and allow him to play the prelim and bend over for another load from the Pies like usual.

 

[bzparkes]

What are you talking about, you can question whether it was a suspendable incident but you can't question that his should collected him flush to the head. See the footage from behind Maynard as per the below.

What do you want him to do when he's in mid-air?

Rioli's hit on Rowell was worse and we were all cheering when he got off.

It's not much different.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

What do you want him to do when he's in mid-air?

Rioli's hit on Rowell was worse and we were all cheering when he got off.

It's not much different.

I specifically said you can debate if it's a suspendable incident. I took no position in my post.

Simply pointed out that contrary to your original post, he hit him flush. I imagine most players would have been knocked out after that given the impetus both players had.

 

[DanWCE]

If Maynard executes that jumping smother and Brayshaw isn't in the picture there is no way Maynard is falling to the ground shoulder first having turned his body. He would put his arms out to brace for contact with the ground. That's the natural instinct for preparing for contact. Leading with your shoulder is playing on the edge and trying to get one over the opponent.

I doubt he was trying to get him in the head but that's the risk you take trying to be a tough campaigner.

 

[Bender_]

If Maynard executes that jumping smother and Brayshaw isn't in the picture there is no way Maynard is falling to the ground shoulder first having turned his body. He would put his arms out to brace for contact with the ground. That's the natural instinct for preparing for contact. Leading with your shoulder is playing on the edge and trying to get one over the opponent.

I doubt he was trying to get him in the head but that's the risk you take trying to be a tough campaigner.

You're spot on - it's a by-product of the way Maynard plays. He pushes the envelope of wanna be hard-campaigner, and with the margin for error then someone is going to inevitably get hurt as a result of his risky actions.

 

[Ochre]

It's severe impact and high contact. It won't be a week. It'll either be nothing or 3+