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Saintbloke said:
Armo, Dunstan, Stevens, Steele..all strong hard nuts but not fast. Gresh is highly skilled, but again no speedster, so we do need more leg speed in the midfield- fast accelerators who can maintain speed over a distance.
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Gresham was very good acceleration.

He certainly brings something different, what we need. But he can't do it for long enough or strong enough.
 
JG22 said:
Gresham was very good acceleration.

He certainly brings something different, what we need. But he can't do it for long enough or strong enough.
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He's 20 he's not like an Avatar in a video game. He can get better.
 
Some people are born sprinters, others are one-paced stayers.. it's just the way we are. You can improve a person's running ability, but you can't change their body. Jack Steven has good acceleration and run, but we need another with that speed, but has the inside grunt too- hard to find, but it will make a big difference if we can recruit that type.
 

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Saintbloke said:
Some people are born sprinters, others are one-paced stayers.. it's just the way we are. You can improve a person's running ability, but you can't change their body. Jack Steven has good acceleration and run, but we need another with that speed, but has the inside grunt too- hard to find, but it will make a big difference if we can recruit that type.
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or get freeman on the track.
 
RoundCubic said:
Mckenzie over Touk look pretty bad right now

Edit: Mckenzie was drafted with many of the characteristics we need linebreaking, defensive, elite kicking. He needs to find confidence he's looked good in games where he's started running.
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Maybe, but Touk isn't anything we don't really have. He hasn't greatly improved and Dunstans probably now better than him.
 

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Saintbloke said:
Some people are born sprinters, others are one-paced stayers.. it's just the way we are. You can improve a person's running ability, but you can't change their body. Jack Steven has good acceleration and run, but we need another with that speed, but has the inside grunt too- hard to find, but it will make a big difference if we can recruit that type.
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Paddy Dow fits that bill.
 
stfan said:
I have never seen the elite kicking on display.
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It's like junior footy, some kids train like they are elite and shit themselves once the game starts because the brain doesn't keep up with the skills. I think he rushes his disposal under pressure but probably does kick well with out pressure. That could improve with age though, that's the thing about 50 games, you kind of adjust to the tempo. I have spoken to an ex AFL player who said that the pace difference from VFL to AFL is unbelievable, you literally have to play on instinct and not think first.
 
It's interesting going into next year. Seems pretty clear that our best chance of significant improvement is through the midfield. Steele, Dunstan, Acres, Sinclair - which of these guys can take the next step? They've all shown theyre capable in my opinion.

Seb showed over the past two seasons what hard work can do. His rise has been rapid. If that group all went down the same path then suddenly we are contending.
 
JG22 said:
Maybe, but Touk isn't anything we don't really have. He hasn't greatly improved and Dunstans probably now better than him.
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The thing is , Dunstan hasn't improved much, he's gone way backwards for a couple of seasons, then improved on that backwards position , to wind up slightly better than he was in his first season.
300 disposals in his first season, 346 in 2017. ( so 2 per game better for 22 average per game ).
He's on 69 games now, ( i assume his girlfriend rewarded him after the game ).

Touk doesn't necessarily get more of the ball, and he's erratic as hell, but when he plays well he wins a lot more of the contested ball than Dunstan does.
 
SaintsSeptember said:
The thing is , Dunstan hasn't improved much, he's gone way backwards for a couple of seasons, then improved on that backwards position , to wind up slightly better than he was in his first season.
300 disposals in his first season, 346 in 2017. ( so 2 per game better for 22 average per game ).
He's on 69 games now, ( i assume his girlfriend rewarded him after the game ).

Touk doesn't necessarily get more of the ball, and he's erratic as hell, but when he plays well he wins a lot more of the contested ball than Dunstan does.
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Yes, obviously Dunstan has been a slight disappointment in the last few years. I don’t think there’s much between them.

Look at Dunstans last 6 weeks of the year though, has the potential to be a very good player.
 

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Saintbloke said:
Some people are born sprinters, others are one-paced stayers.. it's just the way we are. You can improve a person's running ability, but you can't change their body. Jack Steven has good acceleration and run, but we need another with that speed, but has the inside grunt too- hard to find, but it will make a big difference if we can recruit that type.
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i thought that but both Seb and Sinclair seem to have increased their speed with training. It guess there are some guys who just can't ever built the aerobic capacity though.
 
gringo2011 said:
It's like junior footy, some kids train like they are elite and shit themselves once the game starts because the brain doesn't keep up with the skills. I think he rushes his disposal under pressure but probably does kick well with out pressure. That could improve with age though, that's the thing about 50 games, you kind of adjust to the tempo. I have spoken to an ex AFL player who said that the pace difference from VFL to AFL is unbelievable, you literally have to play on instinct and not think first.
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Jack Sinclair is the one who excites me the most in this regard. When (not if) his engine and body gets big enough, and he has tucked 70 games under his belt, he will transform into a silky smooth midfield extractor. He’s certainly well on his way now, and we can all see what he is capable of when he has time and space. He’s just going to get a little bit better at his delivery and a whole lot more consistent.
 
CursingFijian said:
Jack Sinclair is the one who excites me the most in this regard. When (not if) his engine and body gets big enough, and he has tucked 70 games under his belt, he will transform into a silky smooth midfield extractor. He’s certainly well on his way now, and we can all see what he is capable of when he has time and space. He’s just going to get a little bit better at his delivery and a whole lot more consistent.
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He is already very good, I'd love to see him get his possession count a little higher but he does so well with most of his touches they are better than some high possession games from others. I hope we don't try to make him too inside because he's so clean it's a waste. You can use a grunt extractor to dig it out and let JS set up the forwards with his precision.
 
Significant scope for improvement in our midfield next year.

If we just get Stuv and Armo back at full fitness and form we're likely to be well ahead and then if we get any of the young ones (like Steele, Dunstan, Acres, Sincs, Freeman etc) really step it up in a big way on top of that, we could be in pretty serious business, all things being equal.
 
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aussierulesrules said:
Significant scope for improvement in our midfield next year.

If we just get Stuv and Armo back at full fitness and form we're likely to be well ahead and then if we get any of the young ones (like Steele, Dunstan, Acres, Sincs, Freeman etc) really step it up in a big way on top of that, we could be in pretty serious business, all things being equal.
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Like his recent seasons, Armo could start with a bang then fizzle out as the year goes on- and as he gets older he is not going to turn into a new player. Steven needs to basically pull his finger out and work harder at breaking tags- as far as I'm concerned, if you get selected and start on the ground then you should be fit enough to play your best footy.
 
Saintbloke said:
as far as I'm concerned, if you get selected and start on the ground then you should be fit enough to play your best footy.
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Well that's a nice dream, but in reality it's fanciful to expect those who are playing injured to play their best footy consistently, or to expect teams to only pick those who are fit enough to play their best footy.

They're not machines and even if they were, even machines don't run properly if a part of them is broken or needing replacing.
 
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