Recommitted Paddy Dow [OOC 2023] explored his options, but stayed

[Ash24]

Because if he was any good he'd be in one's consistently.

Over who's spot? You've arguably got 4 A-grade mids in Cripps, Walsh, Hewett and Cerra. Dow isn't overtaking any of them so no wonder he's not playing AFL footy at the moment. What a coincidence that he gets his chance the game Hewett gets injured.

No point keeping a 22yo thats not good enough to be a regular best 22 player when you can move him on for an 18yo that might be better.

What 18 year old is going to be close to VFL MVP level in their first couple years, if at all in their career? Especially not one coming from pick 50 odd in the draft which you guys claim Dow is worth.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

They’re also better players than Dow.

Neither were when traded.

Both struggled to get regular games, just like Dow now.

 

[theiaofseed]

Over who's spot? You've arguably got 4 A-grade mids in Cripps, Walsh, Hewett and Cerra. Dow isn't overtaking any of them so no wonder he's not playing AFL footy at the moment. What a coincidence that he gets his chance the game Hewett gets injured.


What 18 year old is going to be close to VFL MVP level in their first couple years, if at all in their career? Especially not one coming from pick 50 odd in the draft which you guys claim Dow is worth.

This is a joke right? Every year it happens.

Dylan Moore from the same draft as Dow Pick 67 and on the verge of an AA squad.
Liam Baker Rookie draft in the same year a regular player in the AFL playing a high standard weekly.

 

[theiaofseed]

What a dumb point. How many of them were aligned to AFL listed clubs? And how many of them ended up being traded the year they won the trophy?

Hawthorn aligned players.

Woodward was delisted 1 year after winning
Hallahan was traded the year he won for Pick 47 and 49 to the Sun- Delisted after 3 years and only 20 games.

Edit: Miles from Richmond was traded along with Ellis for a swap of third round picks with the Suns, Miles wasn't the prize in that traded and delisted after two years.

 

[mrposhman]

I mean in the off season we also added 2 A-grade mids in Hewett and Cerra, but sure completely skip over that because I'm sure that has absolutely nothing to do with there not being any room for Dow.


What a dumb point. How many of them were aligned to AFL listed clubs? And how many of them ended up being traded the year they won the trophy?

How is it a dumb point? You claimed he would be worth a 2nd and part of your justification was because he was close to winning the Liston medal yet that hasn't seen any Liston medals traded for 2nd round picks. In fact Miles was traded to GC for a pick upgrade when he was traded WITH Corey Ellis (a previous 1st round suggestion).

You are trying to justify the unjustifiable. You will not get a 2nd for Dow from any club in the AFL. Carlton haven't suddenly become this side of immense depth where you can trade your weaker players for good picks. How about comparing Dow to the 3 I'd previously posted?

Petrevski Seton and Cocaktoo (both top 10 picks traded for picks in the 50's)
Lipinski was a much more accomplished player when traded to the Pies and he went for 43.

Why should Dow go for more than any of these guys? Above is the precedent we should be using for value. What precedent other than hope are you using?

 

[mrposhman]

Hawthorn aligned players.

Woodward was delisted 1 year after winning
Hallahan was traded the year he won for Pick 47 and 49 to the Sun- Delisted after 3 years and only 20 games.

Edit: Miles from Richmond was traded along with Ellis for a swap of third round picks with the Suns, Miles wasn't the prize in that traded and delisted after two years.

Add in Townsend who won the Liston Trophy in 2019 and was then delisted and picked up by Essendon who delisted him after 1 season.

 

[Ash24]

This is a joke right? Every year it happens.

Dylan Moore from the same draft as Dow Pick 67 and on the verge of an AA squad.
Liam Baker Rookie draft in the same year a regular player in the AFL playing a high standard weekly.

But all of these players are able to break into their team's sides due to a weakness in that position.

Let's say Carlton were to delist Dow and pick up another draftee, if it's a midfielder then at best they'll be stuck in the position Dow is in right now. If they draft a player of another position then it leaves a hole in the position where Dow was.

I just don't see the benefit in delisting Dow (if he was OOC).

 

[theiaofseed]

But all of these players are able to break into their team's sides due to a weakness in that position.

Let's say Carlton were to delist Dow and pick up another draftee, if it's a midfielder then at best they'll be stuck in the position Dow is in right now. If they draft a player of another position then it leaves a hole in the position where Dow was.

I just don't see the benefit in delisting Dow (if he was OOC).

Umm no theyre playing because theyre good enough and Dow isn't, hence Dow's low value.

 

[Ash24]

Umm no theyre playing because theyre good enough and Dow isn't, hence Dow's low value.

Sure it might lower his value, but he's not playing because he's not good. He's not playing because he's got 4 a-grade mids (Cripps, Walsh, Hewett, Cerra) all in the side ahead of him.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

Would be happy with Hawthorn's third round pick.

Honestly don't see why we would be interested in him at all, our midfield is weak but he doesn't offer anything that we don't already have.

Like a few others have said i would be much rather take a gamble on a kid in the Draft with that pick

 

[TENACIOUS]

If he wanted to leave I'd trade him to anyone bar Geelong...

Piss off Geelong, keep your players and shitty picks...
Every player trade we have done with Geelong turn out bad for us...

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

If he wanted to leave I'd trade him to anyone bar Geelong...

Piss off Geelong, keep your players and shitty picks...
Every player trade we have done with Geelong turn out bad for us...

Truly disrespectful towards Adrian Hickmont.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

But all of these players are able to break into their team's sides due to a weakness in that position.

Let's say Carlton were to delist Dow and pick up another draftee, if it's a midfielder then at best they'll be stuck in the position Dow is in right now. If they draft a player of another position then it leaves a hole in the position where Dow was.

I just don't see the benefit in delisting Dow (if he was OOC).

Dude, Dow has been on your list since the 2018 season. Cerra and Hewett came along at the end of last year. If Paddy had shown he was any good in any of the seasons he's been on a list you wouldn't have bothered getting Cerra.

Unfortunately he's just not that young anymore.

 

[Ash24]

Dude, Dow has been on your list since the 2018 season. Cerra and Hewett came along at the end of last year. If Paddy had shown he was any good in any of the seasons he's been on a list you wouldn't have bothered getting Cerra.

Unfortunately he's just not that young anymore.

Dow's performances in the VFL this year are completely incomparable to his last few under Teague/Bolton.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

He has played 61 AFL games, he may not be done with developing but it is a pretty good sample size and so far he has shown very very little.

At this stage i really don't care what he does at VFL level, most fringe AFL level players should be doing very well at that level.

His initial value from being a high draft pick is gone and what you do at VFL level does nothing to increase trade value. Some clubs may be willing to take a chance on him if he came for next to nothing, i would be staggered if any club is willing to give up any real asset for him.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

He has played 61 AFL games, he may not be done with developing but it is a pretty good sample size and so far he has shown very very little.

At this stage i really don't care what he does at VFL level, most fringe AFL level players should be doing very well at that level.

His initial value from being a high draft pick is gone and what you do at VFL level does nothing to increase trade value. Some clubs may be willing to take a chance on him if he came for next to nothing, i would be staggered if any club is willing to give up any real asset for him.

Jeka for Dow?

Your point is correct though he is worth a 3rd rounder in the trade market, I’d much prefer we retain him at that price but that’s all we’re gonna get for him. I think he will go on to have a serviceable career elsewhere tbh, I would be happy to lose him if it means he does well elsewhere

 

[Pablito]

For a bloke that can't get a game at Carlton.... thats like saying Esava is worth a second rounder because his contracted...

Difference is Esava is the worst player on any AFL list right now and isn't good enough to play VFL either. The other is just about the best player in the VFL who was once rated at least a top 10 pick by every single club in the league who can't get into a midfield rated top 5 in the league.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Wonder if we can bundle him along with Stocker for an early 2nd round pick in a fire sale ? A boy can only dream

 

[Pablito]

How is it a dumb point? You claimed he would be worth a 2nd and part of your justification was because he was close to winning the Liston medal yet that hasn't seen any Liston medals traded for 2nd round picks. In fact Miles was traded to GC for a pick upgrade when he was traded WITH Corey Ellis (a previous 1st round suggestion).

You are trying to justify the unjustifiable. You will not get a 2nd for Dow from any club in the AFL. Carlton haven't suddenly become this side of immense depth where you can trade your weaker players for good picks. How about comparing Dow to the 3 I'd previously posted?

Petrevski Seton and Cocaktoo (both top 10 picks traded for picks in the 50's)
Lipinski was a much more accomplished player when traded to the Pies and he went for 43.

Why should Dow go for more than any of these guys? Above is the precedent we should be using for value. What precedent other than hope are you using?

Cockatoo perennially injured.

SPS part of the deal to get Young and wanted to go back to WA, also not as good as Dow.

Lipinski was a salary dump.

If you think that Miles and Ellis deal wasnt connected to GC not matching for Lynch then you're naive.

All of your examples are not relevant and have been taken out of context to fit your narrative.

Just to add, I also think Dow is worth a 3rd, just not for the dumb reasons you gave.

 

[Pablito]

Wonder if we can bundle him along with Stocker for an early 2nd round pick in a fire sale ? A boy can only dream

I could see North doing something like that. Maybe if SOS gets hired by North lol

 

[foxdog50]

Difference is Esava is the worst player on any AFL list right now and isn't good enough to play VFL either. The other is just about the best player in the VFL who was once rated at least a top 10 pick by every single club in the league who can't get into a midfield rated top 5 in the league.

Sorry but there no difference

 

[Pablito]

Sorry but there no difference

 

[La Dispute]

Would rather keep him on the list if he’s value sits at a 3rd.

Just let him ride out the contract and trade him the following year when his value is still presumably a 3rd or worse case he goes for 4th.

At that stage of the draft it’s all speculative selections and there’s a smaller talent gap between the 3rd and 4th rounds in comparison to the 2nd and 3rd. I don’t think the club rates him, but he’s not a sunk cost until he reaches the end of his current contract.

The middle ground is the Blues receiving a 2nd and then chipping in an additional 3rd or future 3rd to facilitate the trade.

 

[foxdog50]

 

[Burtman]

Jeka for Dow?

Your point is correct though he is worth a 3rd rounder in the trade market, I’d much prefer we retain him at that price but that’s all we’re gonna get for him. I think he will go on to have a serviceable career elsewhere tbh, I would be happy to lose him if it means he does well elsewhere

Lol ****ing hope not. Jeka has more talent in his little finger than Dow has shown in his 50+ afl games. I’m happy to have jeka work on his game in the twos till he unlocks his potential or proves he doesn’t have the desire/work rate to make it