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It’s fair question to ask whether the people responsible for the previous coaching appointment should be involved for the next.

Ultimately I’m not fussed with who we get. Nailing this and the next draft is more important.
 
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Dan said:
It’s fair question to ask whether the people responsible for the previous coaching appointment should be involved for the next.

Ultimately I’m fussed with who we get. Nailing this and next draft is more important.
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But did they get the decision wrong with Rhyce? I say they didn't.

Ultimately, I want NMFC people to make the decision.

The others, while I'm sure they'll do the right thing, have no skin in the game. If they recommend hiring someone and it goes horribly wrong, what do they care? They get their pay cheque anyway.

Whereas if this goes wrong, Brady probably loses his job and Arch will get booted from the board forever.
 

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Is Barrett just being a campaigner here or does he have a point? What was he saying after round 2 when Rhyce had coached a list that no one at all rated to a record of 10 and 5?

AFL Media’s Damian Barrett has questioned why North Melbourne board member Glenn Archer has been named on the club’s selection panel to find their next coach.

The Kangaroos announced a “well-rounded” coaching selection panel that includes football director Archer, premiership coach Paul Roos, CEO Ben Amarfi, GM of Football Brady Rawlings, board member Sonja Hood and Centre for Leadership Advantage co-founder and director, Terry Coyne.

North Melbourne has reportedly drawn up a shortlist of 10 candidates to replace the departed Rhyce Shaw.

Speaking on AFL Trade Radio’s The Late Trade, Barrett slammed North’s “cowboy process” to identify Shaw as Brad Scott’s replacement.

Club great Archer and chairman Ben Buckley were part of a five-person panel that appointed Shaw as interim coach last year.

“It’s unthinkable for the North Melbourne Football Club to have Glenn Archer as part of its committee to find a new coach,” Barrett said.

“I feel it’s only marginally more logical to have Roos chairman Ben Buckley on that same committee as well. Buckley and Archer have had their chances with such tasks - and they’ve failed.

“They extended Brad Scott’s contract as coach only to ship him out with a year and a half to go (on his contract).

“They then ran a cowboy process to find his replacement making Hail Mary calls to a few of their old mates in Simmo (Adam Simpson), Horse (John Longmire) and Clarko (Alastair Clarkson) - all those guys understandably said no in a heartbeat.

“All too smart to join their cowboy operation and a so-called thorough process then unveiled interim coach Rhyce Shaw as the man they were after.

“And like Scott in 2020, Shaw in 2021 will be paid by North Melbourne Football Club to not coach the North Melbourne Football Club – as will a lot of assistant coaches who have also been appointed and axed under their watch.

“It’s only club money though, isn’t it?

“No other business in the world would allow so many mistakes to not only be allowed but tolerated and ultimately ignored.

“And hiding behind the appointment of Paul Roos on this latest North Melbourne committee to find a new coach is simply a cop out – an attempt at good PR when the only thing that is needed is good management.”

Archer played 311 games for North Melbourne winning two premierships in 1996 and 1999.

Port Adelaide assistant coach Michael Voss has been linked to the vacant Roos job
 
big_e said:
But did they get the decision wrong with Rhyce? I say they didn't.

Ultimately, I want NMFC people to make the decision.

The others, while I'm sure they'll do the right thing, have no skin in the game. If they recommend hiring someone and it goes horribly wrong, what do they care? They get their pay cheque anyway.

Whereas if this goes wrong, Brady probably loses his job and Arch will get booted from the board forever.
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Anytime a senior coach leaves....the playing group responds positively with the care-taker coach.....no matter who it is.

The club viewed last years purple patch as Shaw’s influence and gave him the job. Beyond that.....what credentials did Shaw have that would make him the best candidate out of everyone that applied for the job?
 
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7577969923 said:
Is Barrett just being a campaigner here or does he have a point? What was he saying after round 2 when Rhyce had coached a list that no one at all rated to a record of 10 and 5?

AFL Media’s Damian Barrett has questioned why North Melbourne board member Glenn Archer has been named on the club’s selection panel to find their next coach.

The Kangaroos announced a “well-rounded” coaching selection panel that includes football director Archer, premiership coach Paul Roos, CEO Ben Amarfi, GM of Football Brady Rawlings, board member Sonja Hood and Centre for Leadership Advantage co-founder and director, Terry Coyne.

North Melbourne has reportedly drawn up a shortlist of 10 candidates to replace the departed Rhyce Shaw.

Speaking on AFL Trade Radio’s The Late Trade, Barrett slammed North’s “cowboy process” to identify Shaw as Brad Scott’s replacement.

Club great Archer and chairman Ben Buckley were part of a five-person panel that appointed Shaw as interim coach last year.

“It’s unthinkable for the North Melbourne Football Club to have Glenn Archer as part of its committee to find a new coach,” Barrett said.

“I feel it’s only marginally more logical to have Roos chairman Ben Buckley on that same committee as well. Buckley and Archer have had their chances with such tasks - and they’ve failed.

“They extended Brad Scott’s contract as coach only to ship him out with a year and a half to go (on his contract).

“They then ran a cowboy process to find his replacement making Hail Mary calls to a few of their old mates in Simmo (Adam Simpson), Horse (John Longmire) and Clarko (Alastair Clarkson) - all those guys understandably said no in a heartbeat.

“All too smart to join their cowboy operation and a so-called thorough process then unveiled interim coach Rhyce Shaw as the man they were after.

“And like Scott in 2020, Shaw in 2021 will be paid by North Melbourne Football Club to not coach the North Melbourne Football Club – as will a lot of assistant coaches who have also been appointed and axed under their watch.

“It’s only club money though, isn’t it?

“No other business in the world would allow so many mistakes to not only be allowed but tolerated and ultimately ignored.

“And hiding behind the appointment of Paul Roos on this latest North Melbourne committee to find a new coach is simply a cop out – an attempt at good PR when the only thing that is needed is good management.”

Archer played 311 games for North Melbourne winning two premierships in 1996 and 1999.

Port Adelaide assistant coach Michael Voss has been linked to the vacant Roos job
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He has a point - poorly spoken and with too much emotion - but he has a point.

The Bard resigning and Shawry appointments were done on a whim - both in hindsight poor decisions (for a variety of different reasons.)

At least this time there appears to be a thorough process, appropriate DD being undertaken and the best person likely to be chosen according to a set of agreed criteria - I suspect we have learned from our past mistakes which is always a good thing.

I have no problem with Archer on the panel - in fact the panel overall looks strong to me.

Now to the appointment - we wait and see.

Brady's appt has been fantastic - we now need to back it up with the choice of Coach.
 
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Handsome.B.Wonderful said:
I have heard that both a psychologist and doctor will be running for the board at the next election.

We seem to be very health and welfare focused compared to a Richmond who are stacked with sports administrators (Gale, Speed, Dunne, O'Rourke).
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Hmmmmmmm
 
Dan said:
Anytime a senior coach leaves....the playing responds positively with the care-taker coach.....no matter who it is.

The club viewed last years purple patch as Shaw’s influence and gave him the job. Beyond that.....what credentials did Shaw have that would make him the best candidate out of everyone that applied for the job?
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He was voted as the assistant coach of the year two years in a row. What more could he have done?
 
R00StaR said:
Not that i give a toss about PC snowflakes, but i know this board is super lefty so you probably should be aware of your racism (if you buy into this sort of thing)

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I'm a black person you ****en idiot.

You're the one who brought this up in a thread about the new coach.

Maybe you should just piss off.
 
Dan said:
Anytime a senior coach leaves....the playing responds positively with the care-taker coach.....no matter who it is.

The club viewed last years purple patch as Shaw’s influence and gave him the job. Beyond that.....what credentials did Shaw have that would make him the best candidate out of everyone that applied for the job?
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Rhyce Shaw. Twice voted best assistant coach in the AFL. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
 

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7577969923 said:
Is Barrett just being a campaigner here or does he have a point? What was he saying after round 2 when Rhyce had coached a list that no one at all rated to a record of 10 and 5?

AFL Media’s Damian Barrett has questioned why North Melbourne board member Glenn Archer has been named on the club’s selection panel to find their next coach.

The Kangaroos announced a “well-rounded” coaching selection panel that includes football director Archer, premiership coach Paul Roos, CEO Ben Amarfi, GM of Football Brady Rawlings, board member Sonja Hood and Centre for Leadership Advantage co-founder and director, Terry Coyne.

North Melbourne has reportedly drawn up a shortlist of 10 candidates to replace the departed Rhyce Shaw.

Speaking on AFL Trade Radio’s The Late Trade, Barrett slammed North’s “cowboy process” to identify Shaw as Brad Scott’s replacement.

Club great Archer and chairman Ben Buckley were part of a five-person panel that appointed Shaw as interim coach last year.

“It’s unthinkable for the North Melbourne Football Club to have Glenn Archer as part of its committee to find a new coach,” Barrett said.

“I feel it’s only marginally more logical to have Roos chairman Ben Buckley on that same committee as well. Buckley and Archer have had their chances with such tasks - and they’ve failed.

“They extended Brad Scott’s contract as coach only to ship him out with a year and a half to go (on his contract).

“They then ran a cowboy process to find his replacement making Hail Mary calls to a few of their old mates in Simmo (Adam Simpson), Horse (John Longmire) and Clarko (Alastair Clarkson) - all those guys understandably said no in a heartbeat.

“All too smart to join their cowboy operation and a so-called thorough process then unveiled interim coach Rhyce Shaw as the man they were after.

“And like Scott in 2020, Shaw in 2021 will be paid by North Melbourne Football Club to not coach the North Melbourne Football Club – as will a lot of assistant coaches who have also been appointed and axed under their watch.

“It’s only club money though, isn’t it?

“No other business in the world would allow so many mistakes to not only be allowed but tolerated and ultimately ignored.

“And hiding behind the appointment of Paul Roos on this latest North Melbourne committee to find a new coach is simply a cop out – an attempt at good PR when the only thing that is needed is good management.”

Archer played 311 games for North Melbourne winning two premierships in 1996 and 1999.

Port Adelaide assistant coach Michael Voss has been linked to the vacant Roos job
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🤢🤮
 
7577969923 said:
Is Barrett just being a campaigner here or does he have a point? What was he saying after round 2 when Rhyce had coached a list that no one at all rated to a record of 10 and 5?

AFL Media’s Damian Barrett has questioned why North Melbourne board member Glenn Archer has been named on the club’s selection panel to find their next coach.

The Kangaroos announced a “well-rounded” coaching selection panel that includes football director Archer, premiership coach Paul Roos, CEO Ben Amarfi, GM of Football Brady Rawlings, board member Sonja Hood and Centre for Leadership Advantage co-founder and director, Terry Coyne.

North Melbourne has reportedly drawn up a shortlist of 10 candidates to replace the departed Rhyce Shaw.

Speaking on AFL Trade Radio’s The Late Trade, Barrett slammed North’s “cowboy process” to identify Shaw as Brad Scott’s replacement.

Club great Archer and chairman Ben Buckley were part of a five-person panel that appointed Shaw as interim coach last year.

“It’s unthinkable for the North Melbourne Football Club to have Glenn Archer as part of its committee to find a new coach,” Barrett said.

“I feel it’s only marginally more logical to have Roos chairman Ben Buckley on that same committee as well. Buckley and Archer have had their chances with such tasks - and they’ve failed.

“They extended Brad Scott’s contract as coach only to ship him out with a year and a half to go (on his contract).

“They then ran a cowboy process to find his replacement making Hail Mary calls to a few of their old mates in Simmo (Adam Simpson), Horse (John Longmire) and Clarko (Alastair Clarkson) - all those guys understandably said no in a heartbeat.

“All too smart to join their cowboy operation and a so-called thorough process then unveiled interim coach Rhyce Shaw as the man they were after.

“And like Scott in 2020, Shaw in 2021 will be paid by North Melbourne Football Club to not coach the North Melbourne Football Club – as will a lot of assistant coaches who have also been appointed and axed under their watch.

“It’s only club money though, isn’t it?

“No other business in the world would allow so many mistakes to not only be allowed but tolerated and ultimately ignored.

“And hiding behind the appointment of Paul Roos on this latest North Melbourne committee to find a new coach is simply a cop out – an attempt at good PR when the only thing that is needed is good management.”

Archer played 311 games for North Melbourne winning two premierships in 1996 and 1999.

Port Adelaide assistant coach Michael Voss has been linked to the vacant Roos job
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Nah he just a campaigner
 
Jabba the Trump said:
Rhyce Shaw. Twice voted best assistant coach in the AFL. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
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Wonderdog said:
He was voted as the assistant coach of the year two years in a row. What more could he have done?
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I’ll pretend that accomplishment carries weight.

There would be 50+ assistant coaches in the AFL....whom and how do you judge 1 being the best of the lot?

Anyways....let’s say Shaw wasn’t the care-taker coach last year but still applied for the senior position. Would he have still been picked to be the senior coach?
 
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R00StaR said:
Not that i give a toss about PC snowflakes, but i know this board is super lefty so you probably should be aware of your racism (if you buy into this sort of thing)

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btw -my ancestry test kit says I’m 2% African.

#dansblack
 
Dan said:
I’ll pretend that accomplishment carries weight.

There would be 50+ assistant coaches in the AFL....whom and how do you judge 1 being the best of the lot?

Anyways....let’s say Shaw wasn’t the care-taker coach last year but still applied for the senior position. Would he have still been picked to be the senior coach?
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Probably not. The fact that he turned the side around obviously played a part in his hiring. It's not just that he was coaching, he was obviously building relationship with players that got the set out of them. And that is a reasonable decision anyway because he now had performances he could point to that showed he deserved a chance to try with his own set up.

Let's not forget he never really had his own set up and the club even came out and acknowledged this when it went public about his situation. We said it was a mistake to not give him the support he needed.
 
ferball said:
Probably not. The fact that he turned the side around obviously played a part in his hiring. It's not just that he was coaching, he was obviously building relationship with players that got the set out of them. And that is a reasonable decision anyway because he now had performances he could point to that showed he deserved a chance to try with his own set up.

Let's not forget he never really had his own set up and the club even came out and acknowledged this when it went public about his situation. We said it was a mistake to not give him the support he needed.
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I don't think a mental health episode and a pandemic should re-write history. It seemed the right appointment at the time and anyone that wasn't involved in the process directly wouldn't really have any basis to say that it wasn't.

Coaches fail for a variety of reasons and they will fail for as long as professional sport is played. There's no guarantee that a different process this time around with yield a different result either.

I still reckon there was a ripper coach in Shaw once he'd gotten a couple of seasons under his belt, but sadly we'll never know.
 
R00StaR said:
Not that i give a toss about PC snowflakes, but i know this board is super lefty so you probably should be aware of your racism (if you buy into this sort of thing)

White People Using GIFs of Black People Are Now Guilty of ‘Digital Blackface’
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BigFooty is full of half witted moronic comments written by nufnuffs and you come along and say, "Hold my beer"!

Ain't nobody got time for that!!!!
 

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