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Memories said:
He actually did it IN the fourth quarter, so it was nothing to do with "coming into the forth quarter with it".

I still can't see how he did it, the play it happened in looked very usual stuff. It doesn't look like whatever caused it was that big really, which is a worrying sign. Maybe he was already affected by it.
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You need to look at it from behind Mem.

His kneed moved medially, and probably pinged on that movement, as it weakens the ACL significantly in that position. You just need a slight angle from elsewhere to do the ACL when the knee is in that position...
 
Sman-21 said:
All i can think of is he has been overworked i know the season has just started an all and as good as he was last year i never agreed with him playing so many games last year then close to 20 this year.
Just too much stress on the young inexperienced bodies.
He should of only played around 15 games imo they need to be eased into the game.
No matter how good they are.
I think Mick Malthouses coaching days are over but 1 thing he always did well was managing the young players.
No matter how good they looked he would still ease them into AFL football.
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Good comment - We just need to get used to the likes of Browne, Head, Gilmore in the team at times over Suban, Hill etc for a while. Not going anywhere ladder wise this year anyway.
 

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Sman-21 said:
All i can think of is he has been overworked i know the season has just started an all and as good as he was last year i never agreed with him playing so many games last year then close to 20 this year.
Just too much stress on the young inexperienced bodies.
He should of only played around 15 games imo they need to be eased into the game.
No matter how good they are.
I think Mick Malthouses coaching days are over but 1 thing he always did well was managing the young players.
No matter how good they looked he would still ease them into AFL football.
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Nah... absolute rubbish.

Knee ligament injuries have very little to do with wear and tear.

They are far too dynamic and random to protect anyone from. He would be just as likely to do it in the AFL as in the WAFL is the only predispositions are the same... i.e. muscle balance (really the only one).
 

Ahhhhh **** it. ****ing **** it. What crap ****ing news for the Rhys and the FFC. ****ing **** ****ed up plonker ****er bad luck **** football gods....
What a spolier to a great weekend.:mad::(:thumbsd:
Best wishes for a speedy recovery to young Rhys. We all know he has a super work ethic, which no doubt will extend to his personal rehabilitaion and recovery.

He'll be back.:thumbsu:
 
Very disappointing for Rhys. Hopefully they do the radical surgery method and he comes back sooner.

Pearce should be elevated into the team. Whilst DeBoer or Foster should replace Rhys in the middle.
 
DRDGroup said:
Hopefully they do the radical surgery method and he comes back sooner.
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Why? It's not like we're going to win 12 games to make the 8 and losing his best midfielder takes the heat off Harvey.

Sure it's bitterly disappointing for Rhys and will dampen confidence at the club but aslong as Rhys gets back to 100% fitness and doesn't have ongoing problems and the club actually select the young blokes instead of the South Freo dip shits we've had to put up with for 5 weeks then we'll be fine long term.
 

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Bad news guys but you wouldn't think this would affect his career too much if at all. ACL surgery + recovery has come a long way in the last 10 years. Just look at Mitch Brown at the Eagles... was setting personal best times after his knee recon and is playing some good footy now. He'll be back next year better than ever.
 
GentlemanJeff said:
Really bad news for the club and for Palmer.

Out of interest, do you guys think Gold Coast will put his market value at 750k a year?

Professional sport is a very fickle industry indeed.
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Ibbo would be their priority at this stage.

Surprisingly good list management from the club to have Hill, Suban and Clarke coming out of contract at the end of 2011.
 
Hopefully he can come back like Goddard and Hayes, and we don't end up with a Coughlan-like situation. Hopefully we get a good surgeon, not sure how much that has to do with it.

I seem to remember hearing someone (Healy?) a while back saying your ACL hurts like a bastard when you do it, but then the pain subsides and you think you might be OK. Is this the case? Certainly seems that way for Hille, Hayes and Palmer.
 
Bad luck for the kid. One of the positives for Freo over the past 2 years. He's gonna be missed I'm sure. But, he'll be back next year!
 

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THATS WHAT I'M FEELING!!!


On a positive note atleast it was his right knee so now when he starts doing more advanced recorvery he can kick 4000 times on his left and it will become a cannon :D
 
Absolutely no need to rush him back this season as we arent likely to achieve much this season so no point doing that surgery just so he comes back this year.

Though i thought that surgery is considered better as it makes it much stronger and less chance of it happening again to the same knee.

Also ofcourse a knee can be done anyway all it takes is to land a certain way, someone falling on leg an trapping it etc.
But wear an tear will ofcourse weaken things an make them more susceptible
to injury.

All body parts can be trained to withstand more pressure, punishment etc.
If you just rush into it something is more likely to go wrong.
Need to gradually get the body used to it.

Not saying this is what happened with Rhys but we seriously need to manage our young players better.
The good ones are playing far too many games in there 1st year.
 
Chops_a_must said:
Knee ligament injuries have very little to do with wear and tear.
They are far too dynamic and random to protect anyone from. He would be just as likely to do it in the AFL as in the WAFL is the only predispositions are the same... i.e. muscle balance (really the only one).
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Excellent post. One of the greatest myths of modern Australian pro sport is that training regimes can 'cause' ACLs. There are a number of other injuries which may (for some players) be worsened by over-training, such as Osteitis Pubis, but ACLs aren't in that bag.

The same 'ease the rookies in' debate occurred in US pro sport during the early to mid 90s, due to a number of high profile injuries in the NFL and NBA. Science eventually demonstrated that the overwhelming majority of ACLs are due to either fundamental structural issues (often genetic, in which case they seem to keep happening, even into old age) or purely random, unpredictable combinations of force in a particular direction at the same time as the joint is trying to turn or change direction.

Maybe we should try a crystal ball or fortune teller?? Easing up on the younguns isn't the answer though.

Chops_a_must said:
No way. There is absolutely no point in potentially ruining his career for a season that was written off before it even started.
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dominguez said:
Why? It's not like we're going to win 12 games to make the 8 and losing his best midfielder takes the heat off Harvey. Sure it's bitterly disappointing for Rhys and will dampen confidence at the club but aslong as Rhys gets back to 100% fitness and doesn't have ongoing problems and the club actually select the young blokes instead of the South Freo dip shits we've had to put up with for 5 weeks then we'll be fine long term.
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We would be nuts to send Rhys in for the advanced surgery, even if we were on pace for possible finals (which we aren't). He's young, an established gun, and can take his time. Advanced radical options would really only be thought of if he had done it at say round 19-21. And even then I don't think it is worth the risk for him.

GentlemanJeff said:
Really bad news for the club and for Palmer. Out of interest, do you guys think Gold Coast will put his market value at 750k a year? Professional sport is a very fickle industry indeed.
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GGGGJeffffyyy!!! Welcome back!! You and Memsies back on the board in the same 24 hour period - must be a sign. As to Palmer's valuation - why don't you have brunch with your old mate McKenna - he'll have all the answers.

Sman-21 said:
All body parts can be trained to withstand more pressure, punishment etc. If you just rush into it something is more likely to go wrong. Need to gradually get the body used to it. Not saying this is what happened with Rhys but we seriously need to manage our young players better. The good ones are playing far too many games in there 1st year.
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Disagree. Injuries will happen at WAFL level (or even colts if you want to hold them back that far) - if they are getting game time with the AFL side it is priceless experience (provided their form is good enough). Holding them back results in a Browne type situation, where people get to be 24-25 and hardly have any games under their belt.

Lack of early exposure to real AFL pressure causes just as many injuries IMHO - players get used to cutting corners, having extra time, and not being hit as hard.
 
BeinPurplenGreen said:
The same 'ease the rookies in' debate occurred in US pro sport during the early to mid 90s, due to a number of high profile injuries in the NFL and NBA. Science eventually demonstrated that the overwhelming majority of ACLs are due to either fundamental structural issues (often genetic, in which case they seem to keep happening, even into old age) or purely random, unpredictable combinations of force in a particular direction at the same time as the joint is trying to turn or change direction.
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When the Eagles kept doing them early 90s, and Brisbane a little while back, it was found they were doing far too many quarter and half squats rather than going through the whole range.

Generally, if you develop the quads in a very specific part of its range, it puts a lot of pressure on the ACL.
 

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