Analysis Pick 1: Jason Horne-Francis vs rest of the field

[ferball]

agree, its manic, him and the zurhaar are only going to make oppo players take more 2nd looks or be very sore afterward.

Those two and Jed are nightmare for oppositions. JZ too tho he seems to have mellowed a bit with age.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

I had Rayner ranked 15th in his draft.

To say JHF is way ahead of Rayner at the same stage is an understatement.

I had Rayner & Dow outside the top 10. Replaced with Naughton & Fogarty. I also had Tim Kelly & Noah Balta in the top 15.

I bombed with Matt Ling & Lochie O'Brien. I though O'Brien had the potential to be one of the best from the 2017 draft because he was such a damaging kick. Still think Carlton's development has completely ruined him.

Rayner, I honestly couldn't believe he went number 1. You could see from a mile off that he wouldn't make the transition into the midfield.

On a side note, I actually had someone who was previously involved with the western jets mention to me that Eddie Ford would end up every bit as good as Rayner

 

[Val Keating]

Those two and Jed are nightmare for oppositions. JZ too tho he seems to have mellowed a bit with age.

Don’t think Ziebell’s mellowed, he’s body probably just banged up.

 

[King Corey]

Don’t think Ziebell’s mellowed, he’s body probably just banged up.

Reckon he had to pull his game back a bit too because he was getting special Jack Ziebell treatment from the tribunal.

 

[Val Keating]

Reckon he had to pull his game back a bit too because he was getting special Jack Ziebell treatment from the tribunal.

Born in the wrong era unfortunately.

 

[Jasemon]

Don’t think Ziebell’s mellowed, he’s body probably just banged up.

I recall him belting the living daylights out of Jack Silvagni twice in about 5 minutes only a couple of months ago. You could see he’d lost none of his enthusiasm for causing pain

 

[Souup]

Can i ask why?

Not having a go either. Its cos your assessments seem pretty good.

He had no development left in his body from a weight perspective, from memory he was something around 186cm and 88kg as an 18yo. He benefited from being bigger and stronger than his peers. As others have mentioned, he came along in the year Dusty tore apart and drew comparisons to Martin despite not having the same footskills or ability to accumulate when playing in the midfield at the same age. He never showed the ability to play as a full time midfielder and I thought he would be exposed at AFL level playing midfield as he wouldn't be able to bully others. Brisbane basically spent the #1 pick on a glorified half forward flanker.

It's actually similar to my issue with Elijah Hollands last year - he's not a midfielder and hasn't shown the stoppage ability to play there. He could develop it, but midfield is the hardest position to learn. The difference between Hollands and Rayner is Hollands has as good of a skill set as you'll see - elite kick, excellent on either foot, very good one on one mark. At this stage though, he's a mercurial forward at best.

I said at the time that LDU was the best talent in the 2018 draft and that opinion hasn't changed.

 

[Conundrum]

He had no development left in his body from a weight perspective, from memory he was something around 186cm and 88kg as an 18yo. He benefited from being bigger and stronger than his peers. As others have mentioned, he came along in the year Dusty tore apart and drew comparisons to Martin despite not having the same footskills or ability to accumulate when playing in the midfield at the same age. He never showed the ability to play as a full time midfielder and I thought he would be exposed at AFL level playing midfield as he wouldn't be able to bully others. Brisbane basically spent the #1 pick on a glorified half forward flanker.

It's actually similar to my issue with Elijah Hollands last year - he's not a midfielder and hasn't shown the stoppage ability to play there. He could develop it, but midfield is the hardest position to learn. The difference between Hollands and Rayner is Hollands has as good of a skill set as you'll see - elite kick, excellent on either foot, very good one on one mark. At this stage though, he's a mercurial forward at best.

I said at the time that LDU was the best talent in the 2018 draft and that opinion hasn't changed.

Great insights, just wanted to point out your typo about the draft year, should be 2017. Otherwise, it'd be looking like a close contest between LDU and TT!

 

[Benj7]

LDU, JHF & Simpkin screams judd, cousins and Kerr

 

[Sphynx]

JHF, JVR/Bazzo, CCJ looks like decent business to me.

 

[winalotroos]

LDU, JHF & Simpkin screams judd, cousins and Kerr

Stop it your getting me all worked up

 

[Jesslc]

Stop it your getting me all worked up

Add TT who has literally no equivalent

 

[Jasemon]

I said at the time that LDU was the best talent in the 2018 draft and that opinion hasn't changed.

I have a feeling that Naughton might go close by the end of his career to taking that mantle as well. Not complaining with LDU by any stretch however. He will be a star.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

I have a feeling that Naughton might go close by the end of his career to taking that mantle as well. Not complaining with LDU by any stretch however. He will be a star.

Yeah, Naughton will easily be the best from that draft class. I mean, there's every chance he's the best player in the game within 5 years, let alone the best player from 2017.

 

[Psicosis]

Edmund just absolutely quashed any chat about us trading Pick 1.

Said we love JHF & see him as the final piece in our young midfield.

 

[ferball]

Don’t think Ziebell’s mellowed, he’s body probably just banged up.

Yeah, fair enough.

 

[ferball]

He had no development left in his body from a weight perspective, from memory he was something around 186cm and 88kg as an 18yo. He benefited from being bigger and stronger than his peers. As others have mentioned, he came along in the year Dusty tore apart and drew comparisons to Martin despite not having the same footskills or ability to accumulate when playing in the midfield at the same age. He never showed the ability to play as a full time midfielder and I thought he would be exposed at AFL level playing midfield as he wouldn't be able to bully others. Brisbane basically spent the #1 pick on a glorified half forward flanker.

It's actually similar to my issue with Elijah Hollands last year - he's not a midfielder and hasn't shown the stoppage ability to play there. He could develop it, but midfield is the hardest position to learn. The difference between Hollands and Rayner is Hollands has as good of a skill set as you'll see - elite kick, excellent on either foot, very good one on one mark. At this stage though, he's a mercurial forward at best.

I said at the time that LDU was the best talent in the 2018 draft and that opinion hasn't changed.

Cheers.

I remember a bit of talk about Raynor being a man child at the time and the Dusty comparisons. I missed the draft night that year and was a bit confused when a mate said "we got the guy with the hyphen" the next morning. Because I genuinely couldn't think of anyone beside LDU with a hyphen in their name and thought there would be no way on earth he'd get to pick 4. Logged in here at the first opportunity and sure enough... i knew bolta was good. We went to the same school and he really played well, in the Herald Shield (or whatever it is these days) final according to a few people. Someone said he was a match winner. I remember my mum mentioning him on the phone one day before that draft. The only time that ever happened.

I dunno if it was some of you guys last year or just in general following the good draft watchers since I joined this board cos last year I did wonder where Hollands would pull the ability to win his own ball from. Compared to Phillips and Campbell in the Swans academy he just seemed nowhere near that sort of player. Given the time I've spent on here its good to have at least learned something.

 

[Mav]

Edmund just absolutely quashed any chat about us trading Pick 1.

Said we love JHF & see him as the final piece in our young midfield.

 

[ferball]

I have a feeling that Naughton might go close by the end of his career to taking that mantle as well. Not complaining with LDU by any stretch however. He will be a star.

Naughton is pretty damn good. Not as good as Duck but not many players since can mark like him.

 

[Hojuman]

Simpkin. LDU. Thomas. Powell. Phillips. JHF. Little bit of Cunners.

Yummy.

 

[Twinkletoes]

Naughton is pretty damn good. Not as good as Duck but not many players since can mark like him.

Yeah, he reminds me of a Kenny Hunter type. Has a freakish marking ability and seems to be made of rubber.

 

[Mav]

Yeah, he reminds me of a Kenny Hunter type. Has a freakish marking ability and seems to be made of rubber.

2 pot screamer?

 

[JerryWexler]

LDU, JHF & Simpkin screams judd, cousins and Kerr

Let's hope for you guys it doesn't relate to baldness, and the other stuff.

 

[speedy]

Has the purple knob lambasted us for not trading pick 1 for a free agent yet?

 

[amaz199]

Was listening to the radio and already clubs are throwing everything at us lmao.

We genuinely have the midfield mix to trouble a lot of teams in front of us and it's clear just how desperate everyone else is to mitigate that.