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While I do have a creative accountant, no it's for security reasons/paranoia.
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Ok old PC finally sold. Now that's part of the 5090 paid off. I've learnt my lesson with Marketplace. Don't sell things for they're worth, just be happy with what you can get.
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Been testing the undervolt for a few hours and so far so good. I didn't find the limits but I got the results I was after. I ran Steel Nomad, Speed Way and then Cyperpunk with everything absolutely everything cranked at native 4K and no DLSS at all to get a base line. I think I have a good sample because a lot of guides and communities I read many 5090s out of the box were well over 1mv to hit their max boost clock. Mine was typically sub 1mv, around 0.98-0.95mv and my max boost clock I saw was in Speed Way at 2857mhz but it was typically around 2800mh give or take. However I slamming against the power limit and in the Cyberpunk bench test I was maxing out at a scary 606w.
I landed on an undervolt of 0.895mv/2885mhz. In subsequent benches my voltage hovered around 0.885mv and the clocks stuck around high 2700s. I think I can push the clock but it's not going to give any meaningful gains at the cost of extra power draw. It didn't shave as much power off as I read it did for other people but still decent results. Instead of hovering 575-600w during stress tests it is more like 514-550w. I did hope to get sub 500w but maybe I can if I dial it in but it's still a decent enough improvement. It didn't affect my fps at all. In Steel Nomad I actually got 5 more frames and a higher score (from 13739 to 13919), Speed Way the fps didn't seem to change but I did score a bit less, and Cyberpunk my average fps in the bench went from 33.14 to 33.89. At stock the temps would be high 60s, after the undervolt the highest was 61c.
During gaming playing a bit of Cyberpunk with proper settings (everything maxed, psycho RT with path tracing, DLSS performance using transformer model and 4x frame gen as I've got a 240hz monitor) the power draw is in the 400w range and temp maxed around 59c. Apparently it's good to test something with a lesser load to max sure the mid range clocks and voltages are stable so I played my staple which is Destiny 2 and the clock was hitting the 2800s but since it was hitting my frame limit the graphics card wasn't under full load and sat in the 300s for power draw and temps low to mid 50s. I didn't have anything tracking my 1% lows but from every test I've seen apparently the biggest improvement isn't from your max fps but a better average and smoother experience because you have much better 1% lows.
This was a pretty good exercise in the end. I usually leave things stock these days as most parts are already at their performance limit out of the box and cooling isn't a big deal but I think the 5090 really needs a bit of tweaking. The next generation should be on a smaller node so hopefully that means less power draw for more performance without the need to tweak.
I landed on an undervolt of 0.895mv/2885mhz. In subsequent benches my voltage hovered around 0.885mv and the clocks stuck around high 2700s. I think I can push the clock but it's not going to give any meaningful gains at the cost of extra power draw. It didn't shave as much power off as I read it did for other people but still decent results. Instead of hovering 575-600w during stress tests it is more like 514-550w. I did hope to get sub 500w but maybe I can if I dial it in but it's still a decent enough improvement. It didn't affect my fps at all. In Steel Nomad I actually got 5 more frames and a higher score (from 13739 to 13919), Speed Way the fps didn't seem to change but I did score a bit less, and Cyberpunk my average fps in the bench went from 33.14 to 33.89. At stock the temps would be high 60s, after the undervolt the highest was 61c.
During gaming playing a bit of Cyberpunk with proper settings (everything maxed, psycho RT with path tracing, DLSS performance using transformer model and 4x frame gen as I've got a 240hz monitor) the power draw is in the 400w range and temp maxed around 59c. Apparently it's good to test something with a lesser load to max sure the mid range clocks and voltages are stable so I played my staple which is Destiny 2 and the clock was hitting the 2800s but since it was hitting my frame limit the graphics card wasn't under full load and sat in the 300s for power draw and temps low to mid 50s. I didn't have anything tracking my 1% lows but from every test I've seen apparently the biggest improvement isn't from your max fps but a better average and smoother experience because you have much better 1% lows.
This was a pretty good exercise in the end. I usually leave things stock these days as most parts are already at their performance limit out of the box and cooling isn't a big deal but I think the 5090 really needs a bit of tweaking. The next generation should be on a smaller node so hopefully that means less power draw for more performance without the need to tweak.
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Just to add some more interesting (kinda) results to the undervolt on a 5090.
So I didn't quite get as extreme of results as I expected in stress testing but I definitely did in real world testing. When I turned it on today I forgot to set Afterburner to automatically apply the profile on startup so I was running at stock and I thought I'd just play on it a bit. With Cyberpunk settings max (psycho RT, ray reconstruction and path tracing with DLSS performance into 4K) and also a frame cap of 59 because I'm using 4x FG (because uncapped it was outputting about 280fps and I was getting tearing, so a cap of 59 keeps it under 240) it was regularly pulling 480-510w and hitting low 60c temps. With the undervolt profile back on it goes back to a range of about 380-410w so that's a massive 100w reduction and the temps never left the 50s.
For games like Yakuza 0 and Destiny 2 that run at native 4K and running an absolutely solid 240fps (capped) they like to occasionally nudge 500w despite not being very graphically demanding.
I think this is a good demo of why tech like upscalers and FG are actually beneficial going forward and why they're being invested into so heavily to be used on low power devices like consoles and handhelds.
So I didn't quite get as extreme of results as I expected in stress testing but I definitely did in real world testing. When I turned it on today I forgot to set Afterburner to automatically apply the profile on startup so I was running at stock and I thought I'd just play on it a bit. With Cyberpunk settings max (psycho RT, ray reconstruction and path tracing with DLSS performance into 4K) and also a frame cap of 59 because I'm using 4x FG (because uncapped it was outputting about 280fps and I was getting tearing, so a cap of 59 keeps it under 240) it was regularly pulling 480-510w and hitting low 60c temps. With the undervolt profile back on it goes back to a range of about 380-410w so that's a massive 100w reduction and the temps never left the 50s.
For games like Yakuza 0 and Destiny 2 that run at native 4K and running an absolutely solid 240fps (capped) they like to occasionally nudge 500w despite not being very graphically demanding.
I think this is a good demo of why tech like upscalers and FG are actually beneficial going forward and why they're being invested into so heavily to be used on low power devices like consoles and handhelds.
This is why I was confused when these things first came out, there were so many people shitting on the series because of things like frame gen, texture compression, upscaling, etc. even though it's only going to be beneficial. Nvidia being shit "because their cards couldn't be world beaters using pure horsepower" was just such an odd argument, it was almost the gamer version of old bogans and their "there's no replacement for displacement" type statements.
Who cares what trickery they use in cards as long as the things perform without any really noticeable visual degradation.
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Every second comment on anything 50 series now is "fake frames" and "fake pixels". It doesn't help when select techtubers perpetuate this with disingenuous reporting and everyone just parrots what they say.
In the above example I'm running DLSS performance with the transformer model. In the past I had a rule that I'd rather tweak settings before ever considering dropping below DLSS balanced but the transformer model is so good now that unless you pixel peep you could easily confuse it for native (you still need a high frame rate though). Why wouldn't I take this option that is not only a better visual experience but also a considerably lighter load on my system if the result is 99% indistinguishable?
Quick sample of my cpu/gpu temperatures while gaming (this instance was Top Spin 2K25 - the cpu fan goes berserk on the title menu for some reason lol).
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I'll probably leave things as they are but I've been youtubing both overclocking and undervolting videos, could see the benefits of doing either. But I'm lazy and can't be bothered right now lol. My last pc was purchased with overclocking in mind both the gpu and cpu.......... in 13 years I didn't attempt it once haha.
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I'll probably leave things as they are but I've been youtubing both overclocking and undervolting videos, could see the benefits of doing either. But I'm lazy and can't be bothered right now lol. My last pc was purchased with overclocking in mind both the gpu and cpu.......... in 13 years I didn't attempt it once haha.
Last time I did any real overclocking was my old Athlon XP and Opteron systems where you just flicked the front side bus to 200hz and it basically just worked if you had decent RAM. These days I just don't care.Quick sample of my cpu/gpu temperatures while gaming (this instance was Top Spin 2K25 - the cpu fan goes berserk on the title menu for some reason lol).
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GPU
I'll probably leave things as they are but I've been youtubing both overclocking and undervolting videos, could see the benefits of doing either. But I'm lazy and can't be bothered right now lol. My last pc was purchased with overclocking in mind both the gpu and cpu.......... in 13 years I didn't attempt it once haha.
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Yeah I haven't bothered with it in a long time until just now with the 5090. The 2500k is the last time I did. I actually tried it on the 8700k to hit the magical 5ghz but thermals went nuts and I didn't get any meaningful improvement. Undervolting is all the rage now because parts are generally over powered but your thermals are fine and even better considering it's SFF so I wouldn't worry about it. I only undervolted the 5090 because out of the box it is right on the power limit but even stock the thermals were nothing to be worried about.
If you're happy with everything and not facing any thermal issues then I'd just forget about it and enjoy it.
If you're happy with everything and not facing any thermal issues then I'd just forget about it and enjoy it.
I've only (slightly) adjusted the cpu fan curve. The Fractal Terra is "terra-ble" (bad pun) with turbulence with how close the cpu fan is to the side panel. If I had a smaller gpu there would have been more distance between the cpu's heatsink/fan and side panel, thus likely lower noise levels than I'm getting now. It varies a bit, some days it was like nails on a chalkboard annoying to me..... other days barely noticeable. My ears are hyper sensitive to certain noises due to tinnitus. I've tuned it down slightly, so it barely acts up and temperatures are not a worry.
Still need to test it on more intenseive games, Cyberpunk is begging for a run... but I'll wait for the ssd situation to get patched before I go on a massive download/installing spree.
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Do you wear headphones? While I don't like to run my fans too hard where they sound like a jet engine, I do have them set to be audible if my system does get hot but with headphones on and gaming I can't hear it. Even with open backs.
Without knowing your full configuration either but some food for thought, I have my case fans set to my gpu rather than the default CPU. Let any CPU cooling do it's own thing but the CPU is going to be constantly spiking and will even run a little warm if watching YouTube. The CPU wont saturate the case with heat though. Meanwhile if my graphics card hits 50s then the only thing I must be doing is gaming and that will heat soak the case if I don't move the air. The GPU also won't spike in temps and will drop as soon as you stop gaming. Therefore IMO it's easier to configure a cooling profile.
I've started to wear headphones, not so much to drown out the fans (it helps a little though) more because I haven't got my speaker setup sorted yet. Need to get new speakers soon-ish as my previous Logitech set don't function correctly (one speaker works, other kicks in and out periodically). I made do with my recent monitor purchase that has speakers built in, but granted they're NOT that good (barely better than headphone quality and not very loud).
I'm experimenting game by game, I don't need the fans to be full tilt in smaller games (not too much heat generated playing the old Sierra games for example).
I've seen some Terra case mods that sort out the echo from the fan noise, while it's interesting I don't want to wreck such a sexy looking case haha.
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I just read that Mwave's parent company went into voluntary administration a month ago and while it's business as usual to buy stuff they warn that cancelling orders or asking for any sort of refund may make you a creditor and no guarantee you will get your money back. This would have been a really tricky situation if it were a few months earlier...
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Looking at doing a new build to replace my AM4 build from 2019. I just don't know whether to pull the trigger on the GPU. Might be smarter to just hold on to the 3070 a little longer to see what AMD and Nvidia's next cards look like. I've heard rumours they will be packing more vram.
Was very tempted to pick up the 9070XT Hellhound on sale for $1099 but DLSS4 being better supported than FSR4 means I would prefer to pay a little more for a 5070 Ti.
Current Build:
CPU: R5 5600X
Mobo: B450 MSI Tomahawk Max
GPU: EVGA XC3 3070
RAM: 2x8Gb DDR4 3600 CL16
New Build:
CPU: R7 9800X3D
Mobo: Asrock B850 Pro-A
GPU: Nvidia 5070 Ti (any model, whatever has the best sale)
RAM: 2x16Gb DDR5 6000 CL28
Monitor is sorted. I picked up a Dell Alienware AW2725D.
Was very tempted to pick up the 9070XT Hellhound on sale for $1099 but DLSS4 being better supported than FSR4 means I would prefer to pay a little more for a 5070 Ti.
Current Build:
CPU: R5 5600X
Mobo: B450 MSI Tomahawk Max
GPU: EVGA XC3 3070
RAM: 2x8Gb DDR4 3600 CL16
New Build:
CPU: R7 9800X3D
Mobo: Asrock B850 Pro-A
GPU: Nvidia 5070 Ti (any model, whatever has the best sale)
RAM: 2x16Gb DDR5 6000 CL28
Monitor is sorted. I picked up a Dell Alienware AW2725D.
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I was looking at 5070tis for the bro in law just last night and the prices are a bit stupid on them at the moment. They're priced almost identical to the 5080s which are more decently priced (relatively speaking). I tried to see if I could interest him in the 9070xt which has a great price like you quoted and trades blows with both of those NVIDIA options but like many he also prefers NVIDIA tech like DLSS as well.
The Super refresh that is rumoured to happen will definitely have a vram bump now that the 3gb vram modules are available. I'm not sure if they'll bump the 5070ti vram because at the moment the 5080 doesn't have much separation and that's probably going to get the 16gb vram bumped to 24gb by using 8x3gb modules. The 5080 is already on a fully unlocked gb203 and the 5070ti is a cut down gb203 so there isn't much else left for improvement besides vram so it's looking like an underwhelming Super refresh. If you meant waiting for next gen then it's probably not going to be until late next year for either brand. May as well just pull the trigger now if it's what you want to do because there is always something else on the horizon. Personally I only tend to hold off when the expected launch of the next thing is inside about 6 months.
I agree with your point about buying now. I didn't realise the new stuff was that far away.
Not sure I agree about the 5080 being good value. There is still roughly $500 difference and the 5080 doesn't seem to perform much better in the benchmarks I've seen (+15% or so) and doesn't have an advantage with vram. I agree the 5070ti is overpriced but it's still less of a mental hurdle.
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The cheapest 5080s are around the most expensive 5070tis at the moment.
Granted that's more of a budget model and only a couple 5070tis are around the same price, but when the average 5070ti is around $1600 at the moment that's why I said relatively lol. The MSRP of the 5070ti is supposed to be $1500 and some are sub that already so I'm not sure how much discount is left in the budget models but maybe there is some wiggle room left in the more premium ones.
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Potentially having new computer issues. It's weird I've thrashed it around the last few weeks (Friday night, most of Saturday, most of Sunday). No BSOD or need to hard reset while in front of the system playing games etc...
However I've had a few instances when something gone awry when I've been afk. And I'm not sure (clutching at straws here) if the "playing conditions" cause it :-/.
I've returned to the pc a few times after letting various games run on auto pilot... but when I return and turn the monitor back on. The pc has restarted and I'm now greeted with the start up splash screen and loading into windows etc.
I'm yet to see the reset happen as I'm playing any game physically. So I haven't been able to replicate it nor discover its root cause. I'm wary about the ssd stuff over the week and a bit as well.
However I've had a few instances when something gone awry when I've been afk. And I'm not sure (clutching at straws here) if the "playing conditions" cause it :-/.
I've returned to the pc a few times after letting various games run on auto pilot... but when I return and turn the monitor back on. The pc has restarted and I'm now greeted with the start up splash screen and loading into windows etc.
I'm yet to see the reset happen as I'm playing any game physically. So I haven't been able to replicate it nor discover its root cause. I'm wary about the ssd stuff over the week and a bit as well.
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I swear every second day I get an article in my feed about how the latest Windows update with some certain hardware configuration is bricking PCs but when you dig in it's usually always some absolutely fringe edge case.
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Could be a power setting. Even though a game is running I don't know if it's detecting a lack of input. Especially if it's detecting the display is off.
Does anyone here know of a good place to sell my second hand PC parts? I thinking of trying to sell my CPU, RAM and Motherboard together as one sale. I could throw it on FB marketplace but I hate how people always ghost you.