Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Thread X

[CourtzMajora]

Yeah ended up being a bust move for Freo.

 

[Mercurial89]

What a waste of talent

 

[Doss]

What a waste of talent

Stole my words. He had basically all the tools you'd want in someone of his size.

Except the most important, application.

 

[Mercurial89]

Stole my words. He had basically all the tools you'd want in someone of his size.

Except the most important, application.

It makes it even more... upsetting might not be the word but upsetting when you look at players like gumby, hansen, kreuzer, morabito players who just cannot get on the field. Here is this guy with not just talent but the actual health to play and he throws it away.

 

[BrunoV]

AFL contracts can't be meaningless if Sylvia has walked away with 1 cent more than what the prorata would be to this point in his contract (which he no doubt would have).

 

[Seagrave_Holmes]

Sylvia lends to the argument for performance based contracts.

 

[efcboy]

Motlop broke team protocol, not the law. Perfect example of where team punishment is appropriate instead of legal punishment.

What motlop copped was rubbish. He wasn't injured and had a day off. He had a couple of beers at a local footy match didn't hurt or abuse anyone and was supporting local footy. I don't see his situation being any different to the average person having a glass or two of wine at dinner. This was 3 days before they played and thus had no impact on his preparation at all. I hate that afl players are restricted somewhat from doing what any normal person can do.

I recall going back about 10 years or so ago going out for dinner at a pub and an Essendon player was with me - he had 1 or 2 light beers with dinner. Next day at the club he's being questioned why he was intoxicated and out drinking...some idiot had contacted the club somehow stating he was drunk etc. facts were he was just out for dinner and drove home (hence the light beers). Pretty sad state of affairs and really restrictive for a social life.

 

[efcboy]

Christ, it really has been the year from hell for them

No Karmichaael Hunt no Suns!

 

[Dennis Trumpet]

What motlop copped was rubbish. He wasn't injured and had a day off. He had a couple of beers at a local footy match didn't hurt or abuse anyone and was supporting local footy. I don't see his situation being any different to the average person having a glass or two of wine at dinner. This was 3 days before they played and thus had no impact on his preparation at all. I hate that afl players are restricted somewhat from doing what any normal person can do.

I recall going back about 10 years or so ago going out for dinner at a pub and an Essendon player was with me - he had 1 or 2 light beers with dinner. Next day at the club he's being questioned why he was intoxicated and out drinking...some idiot had contacted the club somehow stating he was drunk etc. facts were he was just out for dinner and drove home (hence the light beers). Pretty sad state of affairs and really restrictive for a social life.

As long as the players don't turn up hungover to training or drink after recieving a corky or a soft tissue injury the clubs shouldn't really have a problem with the players having the occasional drink. As if Hirdy never opened the odd bottle of red or two after getting home from footy training.

 

[yaco55]

Skeleton crew at GC. Malceski out for 2, Day 4-6, Swallow 8-10. On top of Ablett, O'Meara, Hallahan...

Planning for 2016.

 

[yaco55]

Sylvia was likely to be a bust - Over-rated throughout his career - Struggled to get to 163 games - May not have reached 100 games if he didn't play for MFC.

 

[GUMBLETRON]

Who knows, he might have lived up to his potential had he begun in a demanding environment.

 

[monty1104]

What motlop copped was rubbish. He wasn't injured and had a day off. He had a couple of beers at a local footy match didn't hurt or abuse anyone and was supporting local footy. I don't see his situation being any different to the average person having a glass or two of wine at dinner. This was 3 days before they played and thus had no impact on his preparation at all. I hate that afl players are restricted somewhat from doing what any normal person can do.

I recall going back about 10 years or so ago going out for dinner at a pub and an Essendon player was with me - he had 1 or 2 light beers with dinner. Next day at the club he's being questioned why he was intoxicated and out drinking...some idiot had contacted the club somehow stating he was drunk etc. facts were he was just out for dinner and drove home (hence the light beers). Pretty sad state of affairs and really restrictive for a social life.

I'm not saying what happened to Motlop was right, just pointing out that it was a perfect example of where a team sanction might have been appropriate. He didn't break the law, but broke team rules.

 

[Pweter]

When my old man played for Central Districts in the 60s they had a team rule that there was to be no drinking after Tuesday night, so that is the 3 nights before a game (given all games were on Saturdays) were grog free.

No doubt plenty of blokes would've broken that by having a quiet brew or 2 in private, but if caught in public you played reserves that week. SANFL wasn't even semi-professional back then and they had these rules so I think Motlop, being in a professional environment, would've been naive to think the club wouldn't be happy with his conduct.

 

[yaco55]

Who knows, he might have lived up to his potential had he begun in a demanding environment.

Mick McGuane from RSN spoke about Sylvia last year - Mick took a coaching session for the Bendigo Pioneers in Sylvia's draft year - Claimed that Sylvia was super lazy during this training session and McGuane already questioned his worth.

Sylvia is yet another player that the media over-hypes - Fair dinkum the overall footy media is tragic.

 

[Dave]

On Clarkson, the bloke was far more in his face before they got to the hotel yet he managed not to belt him, yet when he reached the place where he could walk through a door to safety all of a sudden he couldn't control himself? Color me cynical but I wonder if he planned to do that from the start. So brave.

On his other "indiscretions", if I abused a junior umpire the way he did, I would be suspended from coaching, if not de-registered. What makes him any different?

 

[GUMBLETRON]

Mick McGuane from RSN spoke about Sylvia last year - Mick took a coaching session for the Bendigo Pioneers in Sylvia's draft year - Claimed that Sylvia was super lazy during this training session and McGuane already questioned his worth.

So you back a strong culture to whip him into shape. Doesn't always work, as Hawthorn found out with Garlett, and Freo coming far too late with Sylvia, but I have no doubt there are countless cases where it has.

 

[BrunoV]

Mick McGuane from RSN spoke about Sylvia last year - Mick took a coaching session for the Bendigo Pioneers in Sylvia's draft year - Claimed that Sylvia was super lazy during this training session and McGuane already questioned his worth.

Sylvia is yet another player that the media over-hypes - Fair dinkum the overall footy media is tragic.

Doesn't the interest Freo showed in him vindicate the belief that he has special talent?

 

[Doss]

Doesn't the interest Freo showed in him vindicate the belief that he has special talent?

I think some struggle with the concept that there is a disconnect between talent and mental application, put simply.

 

[yaco55]

Doesn't the interest Freo showed in him vindicate the belief that he has special talent?

Sylvia has always been an average AFL player - Had maybe 10 special games,and around 25 good to very good games - The rest were a combination of average shocking games - There is nothing in his game profile to indicate that he was an especially talented player - Talented means consistently showing these traits - Sylvia may not have played 100 games at another club - Sylvia was pick 4 and early draft picks tend to be gifted extra games - Jack Watts is a good comparison - Watts has some good attributes but not the important attributes for his size - Watts is an average player who is just AFL standard - I've seen enough of Watts to rate Sylvia as a slightly better player.

Anyway, I posted at the time that Sylvia would find it tough at Freo. And this has been the case.

 

[Kakkle]

He also played one incredible game against the reigning premiers in Hawthorn with 37 disposals, 9 marks & 4 goals in a loss.

 

[Mercurial89]

Doesn't the interest Freo showed in him vindicate the belief that he has special talent?

Think you will find this as another example of Yaco reading from a different dictionary.

 

[Doss]

He also played one incredible game against the reigning premiers in Hawthorn with 37 disposals, 9 marks & 4 goals in a loss.

I remember that game and his game in particular. How anyone could see that game and not concede he had AFL talent is beyond me.

Again, talent and application are two very different things.

 

[BrunoV]

Carlton is looking decent enough on paper this week especially with their younger more talented players out there (exc Menzel).

Whiley will add genuine grunt in the middle. With Bell and Cripps in form and Judd back they will win the ball which I think makes them a genuine chance tonight.

Edit: we all knew that their depth was going to be the problem. There was a significant overreaction to the West Coast match because the 4 or 5 young and promising players who are now in the team were injured or not ready for the match. That they're the future and some of Carlton's better players made everything look much worse than it was.

Curnow, Ellard, Armfield and Wood are really the only foot soldiers that they have playing for them now with Yarran and Menzel presumably taking two of those spots.

Jones is enigmatic but continues to show signs. His work rate around the ball has been fine he just needs to time to settle into their system, to convert one more of his chances a game and work a bit harder to get a little more uncontested ball and he is a 2 goal, 5 to 7 mark (3 to 4 contested), 10 to 15 possession player and genuine target. He was never going to be Riewoldt or Hawkins, he was recruited to complement Carlton's key forward structure and there is not much more that he needs to do to be doing in order for him to be doing his job well.

If they can get a couple of goals out of Casboult a game it would be a real help. I'd leave him in the twos for a few weeks, playing him out of the square, so that he can work on a method for goal kicking out of the public spotlight (it goes without saying that the only training he would be doing in the next few weeks would be kicking practice).

 

[lamaros]

I agree about Carlton, real chance to beat the pies. They're actually favoured for me.

The WC game will haunt proper appreciation of where they're at for a while.