Outcoached - big time

[chapmanmagic35]

Just got back from Tassie.

I've stood by Bomber for a long time, but he is getting roasted on match days (especially last 2-3 years). Outcoached by Clarko who has been around much less than him.

Thoughts?

 

[TheTimeCometh]

but we got the "T O M A H A W K"!!!!!!!!!!

 

[year of the cat]

Only listened to this game on radio so cannot comment on this match but over the last few years it is apparent he is slow to adapt or change his game plan if the team is struggling. He would be in the bottom 4 coaches going around imo.

 

[Selwood07]

I don't think Bomber knows what to do when the pressure is on!
I wonder if Scarlett is as passionate in his support of him at the moment.

 

[azyboy]

Just a question, are we being too critical of Thompson? Here is a man who hand picked the current list (bar two or three) and developed them into a football team that has been lauded for the past few years...
Granted 2006 was not a good year and consequently he was all but shafted from the joint with the much publicised review which no doubt humiliated him (and the rest of the club for that matter)
Is it that the promise shown by the list is not as good as what we would have hoped. Or has he taken this group as far as he can? I reckon there's an arguement for both.

 

[Mooney_d'King]

HOW CAN YOU COACH SKILL ERRORS AND FUMBLES OUT OF PLAYERS.

THOSE ARE WHAT COST US THE GAME.

Sorry to shout, but I think people are missing the bloody point!!

BTW, Clarko set up his forward line the same way we did when they had the wind in the last quarter.

 

[Selwood07]

Just a question, are we being too critical of Thompson? Here is a man who hand picked the current list (bar two or three) and developed them into a football team that has been lauded for the past few years...
Granted 2006 was not a good year and consequently he was all but shafted from the joint with the much publicised review which no doubt humiliated him (and the rest of the club for that matter)
Is it that the promise shown by the list is not as good as what we would have hoped. Or has he taken this group as far as he can? I reckon there's an arguement for both.

The word is "argument" and you have answered your own question succinctly - he has taken this group as far as he can!

 

[azyboy]

The word is "argument" and you have answered your own question succinctly - he has taken this group as far as he can!

Sue me elwood

 

[Ramsay Bogunovich]

Just got back from Tassie.

I've stood by Bomber for a long time, but he is getting roasted on match days (especially last 2-3 years). Outcoached by Clarko who has been around much less than him.

Thoughts?

Saw most of the game on the TV. I'm sick of the fact that when we come up against Hawthorn and the Bulldogs, we are incapable of coming up with something "new" to combat their tactics - it has literally been happening for years now, against these two in particular, and we're still losing these winnable games.

I therefore agree with your sentiments about the outcoaching. During the game, there seems to be an inability to try something "innovative" (the most I saw yesterday was Gazza isolated deep) It seems to me that Hawthorn just planted an extra man (sometimes more - especially in last quarter) back there and waited for either:

• us to fiddle around looking for a "sure thing" inside 50 with no room to manoeuvre, or,
• us to bomb it in long to a 1 on 3 or 4,

either way, they play the percentages and wait for us to turn it over. Shouldn't our response simply be to either be ultra patient and wait for an absolute breakdown on their man coverage, or go to one of our talls with a GOOD pass (not with time for the tall who is back to get across to cover) and take a contested mark.

The players have to take some responsibility as well. Unfortunately (for us), I have come to the realisation that MOST footballers just don't have the faculties to think this issue through.

PS Good on you for going down and supporting them in person.

 

[Mooney_d'King]

Just got back from Tassie.

I've stood by Bomber for a long time, but he is getting roasted on match days (especially last 2-3 years). Outcoached by Clarko who has been around much less than him.

Thoughts?

I think what you're saying is bullshit.

Explain how he was outcoached.

 

[Sunovagun]

Saw most of the game on the TV. I'm sick of the fact that when we come up against Hawthorn and the Bulldogs, we are incapable of coming up with something "new" to combat their tactics - it has literally been happening for years now, against these two in particular, and we're still losing these winnable games.

I therefore agree with your sentiments about the outcoaching. During the game, there seems to be an inability to try something "innovative" (the most I saw yesterday was Gazza isolated deep) It seems to me that Hawthorn just planted an extra man (sometimes more - especially in last quarter) back there and waited for either:

• us to fiddle around looking for a "sure thing" inside 50 with no room to manoeuvre, or,
• us to bomb it in long to a 1 on 3 or 4,

either way, they play the percentages and wait for us to turn it over. Shouldn't our response simply be to either be ultra patient and wait for an absolute breakdown on their man coverage, or go to one of our talls with a GOOD pass (not with time for the tall who is back to get across to cover) and take a contested mark.

The players have to take some responsibility as well. Unfortunately (for us), I have come to the realisation that MOST footballers just don't have the faculties to think this issue through.

PS Good on you for going down and supporting them in person.

And the only reason Bomber isolated him deep was because he had no other option. With a corked calf he couldn't play the game out up the ground.

Was out of necessity more than innovative coaching one thinks...

 

[sarah.13]

I think what you're saying is bullshit.

Explain how he was outcoached.

For one he could have let Mooney loose in the Midfield where we got killed in the clearances as he was having no impact in the forward line.

 

[chapmanmagic35]

I think what you're saying is bullshit.

Explain how he was outcoached.

How obvious does it have to be? It occurs nearly every game. He is reactive.

Maybe weekday he is a good operator - but he gets killed on game day. You know that.

Sunday, he failed to adapt to Hawthorn tactics once again. Why does it have to be simply lumped on the players?

 

[Mooney_d'King]

How obvious does it have to be? It occurs nearly every game. He is reactive.

Maybe weekday he is a good operator - but he gets killed on game day. You know that.

Sunday, he failed to adapt to Hawthorn tactics once again. Why does it have to be simply lumped on the players?

Because the players made the mistakes. It was a 4 point loss and you saw the skill errors.

I suppose I should say the players made the mistakes THIS WEEK. That's disregarding previous weeks or future games.

 

[Cattery]

Because the players made the mistakes. It was a 4 point loss and you saw the skill errors.

I suppose I should say the players made the mistakes THIS WEEK. That's disregarding previous weeks or future games.

That's true to a large extent, errors were terrible on many occasions, but don't think Thompson did anything to help get us over the line.

Just two things he could have tried, one as pointed out by sarah.13 and that's throw Mooney on the ball, was doing nothing up forward so it was worth a try, the other which was so obvious it was unbelievable he didn't do it, was man up on Hodge and make him accountable, the guy's just the best user of the ball in the Hawks side and yet he was allowed to roam free and pick up possessions at will, from memory he did exactly the same thing last year which seems to suggest Thompson doesn't learn from his own mistakes.

A couple of fairly obvious moves I would have thought, and who knows, they may have been all that was needed to get us over the line in such a close game, but I guess we'll never know now.

 

[Tristagi]

skill errors - not coaches fault

what is the coachs fault is still going with 3 talls in the forward line for the first 12 mins of the 3rd qtr when it should have been

FF: -Stokes - Tall Forward #1 -
- Gary Ablett -
HF: - Chapman - Tall forward #2 - Byrnes

we needed to go small, and this was proven in the last 8 mins of the qtr when stokes kicked two

 

[bashar]

bomber knows hes on his last season and hes playing to keep his job. i for one will not come to this board everytime we lose and scream bloody murder or want the coach's head. i think being a geelong supporter makes u a tad bit more sensitive to results. i know we cant win it all, but i also know the quality of the team.
it takes a real coach to get the best out of his players...something bomber hasnt done since 05, no one plays for the team like we use to.
we have quality, we have depth, and our injury toll isnt that bad.
on paper we should be a premiership contender. im sick of losing to teams on the rise like the hawks (that obviously havent reached full potential and are very young) or teams that are in the same league as us like the doggies.
sure we can thump melbourne when they have all thier forward line out, or carlton when they won 2 consecutive wooden spoons. looking at upcoming fixtures we should be able to cain the tigers and the kangas but in all seriousness, do we want to just make up the numbers in the top 8? sure were a chance but i cant see bomber taking us to the flag. can anyone say he can or will?
people who blame the playing list...just look at the odds for premiership were up there, and were contenders. bomber must take alot of the blame and he should clean his act up. if we dont make top 4 hes out
also to the argument of him forming this squad..that is true maybe he should be head of recruitment but as far as senior coach...im not too impressed.
btw we definatly need a skills coach coz alot of our players will become eliet layers if they just learnt how to kick the damn pill

 

[Mooney_d'King]

btw we definatly need a skills coach coz alot of our players will become elite layers if they just learnt how to kick the damn pill

We've got one:

http://gfc.com.au/TheClub/Coaches/C...6/coachId/128/teamId/30/typeId/1/Default.aspx

David Wheadon.

 

[geelong_boy]

For one he could have let Mooney loose in the Midfield where we got killed in the clearances as he was having no impact in the forward line.

According to Champion Data, the clearances went Hawthorn's way 34-30. Not exactly 'getting killed'. An example of getting killed in the clearances was the corresponding Hawthorn game of Round 3 last year, where Hawthorn got 19 more clearances than us.

 

[Catsace]

Points made earlier about Mooney being swung onto the ball are well made, that surely must have been an option to a) Get him into the game, and b) get more drive from the midfield and also help out Blake. King, maybe he could have been sent forward as a big man in the square, at least someone would have had to be on him. Robert Campbell kicked a goal, so perhaps Kingy at F/F might have drawn him back.

Geelong has all the ingredients to be a great side in my opinion. They are like the Cats under Devine i feel, or even under Olsson in 1979. They need some real belief, and also perhaps need to feel as though they can unleash their style on the competition. A strong coach could get this to happen, i mean look at the list, you have quality on-ballers like Bartel, Corey, Enright...a very handy tagger/run with man in Ling, two of the best hard-nutted small forwards/midfielders in Gaz Jr and Chappy, Ottens and Blake in the ruck, and a solid defence, with Wojcinski's run helping out greatly now. Hunt should go back to launching his 60 metre arrow-like kicks to Bartel and co as in 2004-5, and let the run flow from there..

I am sure Geelong has the ingredients to be a successful side, the test is to convey that to the players. I am not sure Thompson after 8 years can be that man anymore. If a new coach comes next season, i'll be highly confident of a big run at the finals.

 

[thejester]

I didn't think we were that badly outcoached. I mean, against the Bulldogs Eade had pulled shit so that Chapman was playing as a defender. Which was a huge victory for them. I can't really see any comparable victories by Clarkson. I was critical of Mooney doing sweet fa up forward, but one could equally suggest that if a tall-forward was going to work it had to be Mooney. His failure to tag Hodge or Crawford seemed criminal, but Ling can only take one player at a time. As Mooney d'King has already pointed out, the players had virtually no confidence, made some shocking decisions and simply turned it over too often.

On the flip side - I thought putting Mackie on Franklin would be disastrous (and I would suggest 99.9% of those on this board would have agreed) but it worked in our favour and a lot are saying Mackie had his best game in a while. Bomber predicted the nature of the game, and while that's hardly remarkable it counts for something. Overall I would suggest neither coach got much up on the other, and in the end most of the team played badly.

 

[TheTimeCometh]

what made chappy pass that ball to kelly when 30 to 25 out? the wind???
he woulda eaten that shot-on-goal normally. kelly still got the goal in the end - but W T F??? is that the coach, player, or a combo of both??

 

[DanA]

Bombers mistakes:
- Went too tall in the forwardline
- Playing too many talls at once on the ground
- Let Luke Hodge be loose man for 3 quarters
- Gave King too much game time when Blake was doing much better.
- Selecting the point kicking machine (Byrnes)

I would never put Mooney on the ball.

 

[CF]

I dont think you can blame Bomber for going too tall. How was he to know that the conditions ended up not suiting the tall forwards. He has had 2 weeks where the talls have ripped it up so it is natural to stick with what is working. Also as Moons pointed out Clarkson used a similar forward structure to Bomber when they had the breeze.

I do think it was a mistake to let Hodge rack up posessions although Milburn did a decent job on him earlier in the match.

Skill errors occurred because of the good pressure the Hawks applied to us.

I agree the biggest disappointment was King, and Mooney should have been moved to defensive position IMO (possibly on Franklin).

Last year they flogged us by big margins, this year it was by 4 points. It is very disapointing I agree but that alone shows the club has improved on last year.

The hawks were better at us with their tackiling, ball pressure, and defensive work. The clearances were pretty even althouygh it seemed like the Hawks got it more. We still lack a real ball winner/Clearance player at the bounces.

 

[killerkelvin]

Just got back from Tassie.

I've stood by Bomber for a long time, but he is getting roasted on match days (especially last 2-3 years). Outcoached by Clarko who has been around much less than him.

Thoughts?

If you asked anyones opinion of Bomber this season before the we played Hawthorn, that would give praise with the exciting style of atacking football we are playing.

If next week iand the week after are both barry crockers then you can start whining.