List Mgmt. Player Ages Thread

[Yoda_]

Him along with about 10 team mates. Ridiculous amount of times Carlton players didn't attack the ball, instead tried to take it and avoid contact. So soft.

The difference though?

Bryce Gibbs has been doing it since game 1

 

[Zach Package]

I've been all over 'Skippy' this year.. Love his output this year and his cross game between attack and defence. Can play in a pocket but would be a welcome half forward/midfielder in any line up.



Just worth noting there aren't a great deal of 'ready made ruck men' in the state leagues this year (hence the idea of trading TBC is rubbish). If it were to come to getting someone, would it be better getting a guy like Callum Sinclair (west coast eagles) who can play as a forward or a ruckmen to an ok level offsetting the potential loss of multiple KPP's (before you say anything, I wouldn't be trading TBC, Gumby I would look at offers for).

Just reckon guys like Max Gawn, Daniel Currie, Jesse White wouldn't be looking to come to Essendon and play as depth like they currently are.

Good call on Sinclair. Rookie listed, unlike the others. And from Melbourne. He's behind Lycett as well, so it's not as if he's a Cox retirement away from cementing a spot

 

[Yoda_]

Good call on Sinclair. Rookie listed, unlike the others. And from Melbourne. He's behind Lycett as well, so it's not as if he's a Cox retirement away from cementing a spot

I'd called out Sinclair 3 years ago after a dominant year for Port Melbourne as a 21 y.o

Lycett will come good I'd say and has been playing forward at times for his WAFL club probably in order to give him that versatility to impact games in a variety of positions.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Gumbleton + First rounder + Jetta for Yarren and Gibbs

Gibbs is a free agent next, no point trading for him when we can get him for nothing if he wants to play for us. But I hear he wants to go back to Adelaide so I doubt he'd agree to a trade to Essendon.
Also Yarran isn't very good, not sure why anyone would entertain thoughts of trading him for a player with 2 arms and 2 legs in good working order.

 

[ant555]

Would take Sidebottom if he was on offer. The bloke could play almost all his time forward for us and he kicks goals. His skill set is ok, has been reliable at 64% kicking eff plus his whole career.

As for Gibbs would take him as well, yes he is softish but we have enough inside hard nuts. We actually need a quality outside finisher and that is what Gibbs is.
Personally i would be looking at the Dogs, if they want Gumby or Pears then i would be looking at Griffen.

Not overly worried about our next gen, well not as worried as Yoda. Yes there are a few live Davis, Obrein, and Browne who have a lot of question marks but Merrett looks the goods, Kavanagh has done enough for mine so far given 2012 was a year to rebuild his body and was on a limited program.
Despite being most peoples whipping boy i am seeing real gains by Melksham.
Hams has looked a solid pick.
Then we have the mature aged picks like Baugley and Kommer doing good things.
Plenty to work with despite the seconds being ordinary results wise.

 

[eth-dog]

Sidebottom would be good in the Monfries type role

 

[GUMBLETRON]

Personally i would be looking at the Dogs, if they want Gumby or Pears then i would be looking at Griffen.

And they'd laugh in your face.

 

[Yoda_]

Would take Sidebottom if he was on offer. The bloke could play almost all his time forward for us and he kicks goals. His skill set is ok, has been reliable at 64% kicking eff plus his whole career.

As for Gibbs would take him as well, yes he is softish but we have enough inside hard nuts. We actually need a quality outside finisher and that is what Gibbs is.
Personally i would be looking at the Dogs, if they want Gumby or Pears then i would be looking at Griffen.

Not overly worried about our next gen, well not as worried as Yoda. Yes there are a few live Davis, Obrein, and Browne who have a lot of question marks but Merrett looks the goods, Kavanagh has done enough for mine so far given 2012 was a year to rebuild his body and was on a limited program.
Despite being most peoples whipping boy i am seeing real gains by Melksham.
Hams has looked a solid pick.
Then we have the mature aged picks like Baugley and Kommer doing good things.
Plenty to work with despite the seconds being ordinary results wise.

Im not worried per sey about our next gen, just a couple of our kids aren't really kicking on as much as I would have liked. Nick O'Brien is the one I was reffering to, but then again, looking purely from his stats p.o.v, he is averaging high teens/low 20 possessions per game.

Im not overly worried about the state of our list, just think some on here (myself included) may be disappointed when first round of delistings are made..

 

[yaco55]

Good old Blicavs - The steeplechaser who was really a 1500m runner, but moved up to the steeplechase, because it gave better prospects of Olympic selection.

 

[ant555]

And they'd laugh in your face.

Did not mention a final package. Griffen is not in their next window. No point us just going for a second round pick for Gumby, not that i want to trade him. A second round pick is not going to be thing that sends us into a GF in the next few seasons.

 

[eth-dog]

ant555 What type of player is Dyson's brother? What round would be looking at getting him?

EDIT: Heppell I mean

 

[ant555]

ant555 What type of player is Dyson's brother? What round would be looking at getting him?

EDIT: Heppell I mean

Similar to Dyson, not as good overhead. Plays half back midfield. Not as good at this stage and i do not see him as a top 40 prospect but in saying that Dyson was never really seen as a top 40 guy early on either, he was hard working and then just got better and better in his final TAC year.

He would be looked at by a lot of clubs later on in the draft but at this stage he would be considered a later range pick.

 

[ant555]

Im not worried per sey about our next gen, just a couple of our kids aren't really kicking on as much as I would have liked. Nick O'Brien is the one I was reffering to, but then again, looking purely from his stats p.o.v, he is averaging high teens/low 20 possessions per game.

Im not overly worried about the state of our list, just think some on here (myself included) may be disappointed when first round of delistings are made..

Think it is the state of the list now days that will see some "surprise" de-lisitings . Players who have shown a bit will be in the gun and may possibly end up doing good things with someone else.

 

[Ambrosia]

Not really. Pears has played 4 games this year. 2 have been very good against poor opponents, and the other 2 he's been completely embarrassed. He was fit from those 2 major injuries last year and now should be turning in consistently good performances, which he isn't. He's been living off the reputation of ONE good season 4 years ago. It's time he built on that and so far he hasn't.

If Fletcher retires at the end of the year we'll probably have Hooker and Hurley combining to play his role (Hooker with the third man up and Hurley with the kicking), with Carlisle taking the #1 key forward. If your next excuse is depth, it's called drafting players from the VFL/WAFL/SANFL etc.

On current output, I would be very surprised.

I'm confident Pears will turn it around. I think he's at a point where he has finally got his body right and now just needs to get his confidence back.

 

[Yoda_]

Think it is the state of the list now days that will see some "surprise" de-lisitings . Players who have shown a bit will be in the gun and may possibly end up doing good things with someone else.

Assuming your talking about a guy like Alex Browne who has shown he can play at AFL level?

Any guys your liking at the moment ant555?

Would love a ruckmen and south out some more info on NSW ruckmen Max King, but like always, he is linked to GWS/Sydney through their academy was one who can play.

 

[BrunoV]

Gambleton + First rounder>Gibbs
Jetta=Yarren

I think you're blinded by your hatred of Carlton eth.

Yarran is probably the best front runner in the game. He is more skillfull, much faster and has much clearer hands than either Jetta or Davey,arguably the best hands and the game, and would be a significant upgrade on both. He would certainly need to improve the defensive side of his game but he's shown in fits and spurts that he is capable of it.

Gibbs is one of the classiest players in the game. Much like Goddard, you won't find him on the bottom of packs because it is a huge wast of his talents. These guys are attacking role players and ought to get credit for it every bit as much as dour taggers and shit defensive forwards do. I think that with Gibbs he hasn't been developed properly, being left at half back for far too long, but I would be confident that he would be a star with the proper mindset (Malthouse will get this out of him anyway).

 

[eth-dog]

I think you're blinded by your hatred of Carlton eth.

Yarran is probably the best front runner in the game. He is more skillfull, much faster and has much clearer hands than either Jetta or Davey,arguably the best hands and the game, and would be a significant upgrade on both. He would certainly need to improve the defensive side of his game but he's shown in fits and spurts that he is capable of it.

Gibbs is one of the classiest players in the game. Much like Goddard, you won't find him on the bottom of packs because it is a huge wast of his talents. These guys are attacking role players and ought to get credit for it every bit as much as dour taggers and shit defensive forwards do. I think that with Gibbs he hasn't been developed properly, being left at half back for far too long, but I would be confident that he would be a star with the proper mindset (Malthouse will get this out of him anyway).

Yarran is shit. He's soft, runs one way, and is the most overrated player in the AFL. He chokes under pressure, squibs a lot of contests and I would prefer Davey because Davey works harder defensively and kicks as many goals/game as Yarran. There's only one thing I would trust Yarran to do when we're 5 points down with not long remaining in the Grand Final, and that's run fast. I can't see him applying pressure to keep the ball inside 50 or him delivering it down forwards throat on the flank to win us the big one.

Gibbs is soft. When it's his turn to go, he squibs it and lets the opposition get the ball. Does he have good skills? Yes. But I would prefer someone who will go when it's there to be won for us, and I have no doubt that everybody on our list would do that, except maybe Jetta. I don't have confidence that Gibbs would do that.

 

[BrunoV]

But you take these guys with the aim of developing them into what we need. That's the point, you look at what you need and the sorts of realistic targetsthat could satisfy these needs and develop the rest of their games.

Neither Yarran or Gibbs is soft and both would be the most skillful players at Essendon bar Goddard. I'm not saying that I would give up what is required to bring either of them across but unless you're trading in a top 5 midfielder every player is going to have his deficiencies.

 

[eth-dog]

Not for the price we'd have to give up.

 

[BrunoV]

We certainly agree there although I have a feeling that Yarran may not be overly expensive (Gibbs is not someone I would pay for because he doesn't have the speed). It probably shouldn't be enough but I'd gladly give up our first round pick for Yarran. Guys with his level of ability don't come around very often at all. I'll say that in wanting him I'd back us to round out his game so that he can become a star of the competition.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

But you take these guys with the aim of developing them into what we need. That's the point, you look at what you need and the sorts of realistic targetsthat could satisfy these needs and develop the rest of their games.

Neither Yarran or Gibbs is soft and both would be the most skillful players at Essendon bar Goddard. I'm not saying that I would give up what is required to bring either of them across but unless you're trading in a top 5 midfielder every player is going to have his deficiencies.

Ricky Dyson is more skillful than both. Maybe we get him back for free?

 

[Dale4captain]

Sorry if it's been discussed in this thread previously, but cannot be fuarked reading through 40 pages for my answer.

What is Gumby valued at by this board? General consensus on the D&T board is that he's surplus to needs and will benefit from a new club with a greater opportunity and a larger pay packet. 'Dogs will be sniffing hard and fast and would go as far as to offer him 2 years at $250-300,000 heavily performance based/games played contract, permitting a medical review. I believe it all depends on Gumby's head space. If he wants to stay, his value goes up. if he wants to leave, we will have the upper hand. He's 3rd or 4th in line as your KPF so it's an interesting situation.

Now the tough part would be the negotiations. No doubt you guys will be wanting a second rounder, and quite rightly tbh. A serviceable KPF who can take a good grab is a rare commodity in the Bulldogs team. I think the dogs second rounder is far too early, though. It'll likely sit at 21-22, which will be tricky to deal with.

One option is the dogs trade to get a pick in the late 20's/early 30's but we don't have the cattle to get that done IMO.

The next option would be our second rounder for Gumby and your third rounder (which could end up being around pick 50!) which is ripping the doggies off a bit.

A final option which could be plausible is the 'Dogs second and third rounders for Gumby and your second rounder. Essentially pick 21 and 39 for Gumby and pick 31-34. I see this as the best option.

Of course, their is the whole ASADA charade going on, and they could penalise you picks and ladder position in which case could change your entire approach to trade week. You may be desperate toget into the draft to snag your smokey or you may be happy to steer clear and push on with your list development, using the late picks you may receive to pick up what you need. But I find all that unlikely. We'll stick with the present and not speculate on the future

 

[jono18]

Sorry if it's been discussed in this thread previously, but cannot be fuarked reading through 40 pages for my answer.

What is Gumby valued at by this board? General consensus on the D&T board is that he's surplus to needs and will benefit from a new club with a greater opportunity and a larger pay packet. 'Dogs will be sniffing hard and fast and would go as far as to offer him 2 years at $250-300,000 heavily performance based/games played contract, permitting a medical review. I believe it all depends on Gumby's head space. If he wants to stay, his value goes up. if he wants to leave, we will have the upper hand. He's 3rd or 4th in line as your KPF so it's an interesting situation.

Now the tough part would be the negotiations. No doubt you guys will be wanting a second rounder, and quite rightly tbh. A serviceable KPF who can take a good grab is a rare commodity in the Bulldogs team. I think the dogs second rounder is far too early, though. It'll likely sit at 21-22, which will be tricky to deal with.

One option is the dogs trade to get a pick in the late 20's/early 30's but we don't have the cattle to get that done IMO.

The next option would be our second rounder for Gumby and your third rounder (which could end up being around pick 50!) which is ripping the doggies off a bit.

A final option which could be plausible is the 'Dogs second and third rounders for Gumby and your second rounder. Essentially pick 21 and 39 for Gumby and pick 31-34. I see this as the best option.

Of course, their is the whole ASADA charade going on, and they could penalise you picks and ladder position in which case could change your entire approach to trade week. You may be desperate toget into the draft to snag your smokey or you may be happy to steer clear and push on with your list development, using the late picks you may receive to pick up what you need. But I find all that unlikely. We'll stick with the present and not speculate on the future

One thing that people are forgetting is that the Bombers don't really need to trade any of their talls especially Gumby. The team is set to push for a flag over the next couple of years why trade out key position depth. They've persisted with Gumby all this time & finally they've sorted out his issues only to trade him to the Dogs for a mid second round pick. I can't see that happening. Gumby declined the Dogs last year & I'm guessing he will do the same this year. With Fletcher retiring this year or next Hurley will most likely go down back allowing Gumby more game time and not to mention Daniher won't be ready to play 22 consistent games for a couple years.
Sorry to burst your bubble but don't think the EFC will be doing much in Trade week, the Dogs will just need to take a leaf out of the Essendon hand book and develop their own.

If you want a player especially key position to move then usually you pay overs. If the Dogs are desperate for Gumby they'll need to cough up something good, overs. If the Dogs aren't prepared for this then they'll just have to be patient and wait for their young forwards to develop.

 

[King Of The Hille]

Gambleton + First rounder>Gibbs
Jetta=Yarren

You're an idiot.

 

[RearNaked]

KEEP ALL THE TALLS !!!!

NO SQUIBS!!

NO CARLTON PLAYERS!!

YARREN AND GIBBS ARE BOTH !!!!!!!!!

maybe try for dal santo