Official World Cup's too long and how to fix it thread

[TheSaviour]

Re: How to fix the World cup

the system is fine and better than last time. No matches or Duckworth Lweis matches ahve come in because all amtches can be completed.this world cup backfired becasue the organisers were arrogant because simply all matches are basically sold out but it got too expensive and logistically hard so a lot of peopel including myself are just stuck with tickets we can't use.

 

[Sir_Adrian84]

Re: How to fix the World cup

the system is fine and better than last time. No matches or Duckworth Lweis matches ahve come in because all amtches can be completed.this world cup backfired becasue the organisers were arrogant because simply all matches are basically sold out but it got too expensive and logistically hard so a lot of peopel including myself are just stuck with tickets we can't use.

you're right.

The reason why it is so spread out is to allow 2 days per game for the rain.

 

[beatnik]

Re: How to fix the World cup

Poor choice of words in the thread title

yeah, i thought this was going to be the confession of a bookie

 

[CF]

Re: How to fix the World cup

Its quite simple.

The format now is great, I love the idea of a Super 8 stage. But the cup should be finished by now, just play two Super 8 games a day.

yeah I agree. Just play 2 games a day during the super 8's and it would cut the comp down considerably.

 

[ChrisFooty]

Re: How to fix the World cup

Its quite simple.

The format now is great, I love the idea of a Super 8 stage. But the cup should be finished by now, just play two Super 8 games a day.

Bingo.

 

[Andre]

Re: How to fix the World cup

Top 8 teams should qualify automatically.
The next 8 teams play before the world cup - 2 pools of 4, play each other once. Top team from each pool join the 8.

You've then got ten sides.
Two pools of 5. That should be two good sides, 2 so-so and one minnow a piece. The 5 teams play each other once. Top two teams progress to the semi's. With 5 teams in the pool the odd upset (Paki's and India) are less likely to affect who progresses.

That makes a total of 20 pool games in the WC proper, plus semi's and finals. Plus an extra 12 games in the qualifying.

Those who want to watch lots of cricket can watch the qualifying games. Those who are suffering overload from a bunch of meaningless contests this time around would start watching when the real deal begins.

If they want more matches, they can have the top 3 teams in each pool of 5 progress to a super-six with carry over points. With 6 sides and having played 2 already, the second round wouldn't drag on forever like this super-8's is.

 

[Your]

Re: How to fix the World cup

the only way to fix this world cup is to ban australia playing.

then we might get a contest.

 

[Sir_Adrian84]

Re: How to fix the World cup

yeah I agree. Just play 2 games a day during the super 8's and it would cut the comp down considerably.

you're right

however I think they couldn't because the weather wasn't good enough so each game got 2 days

 

[Shakin77]

Re: How to fix the World cup

Give the minnows access to 1 or 2 free agents* who can become Ambassadors of the game for these developing nations.

Phil Turfnell to Kenya
Damien Martyn to Canada

So on and so on.

 

[SriLankanCat]

Re: How to fix the World cup

I reckon the current system is fine, just that the super 8s were way too long. Should of played 2 games a day in the super 8s.

If they do wanna fix it.

Have the 11 teams already automatically qualified. Then have a mini tournament before hand and have the top team go through.

Everyone plays each other once. 11 games. 2 semis then a final.

Have 2 games a day and things will be fine.

 

[likka]

Re: How to fix the World cup

Poor choice of words in the thread title

LOL, I also thought of the alternative context of "fixing" the WC too.

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: How to fix the World cup

Give the minnows access to 1 or 2 free agents* who can become Ambassadors of the game for these developing nations.

Phil Turfnell to Kenya
Damien Martyn to Canada

So on and so on.

I actually like that idea and seeing as we are apparently minnows, we will take Hodgey and win the World Cup

But on the idea of 2 games a day, no thanks The one thing that annoyed me during the first round was some days the 2 games I wanted to see were on the same day then days would go by with all crap games on, atleast now you can watch every game and pretty much all the games are interesting

 

[HomerThompson]

Re: How to fix the World cup

Salim Mailk / Hansie Cronje board

 

[Sportaus]

Re: Super Eight Scheduling

Agree with the above, in that they could have easily played two matches per day throughout the Super 8's just like what happened in the Group Stage.

However, tournament directors & the ICC wanted reserve days for each match.

Fortunately those involved have admitted they stuffed up and are hopeful the same scheduling error won't be made next time in 2011.

 

[red+black]

Re: How to fix the World cup

I disagree with comments that playing two games per day at the Super Eight stage is all that is needed to fix this World Cup. While it would be an improvement, there are other problems that still need to be rectified

- reduce # of teams to 14 (no bermuda or scotland)
- 2 groups of 7
- group A: RSA, PAK, SL, WI, BNG, IRL, CAN
- group B: AUS, NZL, IND, ENG, ZIM, KEN, NET
- each team plays every other team in their group (6 games each)
- one game from each group each day
- 21 games per group, 42 total, thus 21 game days

Tue 13/3 - Mon 19/3: Each team plays 2 Group matches
Tue 20/3: Rest Day
Wed 21/3 - Tue 27/3: Each team plays 2 Group matches
Wed 28/3: Rest Day
Thu 29/3 - Wed 4/4: Each team plays 2 Group matches
Thu 5/4: Rest Day
Fri 6/4: Rest Day (Good Friday)
Sat 7/4: Rest Day
Sun 8/4: Rest Day (Easter Sunday)
Mon 9/4: Quarter Final 1 - A1 v B4
Tue 10/4: Quarter Final 2 - A3 v B2
Wed 11/4: Quarter Final 3 - A4 v B1
Thu 12/4: Quarter Final 4 - A2 v B3
Fri 13/4: Rest Day
Sat 14/4: Semi Final 1 - Winner QF1 v Winner QF 2
Sun 15/4: Semi Final 1 - Winner QF3 v Winner QF 4
Wed 18/4: Final

IMHO, a vastly superior schedule to the current World Cup

 

[red+black]

Re: Super Eight Scheduling

I just posted this in another thread:

I disagree with comments that playing two games per day at the Super Eight stage is all that is needed to fix this World Cup. While it would be an improvement, there are other problems that still need to be rectified

- reduce # of teams to 14 (no bermuda or scotland)
- 2 groups of 7
- group A: RSA, PAK, SL, WI, BNG, IRL, CAN
- group B: AUS, NZL, IND, ENG, ZIM, KEN, NET
- each team plays every other team in their group (6 games each)
- one game from each group each day
- 21 games per group, 42 total, thus 21 game days

Tue 13/3 - Mon 19/3: Each team plays 2 Group matches
Tue 20/3: Rest Day
Wed 21/3 - Tue 27/3: Each team plays 2 Group matches
Wed 28/3: Rest Day
Thu 29/3 - Wed 4/4: Each team plays 2 Group matches
Thu 5/4: Rest Day
Fri 6/4: Rest Day (Good Friday)
Sat 7/4: Rest Day
Sun 8/4: Rest Day (Easter Sunday)
Mon 9/4: Quarter Final 1 - A1 v B4
Tue 10/4: Quarter Final 2 - A3 v B2
Wed 11/4: Quarter Final 3 - A4 v B1
Thu 12/4: Quarter Final 4 - A2 v B3
Fri 13/4: Rest Day
Sat 14/4: Semi Final 1 - Winner QF1 v Winner QF 2
Sun 15/4: Semi Final 1 - Winner QF3 v Winner QF 4
Wed 18/4: Final

IMHO, a vastly superior schedule to the current World Cup

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Re: Super Eight Scheduling

I just posted this in another thread:

I missed that one r&b, but it certainly has some merit.

As a big cricket fan I'm all for the more matches the better. Maybe something that doesn't eliminate the big guns after one really bad performance.

 

[red+black]

Re: Super Eight Scheduling

One thing I believe missing from the current schedule is more sudden-death games, hence why my schedule has quarter-finals. I don't see why every team has to play every other team (ie. surely the reason for having the Super Eight stage). At the Football World Cup 2006, these match-ups did not take place: France v Germany, Brazil v Italy, England v Germany, England v Brazil, Argentina v Brazil etc etc. The CWC does not need to have every major team play each other once, I simply don't see what that achieves, other than take up time and allow for teams such as Sri Lanka to treat excess matches with contempt (ie. last night).

A longer group stage, as I have suggested, allows for the major teams to have one off day and not be eliminated (a la Pakistan and India), and for all minnows to play a minimum 6 games. Imagine if under the current arrangement, Australia was in the same group as New Zealand and Bangladesh. First up, like in England, we have an off day and lose to Bangladesh. In our last group match, we come up against the form team in New Zealand and also lose that, and Australia are eliminated. Sure we've been eliminated fair and square, but I suggest form over a longer Group Stage would determine who is truly worthy of progressing to the quarter finals. Kudos to Ireland and Bangladesh, but at least one of Pakistan or India should still be in the World Cup.

Given my group match-ups, Ireland or Bangladesh may well have made the quarter finals ahead of Pakistan. If they were able to achieve that over 6 group matches, then fine, I'd happily say that Pakistan's form over 6 games was not good enough and that their early exit is fully deserved. I'm sure India would have progressed though.

 

[RoosterLad]

Re: Super Eight Scheduling

I don't see the need for each country to play each other in a Super 8 tournament either, it is pointless. Just because it is a World Cup doesn't mean everybody has to have a hit around. I like what you have done red+black, and if you play in Quarters then the games get so much more important. Winner goes through, loser is out. None of these Aussies vs NZ games where nothing rides on it because they are both through to the semis, and weak Lankans won't rest players because they are scared.

 

[red+black]

Re: Super Eight Scheduling

Let's say South Africa wins tonight. What a ridiculous situation we would then have in that the 7th, 6th, 5th and 4th last games of the World Cup are completely and utterly meaningless as the semi-finalists would be set. How could it be possible that games this close to the final have absolutely no bearing on the tournament?

Compare this situation to a better format where the 7th, 6th, 5th and 4th last games of a World Cup are quarter finals. There is no comparison.

 

[Sir_Adrian84]

Re: How to fix the World cup

I disagree with comments that playing two games per day at the Super Eight stage is all that is needed to fix this World Cup. While it would be an improvement, there are other problems that still need to be rectified

- reduce # of teams to 14 (no bermuda or scotland)
- 2 groups of 7
- group A: RSA, PAK, SL, WI, BNG, IRL, CAN
- group B: AUS, NZL, IND, ENG, ZIM, KEN, NET
- each team plays every other team in their group (6 games each)
- one game from each group each day
- 21 games per group, 42 total, thus 21 game days

Tue 13/3 - Mon 19/3: Each team plays 2 Group matches
Tue 20/3: Rest Day
Wed 21/3 - Tue 27/3: Each team plays 2 Group matches
Wed 28/3: Rest Day
Thu 29/3 - Wed 4/4: Each team plays 2 Group matches
Thu 5/4: Rest Day
Fri 6/4: Rest Day (Good Friday)
Sat 7/4: Rest Day
Sun 8/4: Rest Day (Easter Sunday)
Mon 9/4: Quarter Final 1 - A1 v B4
Tue 10/4: Quarter Final 2 - A3 v B2
Wed 11/4: Quarter Final 3 - A4 v B1
Thu 12/4: Quarter Final 4 - A2 v B3
Fri 13/4: Rest Day
Sat 14/4: Semi Final 1 - Winner QF1 v Winner QF 2
Sun 15/4: Semi Final 1 - Winner QF3 v Winner QF 4
Wed 18/4: Final

IMHO, a vastly superior schedule to the current World Cup

i agree
similar to 1996 with group stage then quarter finals

don't know why the Super 6/8 is played, when other sports (soccer, rugby etc) go from 1st round straight to Finals (8th/4th/SF/F).

when the euro champions league had a second round it was like the cricket with heaps of meaningless matches so it was removed

 

[red+black]

yep, 1996 world cup format was ideal. only difference i suggest is that 1996 had 12 teams, the current one has 16, I propose 14.

1996 world cup took 31 days . current world cup is scheduled for 47 days .

 

[Mr P@H]

What to do though eh? it's a tough one, obviously the main aim for the World Cup is to make the ICC money so more games=more revenue, Maybe a second round robin is the way to go, with a couple more groups of 4 then 2 from each going into the semi's cuts out on the games but the point is to get all the top teams playing each other.

 

[DaveW]

Re: Super Eight Scheduling

red+black's proposed format is, from memory, almost identical to that of the 1996 World Cup. (Except that there were only 12 teams in that tournament.)

Since then the World Cup organisers have been loath to stage quarter finals. Perhaps because in 1996 South Africa won all their group games only to fall over at the quarter final stage.

On a more pedantic point, Scotland won the 2005 ICC Trophy. Making them the foremost of all the qualifiers. Bermuda and Netherlands would have missed out had the 14 team format been retained.

 

[red+black]

Re: How to fix the World cup

I reckon the current system is fine, just that the super 8s were way too long. Should of played 2 games a day in the super 8s.

If they do wanna fix it.

Have the 11 teams already automatically qualified. Then have a mini tournament before hand and have the top team go through.

Everyone plays each other once. 11 games. 2 semis then a final.

Have 2 games a day and things will be fine.

For a 12 team tournament: S(11) = n(n+1)/2 = 11(12)/2 = 66 Group matches

Totally unworkable. While the current CWC with 3 games each is too few, your suggestion of each team playing 11 games is too many.