Ongoing Test match XI speculation thread.

[Footy Smarts]

Some players no matter how they play at first class level aren’t good enough for test cricket. Harris is clearly one of those players. He’s failed in Australia and in England. Shouldn’t even be in the top two openers considered from his state side imo. Pucovski and Maddinson are far more likely than him to succeed at test level - so is Burns based based off history tbh.

He scored the most runs in the team at the highest average last time against India (258 runs at 37) in his debut series. It would've been nice if he'd cashed on a few of his starts but that's not a failure in any way. He's only played 5 tests since then. Yes he failed in England but so did Warner, Khawaja and Bancroft. Since then he's gone back to shield cricket and scored 797 runs at an average of 66. We're short on openers and he's dominated. He deserves another shot.

 

[cricketnut14]

There's a 17 man squad and no other inclusions as yet.

For me Abbott, Neser & Swepson were never in contention and that still remains the case.

My preferred XI was: Warner, Pucovski, Labuschagne, Smith, Head, Green, Paine, Cummins, Starc, Lyon, Hazelwood
with Burns, Wade & Pattinson missing out.

Is it as simple as Burns & Wade to come in or do we call another batsmen into the squad (and Wade takes Green's place or Burns misses altogether)

Now is a good opportunity to blood Green with some vacancies.

In any case Warner walks straight back in when fit and available.

 

[JackOutback]

Khawaja made a hundred in his last FC innings, and averages 90 as an opener at test level.

But yeah, not in discussion....

That was literally half his output for the season. His Shield form was pretty dire otherwise.

In terms of potential openers and their Shield averages this year, Harris (118), SMarsh (97), Whiteman (55) all went alright.

 

[eth-dog]

That was literally half his output for the season. His Shield form was pretty dire otherwise.

In terms of potential openers and their Shield averages this year, Harris (118), SMarsh (97), Whiteman (55) all went alright.

480-odd runs in his past 10 Shield games for the Koala

 

[Tippett2Goal]

Khawaja made a hundred in his last FC innings, and averages 90 as an opener at test level.

But yeah, not in discussion....

On the same pitch that Renshaw ended on 150+ no?

To go with his previous scores of how many less than 10?

Khawaja is not in the discussion.

Edit: I'll do the research for you
last 10 FC innings
Khawaja : 131, 46*, 4, 41, 4 , 9, 2, 30, 4, 56
Whiteman: 14 ,4, 118, 114, 65, 18, 51, 110, 53, 4
SMarsh: 135, 115, 88, 6, 31, 110*, 41, 20, 0, 0

Burns: 4, 0 , 10, 11, 29, 0, 7, 93, 12, 4

 

[JackOutback]

480-odd runs in his past 10 Shield games for the Koala

I was just looking at this year. That said, the roads dished up make it hard for a genuine assessment.

 

[eth-dog]

I was just looking at this year. That said, the roads dished up make it hard for a genuine assessment.

I actually was being generous. 428 runs in his past 10 games, average of 28.

 

[Jamurp]

What’s the go with Renshaw? Has he just had a drop in form over the past few seasons? Looked really promising early, still think he’ll made the side again at some point, but a bit of a shame he isn’t ready to go now.

No idea who we’ll be going with now, maybe Bancroft can play that Joe Denly, eat up some overs, role (terrible idea).

 

[cricketnut14]

If we are looking outside the current test squad named, this is what we have to choose from, unless picking a debutant.

Plenty of top order batsmen have been tried.

Only Patterson & Khawaja ave 40+.

Other batsmen to have played test cricket and bat in top 7:

Harris
Bancroft
Renshaw (1 test ton)
Doolan
Maddinson
Finch
S.Marsh * experience (6 test tons)
Khawaja * experience (8 test tons)

Handscomb (2 test tons)
Patterson (1 test ton) and bradmenesque average
Cartwright
Henriques
M.Marsh (2 test tons) (please no)
Maxwell (1 test ton)
Agar
Nevill

 

[Chaisa]

What’s the go with Renshaw? Has he just had a drop in form over the past few seasons? Looked really promising early, still think he’ll made the side again at some point, but a bit of a shame he isn’t ready to go now.

No idea who we’ll be going with now, maybe Bancroft can play that Joe Denly, eat up some overs, role (terrible idea).

Had two awful Shield seasons in a row, he's since moved to the middle order. Gonna be a while before he comes back I think.

 

[cricketnut14]

What’s the go with Renshaw? Has he just had a drop in form over the past few seasons? Looked really promising early, still think he’ll made the side again at some point, but a bit of a shame he isn’t ready to go now.

No idea who we’ll be going with now, maybe Bancroft can play that Joe Denly, eat up some overs, role (terrible idea).

it's funny how this time 3 years ago, many were wanting bancroft to be our test wicket keeper as well.

 

[big_e]

On the same pitch that Renshaw ended on 150+ no?

To go with his previous scores of how many less than 10?

Khawaja is not in the discussion.

Edit: I'll do the research for you
last 10 FC innings
Khawaja : 131, 46*, 4, 41, 4 , 9, 2, 30, 4, 56
Whiteman: 14 ,4, 118, 114, 65, 18, 51, 110, 53, 4
SMarsh: 135, 115, 88, 6, 31, 110*, 41, 20, 0, 0

Burns: 4, 0 , 10, 11, 29, 0, 7, 93, 12, 4

Anyone can play that game. Whiteman and Marsh got their runs in the same pitch that Moises Henriques looked like Bradman on, so we'll discount those.

And Khawaja got his runs on the same pitch that Marnus got a duck and 14 on, yes. And that Tassie were bowled out for 150 on.

You've also thrown in innings from as far back as February, which wouldn't particularly count.

Khawaja has scored almost 3,000 test runs, and has been particularly successful as a test opener. He averages 53 in Australia.

I'd say that's far more relevant that Sam Whiteman's month-long purple patch.

 

[Ducky Tie]

Hard to know how to much read into this team. I know they've picked it from the original A squad that was named, but I tend to think if Wade's spot was vulnerable, they would have brought him in to give him a chance to make some runs. Langer said on Monday that it was an option to bring players into the A squad to give them a hit.

 

[Voice of the G]

Anyone can play that game. Whiteman and Marsh got their runs in the same pitch that Moises Henriques looked like Bradman on, so we'll discount those.

And Khawaja got his runs on the same pitch that Marnus got a duck and 14 on, yes. And that Tassie were bowled out for 150 on.

You've also thrown in innings from as far back as February, which wouldn't particularly count.

Khawaja has scored almost 3,000 test runs, and has been particularly successful as a test opener. He averages 53 in Australia.

I'd say that's far more relevant that Sam Whiteman's month-long purple patch.

At least they have had a chance to play shield cricket,looking at Finch and Maxwell's details they have only played T20 or 1 day cricket since October last year.Shield cricket should or even a couple of Australia A games should be played while the test matches are on and give these guys a chance to push for test selection.

 

[JackOutback]

Hard to know how to much read into this team. I know they've picked it from the original A squad that was named, but I tend to think if Wade's spot was vulnerable, they would have brought him in to give him a chance to make some runs. Langer said on Monday that it was an option to bring players into the A squad to give them a hit.

If Warner and Pucovski are unavailable, then wade is a deadset guarantee to play. He was only vulnerable to the irrepressible form of Pucovski and Green.

 

[anchor man]

I'm picking my best 11 and I don't have Lyon or Paine.

Paine is a good keeper, but Carey is a superstar and needs to play.

Glad it is only "your" best team.

 

[frankrizzo]

People at Bigfooty love their crazy teams that will never get picked don't they?

Back in reality they will pick burns and harris for the first test and those two are basically in a one or two test race to to be warners partner for the rest of the summer.

 

[Belnakor]

Well that A team basically has S.Marsh's papers stamped which has to be a good thing.

 

[Kram]

With a gun held to my head I think give Harris another go over Burnsey.

 

[Belnakor]

With a gun held to my head I think give Harris another go over Burnsey.

If he fails again we couldn't possibly play him.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Hard to know how to much read into this team. I know they've picked it from the original A squad that was named, but I tend to think if Wade's spot was vulnerable, they would have brought him in to give him a chance to make some runs. Langer said on Monday that it was an option to bring players into the A squad to give them a hit.

I reckon that means Green is still out of the team. Neither Head or Wade playing means they're both locks so the only way Green plays is if someone is pushed up the order to open. If they were going to do that to Wade/Lab/Paine you'd think they'd give them the chance to open in this game for some experience.

 

[Footy Smarts]

With a gun held to my head I think give Harris another go over Burnsey.

To his credit Harris looked way more comfortable against the newish ball than Burns or Pucovski. He's weak against spin though.

 

[deanc]

People at Bigfooty love their crazy teams that will never get picked don't they?

Back in reality they will pick burns and harris for the first test and those two are basically in a one or two test race to to be warners partner for the rest of the summer.

I doubt it's pure coincidence that Harris and Burns will open together in the forthcoming Australia A match but I won't deny other speculative opinions which include some very creative selection suggestions - at the very least it's fun reading...

 

[anchor man]

I reckon that means Green is still out of the team. Neither Head or Wade playing means they're both locks so the only way Green plays is if someone is pushed up the order to open. If they were going to do that to Wade/Lab/Paine you'd think they'd give them the chance to open in this game for some experience.

I don't think much can be read into his inclusion in this side.More experience against world class bowlers.Great experience for him.
Also will give him another few stints at he bowling crease.
Burns will open, regardless.Who is his partner, who know.A few days ago it was a race to pick one.Now it coule be anyone playing as a batsman in 1st class cricket in Oz.
Harris has done it before.

 

[eth-dog]

I don't think much can be read into his inclusion in this side.More experience against world class bowlers.Great experience for him.
Also will give him another few stints at he bowling crease.
Burns will open, regardless.Who is his partner, who know.A few days ago it was a race to pick one.Now it coule be anyone playing as a batsman in 1st class cricket in Oz.
Harris has done it before.

I'm very sure Burns, Harris and Maddinson will be the top 3 for the A game. If Burns fails again and the other two bat well together, well...