Mega Thread Official 2012 Draft discussion thread: All drafts complete.

[ThePuppetMaster]

Blease has still got a long way to go become an A-grade mid.

Completely irrelevant - I'm talking about the recovery time from injury.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Completely irrelevant - I'm talking about the recovery time from injury.

No doubt it will be interesting to see where Stringer goes but there are no certainties in life - we don't truly know the extent of his injuries and the effect it's had on his body and on him mentally. He will go inside the Top 20 but I highly doubt he'll be a Top 10 selection, based on his injuries. Same goes for Troy Menzel. Both these players will probably go to clubs who are in a position to take a risk. Most clubs outside the 8 need more security than that, hence why both players will slide and are no certainties to make it long term.

 

[Praetorian]

Selwood only slipped to 6/7, but at the time was regarded as the best mid, but as you say had an injury question mark. Where has Stringer been playing at under 18 level?

Please no more utilities. I want a gun mid, not a forward who can take a turn in the midfield.

played as a mid before his injury, then as a forward during this year. no doubt he's still on the road to recovery even though he is playing, and i dont know if he'll ever be a pure midfielder again. probably too many question marks to be top 10

 

[Eth]

played as a mid before his injury, then as a forward during this year. no doubt he's still on the road to recovery even though he is playing, and i dont know if he'll ever be a pure midfielder again. probably too many question marks to be top 10

Voss and Barlow were/are pure midfielders after their broken legs...won't be an issue.

 

[Praetorian]

Voss and Barlow were/are pure midfielders after their broken legs...won't be an issue.

no doubt he will be able to return to the midfield, just whether whichever club picks him puts him forward or midfield

 

[Tulip]

We really should take him at Pick 13. Too good to pass up.

 

[dajesmac]

Good job (y)

I agree with most of your decisions, especially letting GC take Viney if they were to bid. Personally, I'm still not convinced with Grundy. Maybe you can persuade me? Our ruck stocks are alright so I personally don't see us going for a ruck with 4.

As for 13, I'm liking the looks of Dayle Gartlett. Reminds me of Pearce in his early days; quick, athletic and elite kicking. Would also consider Menzel as we sorely lack goal kickers. How injury prone is he though?

As for 26 and 45, I would like a solidly built mid and a KPF, preferably not skinny.

Re: Grundy I personally just thought it was a case of best available. Your ruck stocks are decent but there wasn't a sure-thing elite prospect like Grundy seems to be is all. Going by some of these responses a mid would be preferable over Grundy so I'll keep that in mind if I'm Melbourne again in the real thing.

Yeah the Menzel's seem to have dodgy genetics which is sure to see him slide. I honestly think Stringer is too good a prospect to pass up at 13 though as he is a potentially elite KPF prospect aswell as being able to play as a Hodge-like inside mid (Knightmare's words) and in defense. Garlett, Kennedy and Menzel are the others I'm considering at that pick.

 

[The Professor]

Yeah the Menzel's seem to have dodgy genetics which is sure to see him slide. I honestly think Stringer is too good a prospect to pass up at 13 though as he is a potentially elite KPF prospect aswell as being able to play as a Hodge-like inside mid (Knightmare's words) and in defense. Garlett, Kennedy and Menzel are the others I'm considering at that pick.

Looks like Stringer and Menzel are high risk, high reward players that won't last past pick 20?

I think Viney will be a determining factor for these two.

If Viney is Pick 3, I think MFC will play it safe and pick best option at 13.

If Viney slips to second round, you will have pick 3,4 and Viney. Why not have a crack at a high risk high reward player?

 

[deeman87]

Looks like Stringer and Menzel are high risk, high reward players that won't last past pick 20?

I think Viney will be a determining factor for these two.

If Viney is Pick 3, I think MFC will play it safe and pick best option at 13.

If Viney slips to second round, you will have pick 3,4 and Viney. Why not have a crack at a high risk high reward player?

Stringer would most likely be the no1 pick if it wasn't for his broken leg too. Even if he doesn't become a pure mid again, though I'm pretty certain he will, he has the size and strength to be a gun power forward anyways. I'd be all for drafting him at 4 if as you say we get Viney in the second round. Dunno about Menzel though, with the LARS and him having injured his PCL recently i think he may just be too risky even at 13.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Looks like Stringer and Menzel are high risk, high reward players that won't last past pick 20?

I think Viney will be a determining factor for these two.

If Viney is Pick 3, I think MFC will play it safe and pick best option at 13.

If Viney slips to second round, you will have pick 3,4 and Viney. Why not have a crack at a high risk high reward player?

True but, outside of Grundy, the better players available will be midfielders - if we take two with our first two picks and get Viney in the second round then I would hope we would take someone like a Garlett to change things up. Midfield is a need but taking them with our first 4 picks is a stretch.

 

[Eth]

Stringer would most likely be the no1 pick if it wasn't for his broken leg too. Even if he doesn't become a pure mid again, though I'm pretty certain he will, he has the size and strength to be a gun power forward anyways. I'd be all for drafting him at 4 if as you say we get Viney in the second round. Dunno about Menzel though, with the LARS and him having injured his PCL recently i think he may just be too risky even at 13.

Why draft Stringer at 4 when we can pick up a better midfielder and wait until 13, where there's still a good chance he'll be around?

 

[deeman87]

Why draft Stringer at 4 when we can pick up a better midfielder and wait until 13, where there's still a good chance he'll be around?

I highly doubt he'll be around at 13. Stringer has superstar potential and before breaking his leg was the best mid in the country. It was just an idea is all, you watch if he can get his fitness levels back to what they were pre leg break the kid could very well be the best player from this draft.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

I highly doubt he'll be around at 13. Stringer has superstar potential and before breaking his leg was the best mid in the country. It was just an idea is all, you watch if he can get his fitness levels back to what they were pre leg break the kid could very well be the best player from this draft.

And all this is according to.... you? No doubt the kid has talent but let's not carried away.

 

[Eth]

I highly doubt he'll be around at 13. Stringer has superstar potential and before breaking his leg was the best mid in the country. It was just an idea is all, you watch if he can get his fitness levels back to what they were pre leg break the kid could very well be the best player from this draft.

Before breaking his leg, he was.

After breaking his leg, he isn't.

He's a fair chance to be around at our pick 13, just as Menzel will be.

 

[deeman87]

And all this is according to.... you? No doubt the kid has talent but let's not carried away.

Purely conjecture on my part. I'm just going off what i've read about him from KM and Chris as well as reading some reports on him a year or two ago. I'm just saying he could be something special and that his name should be in the mix at 4 is all. But maybe you guys are right and we should hope he's still about at 13.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

As I've posted before - this kid dominated TAC Cup as a two year underager; I bet he'll get up to speed in an AFL environment and dominate sooner rather than later.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

As I've posted before - this kid dominated TAC Cup as a two year underager; I bet he'll get up to speed in an AFL environment and dominate sooner rather than later.

So did Tom Swift.... there are no sure things after a serious injury.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

So did Tom Swift.... there are no sure things after a serious injury.

As I've also already posted, Tom Swift dominated 16 year olds as a 16 year old - not TAC Cup players.

 

[dee64]

Stringer would most likely be the no1 pick if it wasn't for his broken leg too. Even if he doesn't become a pure mid again, though I'm pretty certain he will, he has the size and strength to be a gun power forward anyways. I'd be all for drafting him at 4 if as you say we get Viney in the second round. Dunno about Menzel though, with the LARS and him having injured his PCL recently i think he may just be too risky even at 13.

You have never seen him play recently have you? He'll never be a power forward. If you want to draw a comparison with a current AFL player:
Best Case Scenario: Paul Chapman
Most Likely Scenario: A cross between Chapman and Tapscott

We're more likely to give up pick 4 to get Hogan, who has got the makings of a gun power forward.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

As I've also already posted, Tom Swift dominated 16 year olds as a 16 year old - not TAC Cup players.

Not a huge difference. It's still a valid point with Swift, nothing is guaranteed after such a serious injury.

 

[deeman87]

You have never seen him play recently have you? He'll never be a power forward. If you want to draw a comparison with a current AFL player:
Best Case Scenario: Paul Chapman
Most Likely Scenario: A cross between Chapman and Tapscott

We're more likely to give up pick 4 to get Hogan, who has got the makings of a gun power forward.

He's 191 cm though not 180cm so i dunno where you're getting the Chappy/Tapscott comparison from. But you're probably right that we're better off going after Hogan with pick 4.

 

[maxmustard]

So did Tom Swift.... there are no sure things after a serious injury.

Agree with this. Some players are never the same after breaking their leg. Having said that, the players that do get back fine usually take two years to do so, so his come back form is probably expected. Barlow only stopped feeling pain in his leg a couple of months ago.

 

[MR]

Melbourne are very keen on Adam Carter, with good reason.

Does that mean Melbourne are expecting to take Viney at 3? Considering how Carter will be late-first/early second, you wouldn't have any picks other than 26 to obtain his services.

 

[Eth]

Does that mean Melbourne are expecting to take Viney at 3? Considering how Carter will be late-first/early second, you wouldn't have any picks other than 26 to obtain his services.

Plus the Brent Moloney compensation, if we don't have any free agency additions (although Byrnes looks likely).

You may be on to something...

 

[MR]

Plus the Brent Moloney compensation, if we don't have any free agency additions (although Byrnes looks likely).

You may be on to something...

Even so, you'd imagine that Melbourne wouldn't receive such a high compensation for Moloney considering his quite poor year. Also, I thought the Demons were going to be much more pro-active in FA.