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[mdc]

That depends on the player. Goldsack would be preferred for the medium forwards who can run, jump, and lead to the ball, given that Goldsack is far quicker than Maxwell. And Harry is better on these players than Maxwell. I agree that Maxwell is better than Goldsack for bigger, less mobile players who contest arially for the ball. However, Brown is better than Maxwell on these players. And Harry is better than Maxwell on these players. And Anthony would be better on these players than Maxwell.

I think far quicker is an overstatement. Maxwell has good pace, especially over the first 15-25m. I'd probably back him against Goldsack over that distance. Anything further and Goldsack would overtake him though.

As for players who can run, jump and lead to the ball...does Ryan O'Keefe, he who was depantsed by Maxwell in a final, qualify? And as far as I can tell, the only player Goldsack has ever beaten convincingly is an aging Michael O'Loughlin.

As for the offensive side, Goldsack isn't as safe a kick, he doesn't get as many touches...I see him as a poor offensive player. Maxwell isn't that much better, but at least he is very damaging by hand.

But look, I argued last year that Maxwell was always going to be a better player than Goldsack on most fronts, and had few supporters. I argue it even more vehemently this year, and again I'm sure I'm not in the majority. I certainly agree Harry is a significantly better player than both from a technical standpoint, but he's the only one who I see duplicating Maxwell's role. Goldsack won't ever be as good. Ditto for Toovey. Anthony is a forward for the foreseeable future. Cox should be played forward of the ball. That about covers it.

 

[Lenz]

There are several other things in Maxwell's favour. First, he can play anywhere - he's becoming a genuine utility, not perhaps the best going, or even out best going (Lockyer), but he's the kind of player you want to have around when you suddenly discover that the opposition has thrown a curly one at you and you need something extra. Second, he's extremely consistent. These other names - Anthony, Goldsack and others - may never be as consistent as Maxy. Third, Maxwell is on a steady gradient of improvement; two years hence he'll probably be ten percent better than he is now, maybe more. So to me there's no argument - Maxy it is!

 

[Pie eyed]

IT won't change just because he is captain, it will change because we have a lot of talented young players who when they develop will be better at playing that position than Maxwell.

For the thrid and fourth tall role, we have Goldsack, O'Brien, Blight, Reed, Anthony are some that come to mind, and that excludes Cox and Toovey. In any given match, you really only need one or two of these players in the one backline. At least Goldsack, O'Brien, and Anthony are better against marking mobile players than Maxwell (again I am talking about 1 on 1, not the team oriented things like 1 percenters and leadership).

I know you think that may be the case but I don't and there is little evidence to support your theory other than several others opinions.
I am not be nasty here.
In reality at the moment you can look at the forward line and say exactly the same thing.
The club is bristling with promising backs and forwards.
How many will fill a permanent spot?
Who knows. Rocca will retire sooner or later. That leaves one spot which has to be filled.

Medders, Rocca, Didak, Rusling and Cloke will all start without doubt.
This will leave Dawes to have a few fill in games but mainly playing VFL for 2009 and Anthony to get a run down back at some stage.

Presti is a dead cert with N.Brown, Maxwell and Heath Shaw absolute definite's. Harry O would be almost assured of a spot.
L.Brown, Reid and Toovey have yet to prove they are even regular 22 player for the Pies.
Cox is more a Utility than anything else and no where near as good as Maxwell.

This leaves Goldsack in limbo....wing?
McCarthy is going to be a inside mid come forward I reckon.

Maxwell has been among the first picked since his debut.
He is solid and dependable 95% of the time.
Yes he has been beaten and several times exposed but only when the side was getting thoroughly exposed as one.
No he can't do everything.
No player can (Bucks the possible exception).
I think we just have to accept that Bucks was a once in a lifetime player let alone Captain and no one will measure up for quite some time.
He may well be a once in a lifetime Coach as well but that is all speculation until it comes to pass.
That said he never brought home a flag and neither may Maxwell.
That's football.

Maxwell is the club captain...until he is not.
Until then I would rather speculate on how good he can be rather than how bad he could be if, and only if, some who have yet to even became regular members of the 22 do become better players than him.

At this precise moment everyone on the list has an equal chance of being named in the 22 come round 1 but the chances are that this is the side that will run on;

Nick Maxwell.............Captain
and 21 other Collingwood Listed Players.

These speculative threads have been around re: Maxwell since his first game and one thing is absolutely certain.....he polarises opinion.

 

[bradrowe#32]

Maxwell's appointment is growing on me. As long as he can maintain his form and continue to lay big tackles, pressure and play hard, I'm happy with it.

Plus, it should also give the next tier a couple of extra years to put their hand up.

 

[duds0101]

Maxwell's appointment is growing on me. As long as he can maintain his form and continue to lay big tackles, pressure and play hard, I'm happy with it.

Plus, it should also give the next tier a couple of extra years to put their hand up.

Maxy as captain was the only logical choice at this time. Pendles whilst a great leader I think should thrive in 5 years or so when Maxy retires. I see this maths.

Maxy 25+5=30.
Pendles 20/21(as he almost is) + 5 = 25/26= EXACT TIMING.

 

[Pie eyed]

Maxy as captain was the only logical choice at this time. Pendles whilst a great leader I think should thrive in 5 years or so when Maxy retires. I see this maths.

Maxy 25+5=30.
Pendles 20/21(as he almost is) + 5 = 25/26= EXACT TIMING.

Pendles is in the leadership group. He did very little "leading" last season and this season will be the test of whether he is a leader.
To say he is already a great leader is grossly premature.

Maybe "a potentially great leader" would be a better description.

Reading a lot of the threads lately I get the feeling a lot of posters are getting enormously carried away with some enormously young and untried players and not only this years draftees.

It would not surprise me in the least if Pendles is never chosen as captain.
He may well be the type of player who does not thrive with the added responsibility. Most players are not automatic leaders.
I will now go and read the next thread in which DTM asks "is player X the next Pendlebury".....which is also very premature as I still don't think we have even seen the real Pendlebury at his best yet.

 

[malteaser]

Oh my god I am away 3 months and I find out that Maxwell is captain. I hope he and the club proves me wrong.

What else did I miss out on!!! I also found out about the 8 million.

 

[PieLebo87]

Oh my god I am away 3 months and I find out that Maxwell is captain. I hope he and the club proves me wrong.

What else did I miss out on!!! I also found out about the 8 million.

Where the hell have you been for 3 months? I'd have thought even people in Tibet would've heard the outcry from some Collingwood 'supporters' regarding Maxwell's appointment.

 

[duds0101]

Oh my god I am away 3 months and I find out that Maxwell is captain. I hope he and the club proves me wrong.

What else did I miss out on!!! I also found out about the 8 million.

Wasn't that the blown up estimation Greame Cornes article?

 

[Snag Breac]

Oh my god I am away 3 months and I find out that Maxwell is captain. I hope he and the club proves me wrong.

What else did I miss out on!!! I also found out about the 8 million.

Christi Malthouse gave birth to Strauchanie's baby.

 

[Dylz48]

While I don't think maxwell will be the best captain weve ever had I think he is the best choice till pendels matures

 

[malteaser]

So I have missed the botox man having a go at us, and straunie becoming a dad, so all in all just another off season. So what have Richmond and Tasmania got in common? Fu?$ing cousins.