Pick 25 wasted ??

[mattyspies]

pick 25 for clarke (we have goldsac and maccaffer who are clearly better not getting a game) and jamie elliot (good player but could of picked him up with our second round pick) and pick 67 (which is like here have this piece of nothingness!)

What we should have done was given pick 25 + goldsac for hamish macintosh or thrown the kitchen sink at him. I mean having jolly and macintosh (with wood as depth) as our ruck division next year would have been great.

Instead we have clarke (whose 25 next year) playing in our seconds along with a kid we could have picked up with our second pick. What were we thinking? And to say the draft is shallow is nonsense. They've been saying that ever since the hodge-ball-judd draft. Matthew Llyod said this draft was going to produce stars and he ought to know with his deaings with the AIS.

 

[HFF]

Re: pick 25 wasted

lol I'll trust the judgment of a man who is the messiah on this board and at our club...Derek Hine.

Back to school junior.

 

[JOELY]

Re: pick 25 wasted

Im going to back Hine on this one. Bloke deserves any benefit of the doubt (and personally i don't doubt this decision much).

 

[dansa]

Re: pick 25 wasted

I'm not excited by this trade either but the Club have shown over a long period of time that they rarely make mistakes.

Trust Hine and the club. They usually know what they're doing.

 

[unplugged]

Re: pick 25 wasted

Our premiership window is currently wide open so we addressed what we need the most. 25 isn't by any means old and it's certain that Clarke will be working overtime to attempt to break into the side. Watch for him to again lead the time trials as soon as next month.

Jamie Elliott is just someone who we have to trust Hine etc on. I wouldn't put it past them to find a hidden gem with pick 67, either.

We don't need 5 ruckmen.

Good trade for our immediate future if you ask me.

 

[Dundalis]

Re: pick 25 wasted

lol I'll trust the judgment of a man who is the messiah on this board and at our club...Derek Hine.

Back to school junior.

Martin Clarke has naught to do with scouting (Hine), everyone knows what kind of player he is.

It is apparently a nothing draft and our first round pick is basically a second rounder in most drafts. Therefore I don't think there's any cause for concern in the deal.

I still think it's perplexing bringing in a player who will clearly struggle to get a game next year for anything, much less our first round pick. Seems to me like a deal based in sentiment for a former player. Hine however may feel like there isn't going to be much at 25 and that Elliot is a pretty talented pick up to drop 40 places in the draft.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Re: pick 25 wasted

Raph Clarke?

 

[regpies]

Re: pick 25 wasted

Wasted? Hardly, we get Marty who will add depth and step into ben johnsons role when he retires, plus another kid, so instead of hoping that kid will make it through to our 2nd rd pick we can get someone else. 2 players for the 1 pick in a dud draft.

McIntosh is cooked, good player but is now too injury prone, not worth going after

 

[spudmaster]

Re: Pick 25 wasted

What we should have done was given pick 25 + goldsac for hamish macintosh or thrown the kitchen sink at him. I mean having jolly and macintosh (with wood as depth) as our ruck division next year would have been great.

That relies on a few things
1) McIntosh wants to be traded
2) Kangas are prepared to trade him
3) Kangas think 25+a player is adequate compensation
4) Kangas are remotely interested in Goldsac
5) 25+Goldsac is the best offer available for HMAC

 

[HFF]

Re: pick 25 wasted

Martin Clarke has naught to do with scouting (Hine), everyone knows what kind of player he is.

Originally, Hine found him.

Secondly, there's no doubt Hine played a part in bringing him back, has a very good relationship with Marty.

Thirdly, Hine would have thought that the value we would be getting from Clarke as well as a youngster in Elliot (who he must rate to want) as well as obtaining a late pick which effectively is a "live" draft pick for us far outweighed any benefit we would have received from keeping the pick and picking up one player from the draft.

 

[mattys123]

Re: Pick 25 wasted

How did we waste the pic?

We picked up a player who walks into the best 25 players at the club, and adds significant speed and foot skill to an already strong list, but a list that lacked the depth during the finals series to replace some players who were clearly injured.

Plus we are going to pick up 2 more youngsters (Elliot and a kid at pick 67), all this for a mid second round draft pick (1st round my arse, it's pick 25).

Plus the AFL has forced our hand a little bit here, forcing us to trade with GWS for Marty rather then just re drafting him or signing him up as an international rookie again.

I think it's a better deal then the Krakouer/Ceglar deal last year, as Krak was only ever going to last 3-4 years, as Marty could play another 7-8 seasons with his peak endurance, and Marty is a lot more versatile then Krak.

It's not a waste, and all 3 of the "gains" will show this for years to come.

 

[TradeDraft]

Re: Pick 25 wasted

Spot on Matty - Clarke could replace Davis for RD 1.

Elliot could play Next Season

Pick 67 could be anything

 

[Dundalis]

Re: pick 25 wasted

Originally, Hine found him.

Secondly, there's no doubt Hine played a part in bringing him back, has a very good relationship with Marty.

Thirdly, Hine would have thought that the value we would be getting from Clarke as well as a youngster in Elliot (who he must rate to want) as well as obtaining a late pick which effectively is a "live" draft pick for us far outweighed any benefit we would have received from keeping the pick and picking up one player from the draft.

I was talking about this trade, not his initially drafting.

Second, you basically cut out the second half of my post then proceeded to say the exact same thing I said in the part you cut out.

 

[HFF]

Re: pick 25 wasted

I was talking about this trade, not his initially drafting.

Second, you basically cut out the second half of my post then proceeded to say the exact same thing I said in the part you cut out.

Yeh but I said it better and with more style.

Honestly though Dunds, what's your assessment of this trade? Satisfied, just content or disappointed or perhaps other?

 

[PieBeast]

Re: Pick 25 wasted

I'm not jumping for joy at this deal either but we haven't done too bad out of it IMO.

Marty might slot in nicely at half-forward, Elliot looks to have nice potential as a small forward who might end up as a decent inside mid and pick #67 will probably get used on Witts.

 

[Old Spice]

Re: Pick 25 wasted

Bucks clearly rates him and has put his hoof of approval on this one. I reckon Buckls will try and be more versatile with him around the ground.

Small defender, small forward, wingman.

 

[Dundalis]

Re: pick 25 wasted

Yeh but I said it better and with more style.

Honestly though Dunds, what's your assessment of this trade? Satisfied, just content or disappointed or perhaps other?

Bah, screw style, it's all about being vague and ambiguous.

Pretty much what I said in my post. I wouldn't have brought Clarke back for free. Think about the quality of our running backs and midfield, especially with Leon carrying on for another year. What's the point? Unless we try to turn him into a forward, but he doesn't really have the right toolset for that. Just seems like a deal based in sentiment, as you said Hine has a good relationship with him.

I know next to nothing about Elliot so I expect the value in the trade to come from there if this deal is to be looked upon as a good one in the future. Plus whether there are many good players that come out of this draft that we miss out on in the first round.

 

[ant22]

Re: Pick 25 wasted

I think what people are forgetting is that marty clarke was 21 when he played his last game. He had played the game for 2 years and had lots of improvement. He also seems to have added alot of strengh to his frame and watching the International rules last year he seems to be alot stronger overhead than he was a few years ago. I would expect a signicantly better marty clarke than the one we saw 3 years ago.

 

[ant22]

Re: pick 25 wasted

Bah, screw style, it's all about being vague and ambiguous.

Pretty much what I said in my post. I wouldn't have brought Clarke back for free. Think about the quality of our running backs and midfield, especially with Leon carrying on for another year. What's the point? Unless we try to turn him into a forward, but he doesn't really have the right toolset for that. Just seems like a deal based in sentiment, as you said Hine has a good relationship with him.

I know next to nothing about Elliot so I expect the value in the trade to come from there if this deal is to be looked upon as a good one in the future. Plus whether there are many good players that come out of this draft that we miss out on in the first round.

Plays as a forward in Ireland and is a good kick, quick and has pretty good hands. Not out of the question that he could play as a forward or atleast spend some time in the forward line.

 

[Krueger]

Re: Pick 25 wasted

Elliot could play Next Season

Is he that good? If a first year rookie gets a game ahead of blokes who have been in the sytem much longer then our depth is pathetic.

 

[pauly_moss]

Re: Pick 25 wasted

Extremly happy to have POTATOES!!!!!!!!!! back

good trade Clarke was a gun that was poorly utilised in my eyes was clearly best 22 and will be next year by the 2nd half of teh season at the buisness end. May take a little bit to get the read of the game back but so stoked to have him.

Plus we pick up Elliott and dont lose a pick, yes it drops down some but Dane Swan was somewhere between 50 - 70 maybe we can get another diamond in the rough. In my eyes another stroke of genious by the club 3rd year running

 

[rose jam]

Re: Pick 25 wasted

Not sure on Marty, he played 2009 in the reserves. Don't really need him until 2013 when BJ and Leon retire.

He's not a forward because he doesn't turn players inside out or mark well.

But Bucks and Hine would have good memories of him.

Depth pick.

 

[Rohan25]

Re: Pick 25 wasted

I can't say I'm too happy with this trade at all, but I figure Hine and the recruiting department have earned our trust by now, so I'll support it. Good luck to both players.

 

[BEEG]

Re: Pick 25 wasted

Will back Hine but will say this

I think it is a crap decision look how Richmond got there man went down one spot why couldn't we do something similar like pick 25 for Clarke and Pick 30

He could not get a game 2 years ago what has he improved in to make him get into one off the best 22 in the comp

I have been saying for a while we need pace with X factor Pearce should gave been the only bloke we chase him on a HFF would be a gun stupid decision

 

[wicksy]

Re: Pick 25 wasted

Spot on Matty - Clarke could replace Davis for RD 1.

Elliot could play Next Season

Pick 67 could be anything

I'm in no way against this trade but LOL wut?!