Status in Question Player removed from Hall of fame?

[TheHumanShoe]

So your solution to intolerance is to be intolerant, got it.

There's a huge difference between being intolerant to certain hateful views and being intolerant to certain races of people that you want them to be eliminated.

It's not the same. The fact that you're trying to compare and even suggest both actions are remotely alike and comparable is appalling.



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[Jim Prideaux]

He was one the main hosts of one of the most popular shows on Australian TV for two decades, that has to count for something experience wise.

It does not have to count.

 

[GudOnya]

There's a huge difference between being intolerant to certain hateful views and being intolerant to certain races of people that you want them to be eliminated.

It's not the same. The fact that you're trying to compare and even suggest both actions are remotely alike and comparable is appalling.



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I'm not comparing the ideologies, I'm comparing the treatment of opposing ideologies. Forcible suppression of opposition and claims of acting for the greater good (whether that be for community or nation or race) are key tenets of fascism. Sure I think these guys must be dickheads if they are neo-nazis, but banning them from having any kind of voice themselves because they are fascists is fascist in itself.

The price for living in a "free" society is that, as long as it doesn't breach the law, they are just as free to be dickheads as we are to call them dickheads for it. We don't have to like it or agree with them but if you want the freedom to decide on these things for yourself then that freedom needs to granted universally (again, within the law).

 

[TheEscapeClub]

if what newman is doing now is cause to be removed from the hall of fame then surely ablett senior should have got the boot years ago.

No, Ablett Snr's entrance to the HoF was delayed for years because he is a shit human. It will probably prevent him from ever being elevated to Legend status despite the fact he's at least as good a player as anyone already a Legend.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Wonder if he'd give radical Islamists the same platform?

I reckon he would, if he could get them.to engage. He's a pretty intelligent bloke and would love the chance to make them look / sound silly.

 

[dmc333]

Given his platforming them has inadvertently now got them deplatformed from X, can he stay in the hall of fame?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/scumbag-sam-newman-calls-out-neonazi-blair-cottrell/news-story/aa010a22a3e22a69bbceafd355348874

 

[hairy biker]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/scumbag-sam-newman-calls-out-neonazi-blair-cottrell/news-story/aa010a22a3e22a69bbceafd355348874

So Cottrell supposedly turned up uninvited, but rather than request him to leave, Newman still went ahead with the interview and subsequently posted the recorded interview (which Cotterill participated in) on his podcast.

Indeed according to Cotterill “After walking inside, I shook his (Newman's) hand and suggested I would wait off-set on the couch, but Sam said: “You can jump on as well if you want to” before gesturing for me to sit next to Tom.
Cotterill adds “The actual reason for all the criticism is he naively believed he could interview black-listed ‘Nazis’ with impunity."

Cutting comeback from Newman;
“My only disgust is you trying to link me to your pathetic platform,” Newman wrote in reply.

Giving Sewell and Cottrell air-time does somewhat take away Newman's moral high ground.

But at least one thing we know now is that, accoring to Sammy boy, Sewell is the polite neo-nazi and Cotterill the rude one.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

So Cottrell supposedly turned up uninvited, but rather than request him to leave, Newman still went ahead with the interview and subsequently posted the recorded interview (which Cotterill participated in) on his podcast.

Indeed according to Cotterill “After walking inside, I shook his (Newman's) hand and suggested I would wait off-set on the couch, but Sam said: “You can jump on as well if you want to” before gesturing for me to sit next to Tom.
Cotterill adds “The actual reason for all the criticism is he naively believed he could interview black-listed ‘Nazis’ with impunity."

Cutting comeback from Newman;
“My only disgust is you trying to link me to your pathetic platform,” Newman wrote in reply.

Giving Sewell and Cottrell air-time does somewhat take away Newman's moral high ground.

But at least one thing we know now is that, accoring to Sammy boy, Sewell is the polite neo-nazi and Cotterill the rude one.

Well... I guess Ted Bundy was also a charming serial killer in some sense so polite neo-nazi isn't too much of a stretch.

Still hilarious to hear they got banned off X as a result of Newman having them on though which I'm sure we can all celebrate.

 

[Chicken Treat]

Platforming a neo nazi who proudly posted on social media a desire to rape a TV presenter is a bit off.

 

[H00t]

People will really bend over backwards to defend Nazi’s.

There’s no place in society for Nazi’s or their views.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

People will really bend over backwards to defend Nazi’s.

There’s no place in society for Nazi’s or their views.

Has anyone defended a Nazi in this thread?

Think people are defending Newman and his right to interview people, not the two scumbags he had on that day

 

[Saints4ever]

I’ve never watched Sam Newmans podcast.

Seen the outcry here and felt the need to watch it.

Clearly Sam wasn’t supporting them and has every right to interview whoever he wants.

Already watched another 4 or so episodes.

Well done Sam it worked a treat and you would be getting many new listeners and becoming relevant again be that good or bad media.

 

[H00t]

Has anyone defended a Nazi in this thread?

Think people are defending Newman and his right to interview people, not the two scumbags he had on that day

Defending Newman in this case is defending giving Nazi’s a platform to spread their hateful messages to a wider audience.

It very much comes across as defending Nazi’s and allowing them into society.

 

[Saints4ever]

Defending Newman in this case is defending giving Nazi’s a platform to spread their hateful messages to a wider audience.

It very much comes across as defending Nazi’s and allowing them into society.

What about documentaries on serial killers is that giving them a platform?

 

[Northernsoul74]

I thought most of his schtick was for shock factor but I suspect he’s not mentally well.

 

[TheHumanShoe]

What about documentaries on serial killers is that giving them a platform?

What about that? Nice deflection.

 

[Saints4ever]

What about that? Nice deflection.

You can interview anybody you want doesn’t mean you support them.

I’d suggest the general media have given those 2 nazi flogs more of a platform than Newman.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Defending Newman in this case is defending giving Nazi’s a platform to spread their hateful messages to a wider audience.

It very much comes across as defending Nazi’s and allowing them into society.

Do you have an issue with this being available online?




My suspicion is you merely have an issue with Newman in general (fair enough).

 

[TheHumanShoe]

You can interview anybody you want doesn’t mean you support them.

I’d suggest the general media have given those 2 nazi flogs more of a platform than Newman.

Yes, you can interview someone without supporting them but what would possess anyone to even give them the time of day? The media wouldn't be talking about them currently if Newman didn't invite them on to his podcast...

 

[Saints4ever]

Yes, you can interview someone without supporting them but what would possess anyone to even give them the time of day? The media wouldn't be talking about them currently if Newman didn't invite them on to his podcast...

Newman invited them on because he heard about them in the media.

If the media didn’t highlight them he would’ve never known about them.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Yes, you can interview someone without supporting them but what would possess anyone to even give them the time of day? The media wouldn't be talking about them currently if Newman didn't invite them on to his podcast...

I think some people just have the opinion that sometimes the best way to expose people's vileness is to let them have a voice to do so themselves.

I like to base my opinions on something I've heard straight from the horses mouth rather than what I've been told from someone else.

 

[TheHumanShoe]

Newman invited them on because he heard about them in the media.

If the media didn’t highlight them he would’ve never known about them.

Are you implying that it's the media's fault for him interviewing them and he isn't responsible for what he did?
If he didn't interview them causing backlash and controversy these two people wouldn't be as widely known or listened to.

 

[H00t]

What about documentaries on serial killers is that giving them a platform?

Not going to engage in your whataboutism.

This is about Newman giving a platform to Nazi’s.

 

[TheHumanShoe]

I think some people just have the opinion that sometimes the best way to expose people's vileness is to let them have a voice to do so themselves.

I like to base my opinions on something I've heard straight from the horses mouth rather than what I've been told from someone else.

We already know that Neo-Nazis are vile.