Our next top 4 side

[Big Red is back]

Backs: (a) -Jammo - (b)
H Backs:Scotland - Bower - Walker
Centres:Simpson - Stevens - Gibbs
H F: Waite -(d) - (e)
F: Betts - Fevola - Houlihan
R: Special K - Judd - Murphy
B:Hampson - Fisher* - Carazzo**-(c)

* In a top 4 side he needs to come off the bench
** Could be useful in the midfield roations

(a) - (e) all require rapid development or someone not on our list

(d) - Maybe Hartlett - must play every game for the rest of the year
(a) - Maybe Armfield need to see more of him
(b) - Maybe Grigg he has the height speed and skill
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For us to be a top 4 contender we cannot carry more than one of

- Bentick, Browne, Russell, Edwards, Cloke ( I have assumed in the next yr or two K and H will move ahead of him)

Upon reflection T-bird could be on the bench.

The more you think about it our drafting has been terrible. With the exception of the number 1 and 2 picks who the hell have we drafted that shows potential to be a star?? At best Grigg, Hampson, Browne, Armfield, Austin, Anderson, Russell etc will be ok AFL footballers but I see no future stars.

 

[choo]

Agree in principal, however i would look at Fisher and Carrazzo.
a top four side would not play these guys.
Fisher has earned points for playing during the dark days but is incapable of improving.
His kicking is woeful and his skills below his knees are not up to it. Compare him to Steve Johnson, Mark Williams and Robert Murphy; these are the lead up forwards in the top 4.
Carrazzo has peaked also. Carrazzo gets a lot of the ball because the opposition don't care!!
Too slow for midfield, turns over too much, too slow for back pocket.
Same boat as Fisher deserves credit for the dark days but its time to move on.
We won't be top four until they are out.
In my opinion the crucial holes are;
back pocket specialist kicker , eg Drummond from Lions
CHB tall mobile athletic
HFF goal kicker who is tall but very mobile or plays tall.
Ruck will happen but will take a while.
We can be top 4 if we get the other 3 we can't win a flag until we fix all 4

 

[Jamo #1]

Like the look of what you had as a team. Carrazzo and Fisher are two players that have been terrific for us in the past. It might be time for us to trade them if we can.

I agree that in a top four side they would either come of the bench or not be there at all. So while they are in our best 22 at the moment - what could we get for them that would improve our side?

Think Grigg is worth persisting with. Start of the year i cringed when he got the ball. But he has developed - starting to realise he can play at this level.

Need another smart goal kicking half forward with some pace who is dangerous. At one stage last night we had Fev, Eddy and Kruezer on the bench and i had no idea who was going to kick a goal for us.

We also need to fill the gaps you mentioned. Although Armfield will be good.

 

[Juddanaught]

B. Thorton Jaminson Armfield
HB. Bower Austin Walker
C. Simpson Stevens Gibbs
R. Hampson Judd Murphy
HF. Houlihan Hartlett Waite
F. Betts Fevola Fisher

Int. Hadley, Bentick, Kruezer, Scotland

 

[carlton 4ever]

FB.Jamo ? ?

CHB. Bower Austin Thornton

C Gibbs Murphy waite

CHF ? ? Scotland

FF Betts ? Fisher

Rucks Kruezer Judd Stevens

Bench Hampson Simpson Walker armfield


alot of people might not be able to accept this but we havent recruted very well at all, and that the up coming draft is very important. we must bring a back pocket who can go with small crumbing forwards, a full back who can consistantly go with gorillas.(although jamo is very good but i think his game is more suited to leading forwards and gets exposed by someone with good body work).

we need to prepare for stevens age catching up with him and hopfully pick up a gun mid.

and finnaly our forward line needs to be addressed and ( alot will disagree) but i think we need to trade fevola. the main reaon is that it will be hard to develop other forwards with him demanding the football (look at kennedy). i think we should trade him and attempt to get a high first rounder. yes this will delay our push to the finals but say if we got hurly our defence would look tough to break and then we can possibly nab mckhernan with our second first rounder.

i think hartlett would make a better full forward than center half forward as well so he might be able to fill fevs spot

 

[TrentM]

B P.Bower M.Jamison B.Thorton
HB A.Walker M.Austin
C S.Grigg N.Stevens B.Gibbs
HF M.Murphy J.Waite
F E.Betts B.Fevola
R M.Kreuzer B.Gibbs C.Judd
INT S. Hampson H.Scotland K.Simpson
A.Carrazzo
EMG J.Russell B.Fisher

 

[Mike_blues]

get rid of carrazzo
bit harsh on judging steven browne, hes just a kid only played 6 or so games
agreed with russel land bentick and edwards , max 2 out of those guys u mentioned

 

[Blueinblood]

We wont win the premiership for at least 2 more years so there will be alot of new players and alot of current players gone.

 

[kreuze_missile]

2012.

B: ???, Jamison, Bower
HB: Walker, ???, Grigg
C: ???, Stevens, ???
HF: Gibbs, ???, ???
F: Betts, Fevola, ???
Foll: Hampson, Judd, Murphy

Bench: Armfield, Kreuzer, ???, ???

Hopefully traded: Waite, Houlihan, Simpson, Carrazzo, Scotland, Thornton, Fisher

 

[stevedarui]

Backs: (a) -Jammo - (b)
H Backs:Scotland - Bower - Walker
Centres:Simpson - Stevens - Gibbs
H F: Waite -(d) - (e)
F: Betts - Fevola - Houlihan
R: Special K - Judd - Murphy
B:Hampson - Fisher* - Carazzo**-(c)

* In a top 4 side he needs to come off the bench
** Could be useful in the midfield roations

(a) - (e) all require rapid development or someone not on our list

(d) - Maybe Hartlett - must play every game for the rest of the year
(a) - Maybe Armfield need to see more of him
(b) - Maybe Grigg he has the height speed and skill
=============
For us to be a top 4 contender we cannot carry more than one of

- Bentick, Browne, Russell, Edwards, Cloke ( I have assumed in the next yr or two K and H will move ahead of him)

If we are to be a top 4 side Houlihan cannot be there.

 

[Bluebear]

Hopefully traded: Waite, Houlihan, Simpson, Carrazzo, Scotland, Thornton, Fisher

Oh dear.

 

[Blue Dimension]

2012.

B: ???, Jamison, Bower
HB: Walker, ???, Grigg
C: ???, Stevens, ???
HF: Gibbs, ???, ???
F: Betts, Fevola, ???
Foll: Hampson, Judd, Murphy

Bench: Armfield, Kreuzer, ???, ???

Hopefully traded: Waite, Houlihan, Simpson, Carrazzo, Scotland, Thornton, Fisher

If Grigg is in our 2012 team, and Waite, Simpson and Thornton aren't then i'll repeatedly smash half a dozen eggs on my face one after the other.

 

[kreuze_missile]

Oh dear.

We need to offload the "Victorian Team Representative Superstar" while he still has some market value. Hopefully other clubs are a bit slow and haven't worked out that he is absolutely useless (im looking at you Fremantle). He cant play in defence and he is useless up forward. On top of this his clangers have cost us at least 10 goals this year, and his effort in the 4th quarter vs the Saints closed the door on our finals hopes.

 

[The Coach]

Backs: (a) -Jammo - (b)
H Backs:Scotland - Bower - Walker
Centres:Simpson - Stevens - Gibbs
H F: Waite -(d) - (e)
F: Betts - Fevola - Houlihan
R: Special K - Judd - Murphy
B:Hampson - Fisher* - Carazzo**-(c)

* In a top 4 side he needs to come off the bench
** Could be useful in the midfield roations

(a) - (e) all require rapid development or someone not on our list

(d) - Maybe Hartlett - must play every game for the rest of the year
(a) - Maybe Armfield need to see more of him
(b) - Maybe Grigg he has the height speed and skill
=============
For us to be a top 4 contender we cannot carry more than one of

- Bentick, Browne, Russell, Edwards, Cloke ( I have assumed in the next yr or two K and H will move ahead of him)

Not too many arguments here.
Can't have Hoops
If Harts is a chance for key forward then I still give Carlos a chance to be key back (also allowing for fact we are talking Top4 not premiership)
I am unsure about Fish - more sure about Arms and Grigg
Thornton has got to be some chance
As much as I like him - can't see Clokey there even if he is still only a 23yo Big and the other three will need a lot of luck
(swap Gibbsy and Stevo)
Austin who knows?

 

[Bluebear]

We need to offload the "Victorian Team Representative Superstar" while he still has some market value. Hopefully other clubs are a bit slow and haven't worked out that he is absolutely useless (im looking at you Fremantle). He cant play in defence and he is useless up forward. On top of this his clangers have cost us at least 10 goals this year, and his effort in the 4th quarter vs the Saints closed the door on our finals hopes.

Yet his ability to completely shut down Richo last week won us that game......remember Richo? Tears us up every time we play? Brownlow medal form apparently...........Waite has had exactly 15 games in the backline full time.

Yes, his disposal isn't reliable, but trade?
Pfft, what a joke. How many guys have beaten Riewoldt one on one?

Prior to Friday night Riewoldt had lowered his colours the previous 3 times........prior to that he used to kick big bags against us.


I notice you have Fev in your side?
His efforts haven't cost us any games this year?

 

[djholmes]

FB: *NewPlayer Thornton Jamison

HB: *NewPlayer *NewPlayer *NewPlayer

C: Gibbs Stevens Scotland

HF: Walker Waite Simpson

FF: Fisher Fevola Betts

RR: Kreuzer, Judd, Murphy

Bench: Hampson, Hadley, *NewPlayer, *NewPlayer

 

[jonoman89]

B: Thornton Jamison Austin
HB: Armfield Bower HBF
C: Simpson Gibbs Stevens
HF: Walker CHF Waite
F: Betts Fevola FP

R: Kreuzer Murphy Judd

I:Hampson Grigg Fisher Scotland



HBF: could be Browne or another draft pick
CHF: Hartlett, possibly edwards, but most likely to be our 1st round pikc in this years draft
FP: i think we need another small forward like Betts. Mckinley, though not too small, would be a good acquisition


I think Fisher is only destined to be a bench/depth player if he keeps this form. Walker is fast, tall, and can take marks - perfect for a HFF moving into the centre. I think 3 talls in Waite, Fevola, and the CHF would be perfect with 3 smalls.

I see this team in top 4 in 2010-2011.

 

[Azzurri Blues]

i think hartlett would make a better full forward than center half forward as well so he might be able to fill fevs spot[/quote]

dude keep passing around the joint your smoking...

 

[Quixote]

Might come about in around 2030.


You're a team littered with two-bit hacks, wasted draft picks and Adam Bentnick. You're game-plan sells for eight bucks at Lambs ya flogs. May as well accept reality - you're shit, no one respects you, you cheat and these things will not change pretty much ever again. Judging by Friday night, half of your midfielders couldn't get a kick in a dojo. And my boy Benty - well he is surely an honorary Saint by now.



Carlton pests.

 

[Silvagnis]

Might come about in around 2030.


You're a team littered with two-bit hacks, wasted draft picks and Adam Bentnick. You're game-plan sells for eight bucks at Lambs ya flogs. May as well accept reality - you're shit, no one respects you, you cheat and these things will not change pretty much ever again. Judging by Friday night, half of your midfielders couldn't get a kick in a dojo. And my boy Benty - well he is surely an honorary Saint by now.



Carlton pests.

You're moving to Casey Fields.

That's the home ground equivalent of playing Blake, Gwilt, McQualter, the Clarke sisters, Fiora and both the Gardiners in your 22.

You have nothing to look forward to but being obsolete and a laughing stock again.

This is the future of your ruck division and forwardline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eikvzI-RtK0

 

[Quixote]

You're moving to Casey Fields.

That's the home ground equivalent of playing Blake, Gwilt, McQualter, the Clarke sisters, Fiora and both the Gardiners in your 22.

You have nothing to look forward to but being obsolete and a laughing stock again.

This is the future of your ruck division and forwardline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eikvzI-RtK0

We're moving to Frankston - FLOG

Blake, Jimmy, McQualter, X, and MG have more ticker than Carlton's last seven years of teams put together - FLOG

We have September to look forward to, which, after Friday night, you cannot say - FLOG

Time will tell, I'm very confident McEvoy will surpass that over-rated goldfish Kruezer within a year or two and leave him for dead - FLOG



St Kilda players go out and play for the colours, for the jumper. They have passion and respect in a football town that demands it.




Carlton are cheats.

It's simple - FLOG

 

[The Coach]

Might come about in around 2030.


You're a team littered with two-bit hacks, wasted draft picks and Adam Bentnick. You're game-plan sells for eight bucks at Lambs ya flogs. May as well accept reality - you're shit, no one respects you, you cheat and these things will not change pretty much ever again. Judging by Friday night, half of your midfielders couldn't get a kick in a dojo. And my boy Benty - well he is surely an honorary Saint by now.



Carlton pests.

I hope the success of your life does not ride on the Saints being successful. Benty is my boy - you can't have him

We're moving to Frankston - FLOG

lol

Blake, Jimmy, McQualter, X, and MG have more ticker than Carlton's last seven years of teams put together - FLOG

Pity they couldn't help your last 7 yrs of April champions achieve anything

We have September to look forward to, which, after Friday night, you cannot say - FLOG

More disappointment to look forward too - sad really

Time will tell, I'm very confident McEvoy will surpass that over-rated goldfish Kruezer within a year or two and leave him for dead - FLOG

Is that the same confidence you have been banking on since 1966 lol

St Kilda players go out and play for the colours, for the jumper. They have passion and respect in a football town that demands it.

ROFL



Carlton are cheats.

It's simple - FLOG

Yep you are simple

 

[Johnny Utah #9]

We're moving to Frankston - FLOG Which would make it move number what? 6? 7? You are the nomads of the AFL.

Blake, Jimmy, McQualter, X, and MG have more ticker than Carlton's last seven years of teams put together - FLOG Bunch of hacks that will never win you blokes a flag.

We have September to look forward to, which, after Friday night, you cannot say - FLOG Wow...when you actually win something in September come and talk to me. How does it feel that for 111 of your 112 years in the VFL/AFL you have just made up the numbers! Loser culture. Loser club.

Time will tell, I'm very confident McEvoy will surpass that over-rated goldfish Kruezer within a year or two and leave him for dead - FLOG Who? Let's sit down and compare in 3 years time. Until then, i'll pay some more attention when McEvoy does what Kreuzer did in the last qtr against Port.



St Kilda players go out and play for the colours, for the jumper. They have passion and respect in a football town that demands it. Is that the passion and respect that has given you 34 wooden spoons? Or the colours/jumper you seem to tinker with so often? Or how about the "passion" and "respect" your club showed Alan Jeans (your only premiership coach) and Barry Breen (a 300+ game player and premiership team member) when they ripped them off and didn't pay money that was legitimately owed to them? Money that to this day is still UNPAID!! Not to mention money owed to other creditors such as the Carlton FC....and you have the nerve to call us cheats!




Carlton are cheats.

It's simple - FLOG

St Kilda are a rabble with a loser culture
Carlton win flags

It's simple

 

[Quixote]

What Carlton don't and never will have:


SEPTEMBER


RESPECT


PRIDE


A BACKLINE


A FORWARD THAT GIVES A SHIT


GODDARD


INTEGRITY


A MIDFIELD THAT WILL NOT CRUMBLE


BUT MOSTLY...




HONOUR. YOU GUYS ARE THE PICK-POCKETS OF THE COMPETITION. YOU ARE SLEAZY AND LOW. IF WE WERE KNIGHTS OF THE ROUND TABLE, YOU WOULD BE THE DOGS UNDERNEATH IT.



SCUM.

 

[Silvagnis]

What Carlton don't and never will have:


SEPTEMBER


RESPECT


PRIDE


A BACKLINE


A FORWARD THAT GIVES A SHIT


GODDARD


INTEGRITY


A MIDFIELD THAT WILL NOT CRUMBLE


BUT MOSTLY...




HONOUR. YOU GUYS ARE THE PICK-POCKETS OF THE COMPETITION. YOU ARE SLEAZY AND LOW. IF WE WERE KNIGHTS OF THE ROUND TABLE, YOU WOULD BE THE DOGS UNDERNEATH IT.



SCUM.

Ya Mum.