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Pick 23 - Possibilities?
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I'm guessing your very good source is from North Adelaide and recently.
I can personally guarantee you nothing could be further from the truth.
Mitch is a great kid and will fit in exceptionally well wherever he ends up. The selfish suggestion couldn't be further from the truth.
I agree though, Harvey is about 3 years away. And? Pods has a two year contract. Surely having a young key position player developing and learning would be a good thing? Outside of top 3 picks, very few KPP can play straight away. Besides, Tex, Pods and Jenkins are our only true KPP. Lynch and Lj aren't that type.
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The benefit of someone like Battersby is that he would be ready to play next year, thanks to a full year in the SANFL and that he's relatively mature physically, provided he worked in the preseason to increase his engine.
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I dont disagree with what you are saying,i just dont think that Tex Jenks and Harvey could play in the say team come 2018. Neither Tex or Harvey can adequately ruck, meaning Jenkins would still be vital.
I have a very good source. What was the reason that Harvey didnt play in the Prelim or Grand Final for Norths U18s then?
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The SANFL changed the date of the prelim 5 days before it was to be played and put it against his school Formal. I can tell you Harvey was very torn over it as he had committed to the formal night months in advance and had a significant role to play on the night.
Ultimately he chose to go ahead with the commitment he had made long ago. North's response was absolutely disgraceful. They chose to then remove him from the team and not allow him to play in the GF (which he would have).
In fact Francou's actions around this have been absolutely disgraceful. The things he has said to Harvey are inexcusable.
Personally I think Harvey should have played, but I know how torn up he was over it. You have to remember that he has some leadership roles at his school, had committed to attending, had a girlfriend who had spent significant money on dress etc...
Whatever he chose to do he was going to be letting someone down badly.
Where does the Harvey can't ruck comment come from? His height?
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Spot on. What i heard as well.
I guess you can look at it in 2 ways depending on what side you look at it from. FWIW i am not a North supporter, just have an ear to the ground at the club. Even with responsibilities etc, he shouldve play in the Finals and North were quite within their right to drop him. North Adelaide would have done everything in their power to help Harvey be where he is right now. Ready to be drafted and embark on an AFL career. And the way he repays them is by ditching the biggest 2 games of his North Adelaide career to go to a school event.
The team had to come first for mine. Whats next 2020 AFL GrandFinal he elects to miss because his Brother is having a bucks party the Friday before, organised months in advance and Mitch is his best man? I know its an extreme but i want a bloke who is 100% committed to the Football Club and achieving team success.
His height is at a massive disadvantage at AFL level to act as a ruckman. We have seen with Shaun McKeran who is listed as taller then Harvey struggle with this. SMacks talent as a pure ruckman is good enough to lead some teams rucking divisions but at 196cm his height works against him. Harvey has rarely rucked in his career, is smaller then Smack as we well know, he isnt going to get the necessary ruck coaching from anyone at the Adelaide Football Club either.
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How can we get our hands on James Aish or is that a pipe dream of epic proportions?
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23 + Henderson + DMack + Smack to St Kilda?
I think our best hope was from Melbourne. I doubt the Saints have as much of a need/want for those sort of players. And i cant imagine that lot going to GWS unless it was for serious cash.
I hope we go for either a ruckman or a key defender and then a forward. Unless an absolute gem has somehow slid to 23 (ie a gun midfielder) then we stick to one of the above. The problem is that this draft would have the least amount of depth in the rucks I have ever seen. Nankervis is clearly the best in the draft and I would not hesistate to nab him if he was there at 23 subject to the above. He is physically more mature than most his age and will end up as a Mumford type. Big body, very strong, likes to push and shove and a good tap but no Dean Cox. But lets face it, not many are.
Dunstan I rate highly and would like him, he'd add more depth and is a similar type of footballer to Scott Thompson, similar skills and ability. Perhaps not quite the clearance machine of Scotty T in his prime however, a peg below.
Dumont again is similar to Dunstan. Average to ok skills, jack of all trades master of none. Very good hands and has more time than most around him. A Sam Mitchell type but again, I don't expect him to reach those levels.
Harvey I don't rate at all and I wouldn't draft him in the main gig. Perhaps a rookie spot to see how he develops but he is far too one-dimensional for me. Good mark and kick but is about 20 years too late.
Hartung another I wouldn't draft
Battersby I rate highly and would love the bloke. A fighter, a terrier and a guy that gives 150% every game, he works so hard all over the ground and is neat off both sides of the body. His senior SANFL performances were exceptional. Better than Aish at the same level. Infact he's been the best performed SA kid at that level this year. Aish just has 2 medals because he plays for the best side.
I'd like to see Cameron Giles around at 23, he's an option and a quality key defender who can run off but also play forward and kick goals. Strong mark but not a plodder. Bit of a young Bock in the way he plays. Can rack it up.
Keep an eye on the bigfooty phantom that I am in again for the crows, hopefully can nab a good player.
Dunstan I rate highly and would like him, he'd add more depth and is a similar type of footballer to Scott Thompson, similar skills and ability. Perhaps not quite the clearance machine of Scotty T in his prime however, a peg below.
Dumont again is similar to Dunstan. Average to ok skills, jack of all trades master of none. Very good hands and has more time than most around him. A Sam Mitchell type but again, I don't expect him to reach those levels.
Harvey I don't rate at all and I wouldn't draft him in the main gig. Perhaps a rookie spot to see how he develops but he is far too one-dimensional for me. Good mark and kick but is about 20 years too late.
Hartung another I wouldn't draft
Battersby I rate highly and would love the bloke. A fighter, a terrier and a guy that gives 150% every game, he works so hard all over the ground and is neat off both sides of the body. His senior SANFL performances were exceptional. Better than Aish at the same level. Infact he's been the best performed SA kid at that level this year. Aish just has 2 medals because he plays for the best side.
I'd like to see Cameron Giles around at 23, he's an option and a quality key defender who can run off but also play forward and kick goals. Strong mark but not a plodder. Bit of a young Bock in the way he plays. Can rack it up.
Keep an eye on the bigfooty phantom that I am in again for the crows, hopefully can nab a good player.
Not that St Kilda would ever do that, but essentially we would be trading Vince, Hendo, Mookay and Smack for Aish? The kid would want to become one hell of a player
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100% agree.
A little bit melodramatic there.
Harvey had a conflict and made a choice to miss one game. North made the choice to ban him from the GF.
I can tell you that Harvey was getting plenty of advice from his manager that it was in his own best interests (in terms of draft position) to play in the match. If he was a me me me person he would have played.
If anything his loyalty to others was his mistake (and also something to be admired). Still, you may need to know a bit more of the lead up and relationship between Harvey and North to understand why he made that decision. My understanding is that leading up to the conflict Harvey had been let down badly by North.
In terms of rucking - that is only partially true. He has rucked a lot and only in recent years has been converted in to a Key Forward (essentially after the U16 10 goal grand final).
My concern would be that Harvey's best work is in the ruck where he reads the ball exceptionally well around the ground, but at 195 cm probably can only pinch hit in the ruck. He may have a similar issue to McKernan.
If Harvey was 200cm he would be in the top 5 in the draft.
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Agree to disagree on the first part. Melodramatic maybe, but if we are drafting a bloke i want him 100% committed to winning a flag with us.
If Shaun McKernan was 200cm we wouldnt even be having this argument, we wouldnt have Angus Graham on the list and maybe not even Jenkins too. Unfortunately like Harvey he isnt and its another reason as to why id look elsewhere,
Disagree we shall
Ha ha yes you are right about McKernan. Although I'm certain Harvey is a much better forward than McKernan will ever be.
Will have to wait and see what direction we go, but Harvey will get drafted and I suspect somewhere between 20 and 30.
I suspect we will go for a mid though.
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I rate Dunstan very very highly, and then, a reasonably close second Battersby. Dumont isn't bad either - but I am a Roosters supporter, and he upset me greatly 2 weeks ago....
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I can second that guarantee.
Still dont know whether we can afford to spend our (effectively) first round pick on a kpp that needs 2-3 seasons before he's ready to play. Assuming we intend to take our second draft pick and IF he is still there at 46, then its a different story.
We MUST pick up a KPF either this year or next. Doubt they would use 23 on Harvey only because unless big blokes are absolutely elite, teams rarely draft them early.
Battersby all day every day for me. I have a bias though being associated with Pembroke School who have produced a few draft picks recently. On the note, Alex Forster may be worth a rookie spot - second round pick in just 2011, had injuries in 2012 and was starting to put it together in the WAFL this year. Ross Lyon is so good with development
Battersby all day every day for me. I have a bias though being associated with Pembroke School who have produced a few draft picks recently. On the note, Alex Forster may be worth a rookie spot - second round pick in just 2011, had injuries in 2012 and was starting to put it together in the WAFL this year. Ross Lyon is so good with development
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We MUST pick up a KPF either this year or next. Doubt they would use 23 on Harvey only because unless big blokes are absolutely elite, teams rarely draft them early.
Battersby all day every day for me. I have a bias though being associated with Pembroke School who have produced a few draft picks recently. On the note, Alex Forster may be worth a rookie spot - second round pick in just 2011, had injuries in 2012 and was starting to put it together in the WAFL this year. Ross Lyon is so good with development
Is Battersby a Pembroke boy?
Sure is. Add him to Forster, Horlin -Smith, Monfries , and our 1st 18 has done pretty well recently
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Sure is. Add him to Forster, Horlin -Smith, Monfries , and our 1st 18 has done pretty well recently
Yep, probably why I could never get a game
Lol - move over Sacred Heart!!Yep, probably why I could never get a game
