Our best 22 - Post Draft

[Kaiser Powser]

i like him but who does he force out of my side given the need for team balance?

Lonergan is a must, he would be selected before Prismall, Myers, Lovett-Murray for starters.

 

[efcboy]

Where is your small shut down defender?

myers - doesn't shirk the issue in a contest, has pace, is better overhead than slattery and has better skills.

in 09 i have myers taking slattery's position in an ideal world.

 

[efcboy]

Lonergan is a must, he would be selected before Prismall, Myers, Lovett-Murray for starters.

prismall has more class than lonergan. lonergan i've not seen play much in defence so can't see him taking myers spot - i'd have slattery ahead. lovett-murray is there as i mentioned earlier for flexibility as he can play anywhere.

if lonergan was going to take a position it would have to be one of lovett, reimers, monfries, houli but i rate them all better.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

myers - doesn't shirk the issue in a contest, has pace, is better overhead than slattery and has better skills.

in 09 i have myers taking slattery's position in an ideal world.

Myers isn't a shut-down defender, he's a creative defender/midfielder.

 

[efcboy]

Myers isn't a shut-down defender, he's a creative defender/midfielder.

because he is skilful/creative does this mean he can't take slattery's role. i think he can defend just as well albeit being better from an attacking point of view.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

because he is skilful/creative does this mean he can't take slattery's role. i think he can defend just as well albeit being better from an attacking point of view.

So could Spike, so could Woosha, so could Jimmy a couple of years ago. It's a waste though. Myers is better served on a flank, creating the play.

 

[Sigmund]

I'm with Ben here Efcboy.. Myers is not a shut-down defender.. Slats has done more than enough (or at least more than anyone else) in that role to deserve it come round 1 next year.

 

[foj1]

First year draftees in our best 22......

Daniel Rich- certainly and Chris Yarran would have been I think.
Hurley is mature bodied but there are a few in front of him as talls if all is fit.

 

[Tambu]

Daniel Rich- certainly and Chris Yarran would have been I think.
Hurley is mature bodied but there are a few in front of him as talls if all is fit.

Heck, Bryce Gibbs was put straight into the leadership group at Carrrrlton in his first year.

 

[Enki]

B: Henry Slattery - Dustin Fletcher - Nathan Lovett-Murray
HB: David Myers - Paddy Ryder - Courtenay Dempsey
C: Sam Lonergan - Jobe Watson - Brent Stanton
HF: Adam McPhee - Scott Lucas - Angus Monfries
F: Alwyn Davey - Matthew Lloyd - Leroy Jetta
FOLL: David Hille - Andrew Welsh - Mark McVeigh

I/C: Jason Laycock - Andrew Lovett - Kyle Reimers - Bachar Houli

Even though I want NLM replaced by either Hurley or Pears depending on how we would shuffle around our back line I think on work ethic and runs on the board he is still a starter (but I hope our young kids put pressure on him soon). Also while Lovett is one of our more talented players I have him starting on the bench as I don't rate his work rate highly and prefer someone like Lonergan to get us going early, but I concede most would disagree and prefer Lovett's speed in the center to start.

 

[Smyth94]

prismall has more class than lonergan. lonergan i've not seen play much in defence so can't see him taking myers spot - i'd have slattery ahead. lovett-murray is there as i mentioned earlier for flexibility as he can play anywhere.

if lonergan was going to take a position it would have to be one of lovett, reimers, monfries, houli but i rate them all better.

Prismall plays completely different to Lonergan; I can guarantee you, if fit, Lonergan will play 22 games next season.

 

[Andre 2000]

We need more Sam Lonergans and less Andrew Lovetts. Absolutely no question about it.

Lonergan is so crucial to our setup! So are "Buddha" Hocking, McVeigh, Welsh, Watson, Slattery, Myers, McPhee, Reimers and Hille.

It's vitally important this group of players stays fit for the majority of the season. Otherwise our centre starts to look a little soft. Our worst losses seemed to come when missing some of these types last season.

 

[rusman]

Quick attempt at round 1 team open to suggestions. Theres some easy switches that could occur for example nash for any of the emg and lonergan on the ground. Also heard mcveigh is injured atm dont no how serious it is.

FB Pears, Tayte Fletcher, Dustin Slattery, Henry

HB Houli, Bachar Ryder, Patrick Dempsey, Courtenay

C Stanton, Brent Watson, Jobe Reimers, Kyle

HF Lovett, Andrew Lucas, Scott McPhee, Adam

FF Davey, Alwyn Lloyd, Matthew J. Monfries, Angus

R Hille, David Welsh, Andrew McVeigh, Mark

Int Laycock, Jason, Myers, David, Lonergan, Sam, Nash, Jay

Emg Gumbleton, Scott, Hurley, Michael, Jetta, Leroy, Neagle, Jay

Injured
Winderlich, Jason
Prismall, Brent

Others on the list
Atkinson, Jarrod
Bellchambers, Tom
Daniher, Darcy
Dyson, Ricky
Hocking, Heath
Hooker, Cale
Lovett-Murray, Nathan
Slattery, Tyson
Still, Michael
Williams, John
Zaharakis, David

 

[jetta2davey]

Just have to say a few things:

Winderlich is very overrated on this forum, others such as Prismall, Dempsey, and Jetta should all get game time before Winders does, granted he's a gut runner, but not much more. He's quite soft, gets knocked off the ball too easily, and his skills aren't all that flash. Good depth player. Not in best 22.

NLM should not be in the team, very replaceable. Very ordinary defensive skills and decision making. Not in best 22

Slattery adds a lot of grunt and a competitive edge, but just looking at the list over the last couple of days made me realize that his spot will go to a more talented player. Not in best 22

Jay Nash, is servicable but will lose his spot i feel, most likely to Myers. Not in best 22.


I'll put my effort up later tonight.

 

[bomberstomake8]

Just have to say a few things:

Winderlich is very overrated on this forum, others such as Prismall, Dempsey, and Jetta should all get game time before Winders does, granted he's a gut runner, but not much more. He's quite soft, gets knocked off the ball too easily, and his skills aren't all that flash. Good depth player. Not in best 22.

NLM should not be in the team, very replaceable. Very ordinary defensive skills and decision making. Not in best 22

Slattery adds a lot of grunt and a competitive edge, but just looking at the list over the last couple of days made me realize that his spot will go to a more talented player. Not in best 22

Jay Nash, is servicable but will lose his spot i feel, most likely to Myers. Not in best 22.


I'll put my effort up later tonight.

gotta say i disagree with you a fair bit. i disagree that winderlich is overrated. he is a good player definately best 22 the key though is to only play him when he is fit, he has shown that when he isnt 100% he isnt up to league football but when he is he can be very damaging, if he is fit he is in our best 22.

i agree with NLM, his spot will be taken my myers imo, he can provide very good run out of defensive 50 but myers is a better defender and has better skills so he will take over from NLM.

you really underrate slattery, imo he is one of our most important players, we got annihilated by medium and small defenders last season, medhurst, motlop etc. slattery is our best small defender and is crucial to our set up. he is definately in our best 22.

jay nash is alright and he seemed to get better as the season progressed. still isnt in my best 22, dempsey takes nash's spot imo.

FB: Slattery, Fletcher, Pears
CHB: Dempsey, Ryder, Houli
C: Stanton, Watson, Riemers
CHF: Monfries, Lucas, Gumbelton
FF: Jetta, Lloyd, Davey
RR: Hille, Welsh, Mcveigh
Int: Laycock, Myers, Lonergan, Lovett
Em: Hurley, Neagle, Winderlich

Prismall to play a bit of reserves footy until he gets right

 

[bomba4eva]

I'll feel a lot more comfortable when Slattery is all but a distant memory from the Essendon team. Heart of gold but simply does not have the talent. Would love to be proved wrong but cannot see it happening. We've now had plenty of time to build a team capable of sustained success and now all we need to do is pump games into them. Feel that Lucas may be joining Fletcher in retirement next season. Lloyd should be able to go at least 2 more years and I wouldn't be surprised if he can push out 1 or 2 more after that. Hoping to see Hurley in the team Round 1 but no doubt we'll see plenty of the kids in the NAB Cup anyway giving us a chance to analyse which players may be ready to play in Round 1.

I've thrown in a whole bunch of random thoughts there and will get to making a team in the near future. I am extremely optimistic about the group we have now and expect us to predominantly draft midfielders with our first pick at least for the next couple of seasons.

 

[bomberstomake8]

I'll feel a lot more comfortable when Slattery is all but a distant memory from the Essendon team. Heart of gold but simply does not have the talent. Would love to be proved wrong but cannot see it happening. We've now had plenty of time to build a team capable of sustained success and now all we need to do is pump games into them. Feel that Lucas may be joining Fletcher in retirement next season. Lloyd should be able to go at least 2 more years and I wouldn't be surprised if he can push out 1 or 2 more after that. Hoping to see Hurley in the team Round 1 but no doubt we'll see plenty of the kids in the NAB Cup anyway giving us a chance to analyse which players may be ready to play in Round 1.

I've thrown in a whole bunch of random thoughts there and will get to making a team in the near future. I am extremely optimistic about the group we have now and expect us to predominantly draft midfielders with our first pick at least for the next couple of seasons.

firstly i dont get why people dont rate slattery he is very important to our side, but i wont go into that again.

secondly what are peoples obsessions with lucas's retirement? why is he likely to retire the same time as fletcher, he is the same age as lloyd has probably been more durable over the course of their careers, has probably had better form of late considering the last time he was fit he kicked 7 goals in a quarter. do people think he just wont be able to play after his knee injury? or have they forgotten the scott lucas we all loved 12 months ago?


lucas is vital to our side, all he needs to do is take 5 or 6 marks within 55m of goal and that will convert into 4-6 goals. he is as good as they come when it comes to goal kicking, can still take a very good mark and by the time 2009 starts he will be near full fitness. lucas will slot 60+ goals next season and will retire around the time lloyd does

 

[Skeeta Olly]

firstly i dont get why people dont rate slattery he is very important to our side, but i wont go into that again.

secondly what are peoples obsessions with lucas's retirement? why is he likely to retire the same time as fletcher, he is the same age as lloyd has probably been more durable over the course of their careers, has probably had better form of late considering the last time he was fit he kicked 7 goals in a quarter. do people think he just wont be able to play after his knee injury? or have they forgotten the scott lucas we all loved 12 months ago?


lucas is vital to our side, all he needs to do is take 5 or 6 marks within 55m of goal and that will convert into 4-6 goals. he is as good as they come when it comes to goal kicking, can still take a very good mark and by the time 2009 starts he will be near full fitness. lucas will slot 60+ goals next season and will retire around the time lloyd does

I agree with the point you make, about Lucas being very important to the set up of our team, and it showed that he was missed for the start of the '08 season.

One reason that people may be thinking 'Lucas = out' may be because they don't want him to "retire around the time lloyd does" as it will leave a huge hole in the forward line, and two reaonalbly unexperienced players to fill it.

Due to people questioning Lucas' ability to run out a game, or evolve with the game like Lloyd has in the '08 season, has him out of the side, and a new up and comer such as a Neagle, Gumbleton (or Still) taking his position in the side. People, including me, want to see the older players in the forwrad line help out the younger ones, and Lloyd, being also captian, seems to be the perfect fit for that role.

Being Captian, also has the 'advantage' over Lucas.

Lucas is not done and dusted yet, with a good/decent '09 season, we could squeeze a respectable couple of years out fo him.

As for our best 22 Post Draft, i'll wait till all drafts (PSD & Rookie) are over to commit to thinking about it. Even though this might not have any effect on my opinion

 

[saladin]

everyone is entitled to their opinion, but anyone who doesn't have lonergan in the side is off their ****ing rocker!

this is my round 1 side after 35 seconds thought:

Fletcher Pears Slattery
Dempsey Ryder Myers
Lovett Lonergan Stanton
Monfries Lucas Reimers
Davey Lloyd Jetta


Hille, Mcveigh, Watson

Welsh, Laycock, Houli, Mcphee.


looking quickly at that, i really want Neagle in there too. we have some serious depth in our youth now, and an uninjured list could field an incredible bendigo side.


Atkinson Hurley Cramieri
Slattery Hooker Zaharakis
Winders Hocking Williams
Daniher Gumby Magin
Still Neagle Lovett-murry


Bellchambers Prismall Dyson

rookie, rookie, rookie, quinn.

 

[Smyth94]

Just have to say a few things:

Winderlich is very overrated on this forum, others such as Prismall, Dempsey, and Jetta should all get game time before Winders does, granted he's a gut runner, but not much more. He's quite soft, gets knocked off the ball too easily, and his skills aren't all that flash. Good depth player. Not in best 22.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha...Winderlich is the most UNDERRATED player on this forum by a mile, its as if people have erased 2007 out of their collective memories.

Fit Winderlich = best 18, let alone 22

 

[kaskine]

FB Hurley, Michael Fletcher, Dustin Slattery, Henry

HB Lovett, Andrew Ryder, Patrick Dempsey, Courtenay

C Stanton, Brent Watson, Jobe Houli, Bachar

HF Reimers, Kyle,Lucas, Scott McPhee, Adam

FF Davey, Alwyn Lloyd, Matthew J. Monfries, Angus

R Hille, David Welsh, Andrew McVeigh, Mark

Int Bellchambers, Tom, Myers, David, Lonergan, Sam, Nash, Jay

Emg Gumbleton, Scott, Jetta, Leroy, Neagle, Jay Pears, Tayte

Injured
Winderlich, Jason
Prismall, Brent

Others on the list
Atkinson, Jarrod
Daniher, Darcy
Dyson, Ricky
Hocking, Heath
Hooker, Cale
Lovett-Murray, Nathan
Slattery, Tyson
Still, Michael
Williams, John
Zaharakis, David

 

[bomberstomake8]

I agree with the point you make, about Lucas being very important to the set up of our team, and it showed that he was missed for the start of the '08 season.

One reason that people may be thinking 'Lucas = out' may be because they don't want him to "retire around the time lloyd does" as it will leave a huge hole in the forward line, and two reaonalbly unexperienced players to fill it.

Due to people questioning Lucas' ability to run out a game, or evolve with the game like Lloyd has in the '08 season, has him out of the side, and a new up and comer such as a Neagle, Gumbleton (or Still) taking his position in the side. People, including me, want to see the older players in the forwrad line help out the younger ones, and Lloyd, being also captian, seems to be the perfect fit for that role.

Being Captian, also has the 'advantage' over Lucas.

Lucas is not done and dusted yet, with a good/decent '09 season, we could squeeze a respectable couple of years out fo him.

As for our best 22 Post Draft, i'll wait till all drafts (PSD & Rookie) are over to commit to thinking about it. Even though this might not have any effect on my opinion

does a choice need to be made between lucas and lloyd though? can we not keep two of our club champions and leaders in the same team... i agree that they could limit the experience of our young KP players however i think a good team needs experience at each line. once fletcher retires our backline will be almost the most inexperienced in the league what i would be thinking would be to give lucas one more year down forward and as long as lloyd keeps up his form and neagle and gumbelton show enough to be considered genuine forwards then move lucas into the backline where he can mentor the likes of hurley pears and ryder.

i dont think he needs to retire just because we have another good leader around the same age in lloyd, i think their roles just need to be managed to enable gumbelton, hurley, pears, neagle, ryder to gain valid experience

 

[Skeeta Olly]

give lucas one more year down forward and as long as lloyd keeps up his form and neagle and gumbelton show enough to be considered genuine

I don't believe Lucas is done and dusted just yet, nor is Lloyd. I do, to an extent, agree with your opinion quoted above.

move lucas into the backline where he can mentor the likes of hurley pears and ryder.

This, i do not agree with.

 

[Burzum]

Just have to say a few things:

Winderlich is very overrated on this forum, others such as Prismall, Dempsey, and Jetta should all get game time before Winders does, granted he's a gut runner, but not much more. He's quite soft, gets knocked off the ball too easily, and his skills aren't all that flash. Good depth player. Not in best 22.

He's underrated. I'd take him over most of our mids when fit.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

He's underrated. I'd take him over most of our mids when fit.

This. He's a great player to watch, and walks into our starting 18, let alone 22.

I really hope he sorts his back out, because it would be such a shame to see such a talent be wasted.