Peter Gordon explores Swiss appeal and injunction on suspension

[Doss]

Actually, you didn't try too hard with that response.

Just agree to disagree.

I think you're generalising, you don't and that's fine. Cest la vie. I don't have the time or will to keep going back and forth. Mxett said it well above in my view, and I've often disagreed with him.

 

[sherb]

yeah I feel really angry and dissapointed at the club, as most essendon fans probably do. However I also dont agree with the extremist views of many on the HTB who want essendon either deregistered, or punished into extinction. I disagree with those who claim Hird was a drug cheat his whole career, who believe the players were in on everything, and the club set out from day 1 to cheat. I acknowledge they messed up horrendously but these views I cannot agree with. This is the reason I defend the club on here. You and others obviously feel I am defending all of the club's behaviours, which is simply untrue.

Actually I don't.

I actually think you have become so fixated on defending your club and its heroes in the face of (warranted) criticism, that you have become completely untrue to your own feelings on the matter.

I'd actually prefer to know how you really feel, rather than be in ongoing spin mode.

 

[mxett]

Actually I don't.

I actually think you have become so fixated on defending your club and its heroes in the face of (warranted) criticism, that you have become completely untrue to your own feelings on the matter.

I'd actually prefer to know how you really feel, rather than ongoingly be in spin mode.

well you wont get that on a forum with such gross exaggerations. Many of the views on here are way over the top and a defensive response is a given

 

[imperial_oz]

It's not about giving anyone "pleasure". I'd have far more respect for someone like you if you finally grew a set over this whole disaster.

It's about being pissed off enough with what your club has done to have the gonads to publicly express same.

All I have ever seen from Essendon supporters is apologists, blame shifters and deflectors.

As I have said before, the problem with most football supporters is that they simply can't bring themselves to go on a forum like this and berate their club and their heroes. "Blind defence" mode sinks in.

And we are still seeing it across the board with the Dons fans. Which is pretty sad after all they have been put through.

I'm not sure that going on a public forum to 'berate the club' would actually have any positive benefit.

It would be far more effective for fans to contact their club directly and let them know how they feel about things as I did with my club last year (nary a comment on here though) You cannot even go close to determining the nature and numbers of correspondence that the members and supporters have had with their club, neither can I. Thats why I won't pay out on Essendon supporters on here as a group. You'll have noticed I have had issues with individuals spreading bullcrap but that isn't the same thing

 

[DapperJong]

Lol sleep well?

Wtf does that mean?

 

[Walesy]

Forensic examination has failed to reveal any greater truth than people at the club trusted that Dank and Robinson knew more about the WADA code than anyone else. I applaud the club for pushing the limits, I am massively disappointed in the club for failing to understand the risks.

We are not the only club he duped and we wouldn't have been the last. It is a performance industry and unless the league controls things then people will always push the limits.

The club was too naive to see that the WADA code is one grey area that you don't want to explore.

When Geelong has admitted to sourcing substances from Stephen Dank to inject into injured players in 2009, or as Mooney put it "only standard supplements, no injections" - I imagine it was a proud moment for the club, that the fans should feel responsible for.

 

[Beerfish]

Would fail the drug test

Wouldn't fail the drug test but would still be scratched.

Hilarious clickbait ensues.

 

[evo]

The horse has to be Sea Kayaker!

maybe we could get a dishlicker as well.

I propose we call it Giggity!

 

[blackshadow]

maybe we could get a dishlicker as well.

I propose we call it Giggity!

He's more like a fighting ****...

 

[NoAFLinmycomp]

A lot of people have been arguing here, non-stop, for three years sherb.

Posting a lot doesn't mean endless deflection. I know for a fact mxett called for Hird's head years ago on the Essendon board and has been consistent in that ever since.

Yep - whenever I get the the idea that EFC regulars here on the HTB are "too interested in saving face and defending their club rather than actually expressing their true feelings", I sneak over the the Essendon club forum for a quick peak ....

I invariably end up scurrying back here to embrace their wellrounded, balanced and thoughtful views and discussions!

 

[Ancient Tiger]

But do all your patients KNOW the exact contents of the injection, other than what you tell them it is?

Being a doctor, they put their trust in me. I am licensed to administer drugs and my job requires me to give full disclosure to my patients. I am by law required to administer the drug they're expecting.

Dank is not a doctor. He has no license to actually touch another individual let alone inject them. Dr Reid did not perform any of the peptide injections I believe, so the players could not be assured that the person who was giving them the drugs knew what they were doing or was giving full disclosure.

 

[The 747]

When Geelong has admitted to sourcing substances from Stephen Dank to inject into injured players in 2009, or as Mooney put it "only standard supplements, no injections" - I imagine it was a proud moment for the club, that the fans should feel responsible for.

See this is the sort of thing that invites further vitriol, think we sourced one substance from an entity associated with him. But keep trying to smear every other club with your own excrement you know. One club got done for doping, one.

 

[ODNBlue]

I have on occasion, yes. But Im not sure you understand what its like to support a club that is mercilessly attacked on a forum, some of which is trolling or exaggeration.

You're kidding right... he barracks for Carlton... as do I... trust me, we know.

 

[Proper Gander]

Yes? It's all your fault PG. we have been successful in brainwashing you into the Easendon cult you can no longer make an informed decision.

I've always had time for Easendon

 

[DonsRule]

I've always had time for Easendon

But that's only because we persuaded you right....

 

[the conch]

So .....

The highest body, with the most experience in adjudicating these issues, has found your club cheated and your players were complicit.

It's a bit late to still be wallowing in the denial stage of grief.

Batman power punch: "WHAM"

 

[DonsRule]

Knowing people that know him, they say he is not the sharpest tool in the shed. Two things are possible on this front:

1. He was firing a warning shot to Essendon who knew he had used TB4. Although this seems plausible his panicked retraction and change to thymomodulin doesn't fit with this well.

2. He was being too cute. He completely forgot about its status a few months later and because that was the only thymosin MRC sold and was trying to generate some business, he accidentally put his foot in it. This explains his panicked reversal of what he meant - thymomodulin. Apparently, anyone who has listened to the actual Nick McKenzie tape of the interview comes away with the distinct impression that he was just so convincing in his admission of using TB4 and then his panicked reversal of what he claims he really wanted to say some time later. This is the version I believe to be true.

I think it was a warning shot.

I think he knew he was talking about tb4.

Most of what he talks about with his business. With tb4 is about its repair qualities of muscle etc.
The McKenzie interview he is talking about its immune qualities.


I know tb4 has some effect on the immune system, so I do know the interview as published doesn't not prove nor disprove much.

But that he was talking about its immune benefits I think he was upto something,, that may wel be he used tb4 and was warning Essendon.

I tend to. Think if he used it at Essendon he knew it was banned and just used it anyway. Thinking he would never be caught.

I do think it is possible however he was defrauding Essendon and this was a warning not to come after him, if he said he used tb4, even as a lie, I don't think the club would have a hope in hell of proving him wrong.


I do think he has something to hide, I do think what ever he knows however is enough of the puzzle where Essendon can not win much by goi after him.

 

[Percel]

He's more like a fighting ****...

I am happy to provide a massive slug

 

[the conch]

Yep - whenever I get the the idea that EFC regulars here on the HTB are "too interested in saving face and defending their club rather than actually expressing their true feelings", I sneak over the the Essendon club forum for a quick peak ....

I invariably end up scurrying back here to embrace their wellrounded, balanced and thoughtful views and discussions!

You ...... cockroach?

 

[Ancient Tiger]

I think it was a warning shot.

I think he knew he was talking about tb4.

Most of what he talks about with his business. With tb4 is about its repair qualities of muscle etc.
The McKenzie interview he is talking about its immune qualities.


I know tb4 has some effect on the immune system, so I do know the interview as published doesn't not prove nor disprove much.

But that he was talking about its immune benefits I think he was upto something,, that may wel be he used tb4 and was warning Essendon.

I tend to. Think if he used it at Essendon he knew it was banned and just used it anyway. Thinking he would never be caught.

I do think it is possible however he was defrauding Essendon and this was a warning not to come after him, if he said he used tb4, even as a lie, I don't think the club would have a hope in hell of proving him wrong.


I do think he has something to hide, I do think what ever he knows however is enough of the puzzle where Essendon can not win much by goi after him.

Surely if Essendon believe that they are innocent they would want to go after him. It would be a way of demonstrating to the public (and their supporters) that they really do want to get to the bottom of this. By just sitting by and letting him go, it just looks like they are too scared to disturb him because they know he can sink them further into oblivion. Even if they cannot win much by going after him, it is perception that is important. And perception at the moment is that they are too scared of what he might say. If they really think they are innocent, they really don't have much to lose.

 

[Percel]

I invariably end up scurrying back here to embrace their wellrounded, balanced and thoughtful views and discussions!

Scurry........good word that

 

[the conch]

'ever'?

Sherb. You're a smart guy. Why the needless application of mayo?

I know we stuffed up. I know we went too far in a quest for success.

Plenty of other Essendon fans think that too, believe it or not. See what mxett said above about why you might not see it as much here.. At what point do you say "okay, a lot of them do realise that, maybe they're still trying to make sense of the minutae. Doesn't mean they're deflecting on everything or even most things".

At some point you have to ask yourself whether you are maintaining the rage at something that started to lessen as a broad truth quite some time ago. Not just you, a lot of people.

Well that's just disingenuous. Of course I'm happy after a win.

And of course I'm disappointed after a loss. Or disappointed after my club lands itself in the excrement.

Ashamed after a loss? No. It's just footbal. Ashamed after this? No, it's just football. Other things are more important.

Agree with what you say, but I would be ashamed. It goes to a whole deficiency of sporting values, a mindset of the club, going back to Sheedy's dirty tricks and a kind of arrogance and entitlement. Come and barrack for the dogs. So much more enjoyable.

 

[CharacterFirst]

Forensic examination has failed to reveal any greater truth than people at the club trusted that Dank and Robinson knew more about the WADA code than anyone else. I applaud the club for pushing the limits, I am massively disappointed in the club for failing to understand the risks.

We are not the only club he duped and we wouldn't have been the last. It is a performance industry and unless the league controls things then people will always push the limits.

The club was too naive to see that the WADA code is one grey area that you don't want to explore.

Fair enough. But most people think we make a mistake thinking the only issue was being too naïve. If we live in this space, the next fall will be greater and heavier.

Nor do I think many, inc. the AFL, have covered themselves in any glory through the process during the last three years.

Don't look to the league to regulate your behaviour. Each club and individual must do it themselves.

 

[Doss]

Agree with what you say, but I would be ashamed. It goes to a whole deficiency of sporting values, a mindset of the club, going back to Sheedy's dirty tricks and a kind of arrogance and entitlement. Come and barrack for the dogs. So much more enjoyable.

Dogs are my second team, but I'm quite fine just where I am.

 

[Beerfish]

Agree with what you say, but I would be ashamed. It goes to a whole deficiency of sporting values, a mindset of the club, going back to Sheedy's dirty tricks and a kind of arrogance and entitlement. Come and barrack for the dogs. So much more enjoyable.

I've seen four flags and have every chance of seeing another before you do.. assuming you've ever seen one.

Doubt it.