Pick Swap Completed

[NEGAN]

Considering that we should have enough points to cover for Jones and schofield next year, this trade makes a lot of sense. Including 29 is fine given that in all likelihood that pick would have been used to match a bid on Mead anyway.

3 first rounders last year, another three this year, and likely 2 next year with Schofield and Jones. In a league that is so unequally compromised, I have to credit the recruiting team to put us in a position whereby we have the necessary player personnel to accelerate any rebuild. That is of course, provided we have a coach and a coaching staff that can get the most out of.these young talents whilst putting together a cohesive and attractive brand of footy that can be identified as Port Adelaide football.

This...

Our recruitment team is legit and cutting edge...I rate them and their calculated risks.

 

[Andre]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11...g-as-it-looks-to-trade-future-firstround-pick

There was a premium to be paid to get into this year's first round, which we were prepared to pay. Just like last year where despite all the talk of buying up top 5 picks (how many ways did we hear that the crows were going to get pick 2 and/or 3?), only one club managed to do it. And we did it by moving fast early and setting the price for a top 5 pick.

If the Hawks are desperate then let them know if they come to us with a deal that's clearly in our favour we'd trade 16 or 18. Only if clearly in our favour though.

 

[bomberclifford]

What if it were pick 16 in this year's draft compared to pick 2 or 3 in next year's draft? A lot of people seem happy to dismiss that possibility with 'lol don't worry, we'll finish 10th again'. But we might not. There's significant downside risk in our list profile. And we only won 4 more games than the 17th placed team this year.

It disturbs me no end that the people making these decisions have no reason to care about this potential outcome, as if it did eventuate, they know they'd most likely be gone anyway.

You seem to be saying that the club should only base it's draft strategy this year on the worst possible outcome next year. If everyone operated this way, no one would ever trade a future pick.

At some point, you need to back yourself in and they (the club) are basing their decisions on their goal of finishing eighth or higher.

We (the supporters) will only know how this will pan out later on. We can't possibly base our assessment on this pick swap until the draft is done, the next season is played, and the ramifications of this deal are realised.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Why do people want to be shitty every single decision the club makes?
Any trade is a risk but Port obviously thought the odds are in our favour to do this now.

Port thought the odds were in our favour to sign Ken Hinkley to the ends of 2021.

We are well past the point of 'trust the club, they know what they're doing' being a viable argument.

 

[TeeKray]

You seem to be saying that the club should only base it's draft strategy this year on the worst possible outcome next year. If everyone operated this way, no one would ever trade a future pick.

At some point, you need to back yourself in and they (the club) are basing their decisions on their goal of finishing eighth or higher.

We (the supporters) will only know how this will pan out later on. We can't possibly base our assessment on this pick swap until the draft is done, the next season is played, and the ramifications of this deal are realised.

I don't even think bottom 10 teams should be allowed to trade future first round picks. Poorly performing clubs shouldn't be trusted to mortgage their futures like that. Just my opinion, not even a Port thing.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

This...

Our recruitment team is legit and cutting edge...I rate them and their calculated risks.

If they are cutting edge, why haven't they drafted a successful KPF since 1996 and only traded in, another successful one in 2009. Dixon the jury is still out, 1 very good year in 4??

 

[manureid]

I am still more concerned about the fact this current coach may get re-signed if we scrape in to 8th and lose first week of finals for another 3 years of wasting any talent we do happen to have on the list.

 

[NEGAN]

If they are cutting edge, why haven't they drafted a successful KPF since 1996 and only traded in, another successful one in 2009. Dixon the jury is still out, 1 very good year in 4??

No one in the past 6 years doubted our lists capabilities. They assembled a very good list...our coaching department on the other hand

 

[OneGreatClub]

Port thought the odds were in our favour to sign Ken Hinkley to the ends of 2021.

We are well past the point of 'trust the club, they know what they're doing' being a viable argument.

So every decision the club makes.. even if it is swapping draft picks is going to be knocked . Seriously?

 

[Schulzenfest]

So every decision the club makes.. even if it is swapping draft picks is going to be knocked . Seriously?

I'd love nothing more than for the club to make a trade that I can't knock. But if they keep making demonstrably shit trades like this one, yeah.

Just as an example, Melbourne gave up their 2020 1st rounder + pick 26 for pick 8 this year. Pick 8. We traded out basically the same package for pick 16 and some chaff late picks.

 

[chiwigi]

and then Mead gets nominated prior to pick 18...

We'd have to let him go, if we blink at a bluff we are setting ourselves up for years of hurt.

 

[Willsy10]

6 first rounders plus Mead in the last 2 drafts at least means that this rebuild is in full swing and we can quit beating around the bush about that. A clear plan appears to be in place to rejuvenate this list with a mini rebuild with top end talent in quality drafts.

Plus hitting the draft hard whilst the likes of Boak, Gray, Ebert, Westhoff etc are still around to lead and nurture these young players, avoids bottoming out completely like in 2011-2012. I honestly can't see us dropping off that much next year, I'm actually expecting us to be slightly better, i'm thinking around 7th - 9th.

I'd love for the likes of those senior players above to have some success before they retire but i do think time is running out for those guys, but you never know if these young ones come on quicker than expected and the next couple years may pan out better than expected. But the bigger picture is that when these players do inevitably retire we've hopefully got a good young crop ready to take us forward with a couple years of footy under their belts.

 

[Janus]

I'd love nothing more than for the club to make a trade that I can't knock. But if they keep making demonstrably shit trades like this one, yeah.

Just as an example, Melbourne gave up their 2020 1st rounder + pick 26 for pick 8 this year. Pick 8. We traded out basically the same package for pick 16 and some chaff late picks.

Melbourne finished second last, and conceivably could do exactly the same next year if their issues are list related, since they are in their peak right now.

 

[bomberclifford]

I don't even think bottom 10 teams should be allowed to trade future first round picks. Poorly performing clubs shouldn't be trusted to mortgage their futures like that. Just my opinion, not even a Port thing.

That seems very arbitrary. Surely these are the teams that need to access draft collateral more than those that finish at the top.

 

[The Rubber Man]

What if it were pick 16 in this year's draft compared to pick 2 or 3 in next year's draft? A lot of people seem happy to dismiss that possibility with 'lol don't worry, we'll finish 10th again'. But we might not. There's significant downside risk in our list profile. And we only won 4 more games than the 17th placed team this year.

It disturbs me no end that the people making these decisions have no reason to care about this potential outcome, as if it did eventuate, they know they'd most likely be gone anyway.

yeah in that case its terrible. Its a risk

But playing the odds, can see why we went ahead with it.

Barring significant injuries, we should be in a similar spot.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

No one in the past 6 years doubted our lists capabilities. They assembled a very good list...our coaching department on the other hand

What? Plenty of people have talked about holes is in our list.

 

[ExpectToWin]

Port thought the odds were in our favour to sign Ken Hinkley to the ends of 2021.

We are well past the point of 'trust the club, they know what they're doing' being a viable argument.

The list managers didn't sign Hinkley

 

[Powerade 08]

Cutting edge recruitment, lol

Have not found us a half decent KPP or pure mid since 2012 when we got Wines and Clurey.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I'd love nothing more than for the club to make a trade that I can't knock. But if they keep making demonstrably shit trades like this one, yeah.

Just as an example, Melbourne gave up their 2020 1st rounder + pick 26 for pick 8 this year. Pick 8. We traded out basically the same package for pick 16 and some chaff late picks.

Melbourne gave up their 2020 first rounder + pick 26 + pick 50 for pick 8 only. Port gave up their 2020 first rounder and pick 29 for pick 16, 52 and 55. The two 70s picks swapped, meh.

We gave up our 2020 first rounder for another 2019 first rounder. The 'chaff late picks' we received back basically balance out pick 29 because Mead.

The two pick swaps aren't comparable. If we gave up three rounds of picks for pick 8 only, your head would explode.

 

[Macca19]

What if it were pick 16 in this year's draft compared to pick 2 or 3 in next year's draft? A lot of people seem happy to dismiss that possibility with 'lol don't worry, we'll finish 10th again'. But we might not. There's significant downside risk in our list profile. And we only won 4 more games than the 17th placed team this year.

It disturbs me no end that the people making these decisions have no reason to care about this potential outcome, as if it did eventuate, they know they'd most likely be gone anyway.

To suggest the club don't care is silly. They would have run through numerous scenarios and determined that this would have been an acceptable trade to make, not to mention they probably would have had to have gotten board approval to do this trade.

If clubs traded based on absolute worst case scenarios then no club would ever trade.

If we on-trade this pick so we get say pick 7, will that make the trade more worthwhile?

 

[Jonts]

I don't even think bottom 10 teams should be allowed to trade future first round picks. Poorly performing clubs shouldn't be trusted to mortgage their futures like that. Just my opinion, not even a Port thing.

BRING IN AN NBA LIKE PROTECTION SYSTEM

 

[PatientMental]

I don't even think bottom 10 teams should be allowed to trade future first round picks. Poorly performing clubs shouldn't be trusted to mortgage their futures like that. Just my opinion, not even a Port thing.

BRING IN AN NBA LIKE PROTECTION SYSTEM

AFL would never do that because big and successful Vic teams with a very good record for trading out high picks for players who from time to time finish bottom 10 would revolt.

*Totally not talking about Hawthorn or anything.

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

Ok, i got to the point where i wanted a poor year next year, to get rid of ken and to get a high draft pick. Now they have gone and fkd that one.

 

[Macca19]

I'd love nothing more than for the club to make a trade that I can't knock. But if they keep making demonstrably shit trades like this one, yeah.

Just as an example, Melbourne gave up their 2020 1st rounder + pick 26 for pick 8 this year. Pick 8. We traded out basically the same package for pick 16 and some chaff late picks.

Are you sure you want to use this trade to back up your opinion?

 

[NEGAN]

What? Plenty of people have talked about holes is in our list.

Well let's look at fairly..

We haven't had any opportunities to draft Lynch Kennedy etc most of them were top draft picks ...

We had sarge who's body broke down and then we scrambled and pickedRyder who we turned AA and Charlie who has had injuries and playing in a disfunctional forward line.

We turned Dougal from pick 56 into 18 and we are now ready to unleash Ladhams Hayes and Marshall....