Our sydneycentric Rodent PM at it again

[Bombers 2003]

Not so sure we have a "father of democracy", surely Henry Parkes was more important in the greater scheme of things than Lalor.

Agreed,or even Barton.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Agreed,or even Barton.

What about Alfred Deakin - I suppose it was a collective effort by all those who participated in the Constitutional Convention. They engineered the form of our Federal democracy

 

[Bombers 2003]

What about Alfred Deakin - I suppose it was a collective effort by all those who participated in the Constitutional Convention. They engineered the form of our Federal democracy

Yes,probably he more then Parkes and Barton could be considered the 'father of our democracy'.

 

[Thrawn]

Having owned several rodents as pets in the past, I find it insulting to them that you could call John Howard a rodent.

 

[MightyFighting]

Not so sure we have a "father of democracy", surely Henry Parkes was more important in the greater scheme of things than Lalor.

Didn't Henry Parkes campaign against the eventually successfull second attempt at federation (because he wasn't in charge). He was nothing but an egotistical windbag, who should be taken off the $5 note (and replaced by Peter Lalor).

 

[WA ROO]

Thats your average "Aussie' for you, selfish, racist, bigoted, homophobic,hypocritical and easily scared.
Sort to sums up the Libs and the rodent PM as well dosent it?

I have no idea which country you are talking about not the one who voted a 16yr old part Aboriginal girl Australian Idol
Then again she is from Sydney so maybe Johnny is the blame for that aswell

 

[mantis]

Having owned several rodents as pets in the past, I find it insulting to them that you could call John Howard a rodent.

My humblest apologies Thrawn you are right, it is very insulting to Rats, they are cute, loyal & loving, I shall revert back to calling him scum.

 

[Frodo]

My humblest apologies Thrawn you are right, it is very insulting to Rats, they are cute, loyal & loving, I shall revert back to calling him scum.

I don't know what it is but despite everything you really have passion. We'll never agree but I bet you're a bloody decent bonk

 

[mantis]

I don't know what it is but despite everything you really have passion. We'll never agree but I bet you're a bloody decent bonk

EEEEWWWWW the mere thought of you thinking about my private life makes me feel unclean, I am going to have to sit in a bath for hours now, to try & cleanse myself.

 

[Bombers 2003]

EEEEWWWWW the mere thought of you thinking about my private life makes me feel unclean, I am going to have to sit in a bath for hours now, to try & cleanse myself.

I'm sorry Frodo would even think such,as he claims to be a religious ?.But then that's the religious isnt it.

 

[Frodo]

I'm sorry Frodo would even think such,as he claims to be a religious ?.But then that's the religious isnt it.

I certainly do NOT claim to be religious, exactly the opposite. I blame religion for most woes of the worlds history.

ps Sandie...do you have a bell?

UNCLEAN..UNCLEAN

 

[afc9798]

I don't know what it is but despite everything you really have passion. We'll never agree but I bet you're a bloody decent bonk

I doubt you've ever had a bonk so how would you know? And no, your own hands don't count. At least mantis had the good sense to be completely repulsed by your lame attempts to break the lifetime drought.

 

[Bombers 2003]

I certainly do NOT claim to be religious, exactly the opposite. I blame religion for most woes of the worlds history.

ps Sandie...do you have a bell?

UNCLEAN..UNCLEAN

You trying to excommunicate me?.

 

[Cap]

Thats your average "Aussie' for you, selfish, racist, bigoted, homophobic,hypocritical and easily scared.
Sort to sums up the Libs and the rodent PM as well dosent it?

no thats your average human
they are more interested in what is going to happen to their wallet

because most people who are voting remember the labor party of the late 80's early 90's the labor party is going to have a hard time getting back in.

the thing that makes me sick is these yuppies ********s who wan't to vote labor because they think its fashionable to be heard saying you;ll vote labor.

honestly if you earn ofver about 40k private health should be maditory (noone can really be against this because the more you earn the more you are suppling to the health departments by allowing those less fortunate to get a hospital bed in the public system)

 

[Cronos]

honestly if you earn ofver about 40k private health should be maditory (noone can really be against this because the more you earn the more you are suppling to the health departments by allowing those less fortunate to get a hospital bed in the public system)

Let me get this particular comment right...

The more you contribute to the health departments through taxes, the less right you have to access these services that you contributed to?

 

[MightyFighting]

because most people who are voting remember the labor party of the late 80's early 90's the labor party is going to have a hard time getting back in.

You mean the party that modernised our economy?

 

[MGREG]

You mean the party that modernised our economy?

No he means the party that gave us record bankruptcy rates and 17% interest rates and then said it was a soft landing! DOH!

 

[MightyFighting]

No he means the party that gave us record bankruptcy rates and 17% interest rates and then said it was a soft landing! DOH!

Interest rates were high because house prices were low, now vice-versa. The amount of money people spend paying off their homeloans is about the same.

As for bankruptcy, Labor cannot be blamed for worldwide trends in business practices during the 1980s.

 

[MGREG]

Interest rates were high because house prices were low, now vice-versa. The amount of money people spend paying off their homeloans is about the same.

As for bankruptcy, Labor cannot be blamed for worldwide trends in business practices during the 1980s.

Your problem there however is that Keating admitted he was responsible for it, he was at the levers. HE called it a soft landing.

Plus world wide trnds had nothing to do with Pyramid, Tricontinental, National SAfety Council (John Friedrich) and the State Bank of Victoria. All ALP disasters.

 

[kirky]

Plus world wide trnds had nothing to do with Pyramid, Tricontinental, National SAfety Council (John Friedrich) and the State Bank of Victoria. All ALP disasters.

I think you'll find National Safety Council was fraud (similar to the NAB and the King brothers). By the way, if a bank lends money to companies for inflated asset prices why should it be the fault of the government of the day (and I should know I have worked in a bank for 26 years) given each of these entities had their own board? Bad lending and internal practices are the responsibility of the Bank and its board otherwise we shouldn't we be blaming the Liberals for the disasters that have beset the NAB over the last 2-3 years (lost $4b in Homeside and $300m + for the currency options).

 

[1jasonoz]

No he means the party that gave us record bankruptcy rates and 17% interest rates and then said it was a soft landing! DOH!

The highest ever short term(90 day) rates was under the Frasier government back in 1982. The only reason offical interest rates weren't at the same rate as what the market believed they should be at, which was 20+%, was that the rate was directly controlled by the government. If they had had an independant RBA like Keating did, then Howard would be known as the Treasurer with the highest ever offocal rates.

 

[MGREG]

I think you'll find National Safety Council was fraud (similar to the NAB and the King brothers). By the way, if a bank lends money to companies for inflated asset prices why should it be the fault of the government of the day (and I should know I have worked in a bank for 26 years) given each of these entities had their own board? Bad lending and internal practices are the responsibility of the Bank and its board otherwise we shouldn't we be blaming the Liberals for the disasters that have beset the NAB over the last 2-3 years (lost $4b in Homeside and $300m + for the currency options).

Pyramid? Rob Jolly and John Cain came out and endorsed them when a minor run began in early 1990, then they rolled over a few months later.

State Bank was not a private bank. It was as the CBA used to be. Government had a say in things.

NSC came about due to poor gevernment auditing of their alleged assets. Didnt look in the bins where equipment was allegedly stored.

 

[kirky]

Pyramid? Rob Jolly and John Cain came out and endorsed them when a minor run began in early 1990, then they rolled over a few months later.

State Bank was not a private bank. It was as the CBA used to be. Government had a say in things.

NSC came about due to poor gevernment auditing of their alleged assets. Didnt look in the bins where equipment was allegedly stored.

State Bank was exactly like the BankSA - it still had a board who reported to the government of the day. If the board and its directors do dodgy things what can the government do - after all it doesn't run the Bank.

Pyramid - can't disgree if the Premier and his Treasurer endorsed them but that they would have done that to ensure the whole financial system didn't collapse - once one institution has a run it impacts on all within the sector. Lets remember, that both Westpac and ANZ nearly went under in the early 1990's due to their exposure via their finance companies (AGC and Esanda) in the commercial property market and was one of the reasons that the NAB was able to become the dominant bank in the financial sector thru the 1990's.

 

[medusala]

State Bank was exactly like the BankSA - it still had a board who reported to the government of the day. If the board and its directors do dodgy things what can the government do - after all it doesn't run the Bank.

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Who appointed the board? If the elected govt isnt responsible for a govt owned institution then who is? Do you really think Howard would let Telstra introduce timed local calls whilst Telstra is majority govt owned?

 

[Leper]

Thought I'd reignite the "Sydneycentric" part of this thread....

WTF is Johnny doing getting involved in Sydney local government by offering opinions on how they should decorate the city of Sydney for Christmas???

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/12/03/1101923308940.html?from=top5

Shouldn't such matters be of equal relevance to his position as how much beer is supplied after the Alice Springs Henly on Todd regatta???