Players that nominate one club.

[The Finger]

What are peoples thoughts on players that openly nominate a club they want to be traded to? Really holds their current club to randsom I feel and often means a fair trade cant be done. Should it be allowed as it could be seen as draft tampering.

 

[sTeeL]

We lost Judd and Ebert to this phenomenon. Crossing my fingers Stevens doesn't bone us like this too.

It sucks for the team giving up the player. Port got their current best player for a pittance because of it.

 

[Suma Magic]

Good for the club they nominate (and the player), bad for their current club.

Should work out in the long run.

 

[iameviljez]

What are peoples thoughts on players that openly nominate a club they want to be traded to? Really holds their current club to randsom I feel and often means a fair trade cant be done. Should it be allowed as it could be seen as draft tampering.

I only have an issue with it in certain cases. The most important thing, for mine, is that if players just nominate one club, they need to be honest about it and they need to accept that it limits their chances of a move.

The best example that I can think of was Caddy last year, who only nominated Essendon, but also claimed that he wanted to move south because his father was unwell. He wound up having to stay at the GC because Essendon couldn't get the deal done. Had he been willing to move to a side that had procured a pick in the top ten, he probably would have played in Victoria this year.

 

[dlanod]

Need more clubs sending players into the PSD. That'd change it up a bit.

 

[iameviljez]

Need more clubs sending players into the PSD. That'd change it up a bit.

It does mean that more clubs will start to make tough decisions on players with one year left of their contract. Those acquainted with soccer will be a bit more familiar with the concept - whether you let the player go where they will with one year left, receiving compensation, or lose them for nothing after an extra years' service.

 

[Astro Bomber]

What happened with Luke ball? How did he end up getting to Collingwood at pick 30 in 2009 draft

 

[iameviljez]

What happened with Luke ball? How did he end up getting to Collingwood at pick 30 in 2009 draft

Through only nominating them, and being really injury prone.

 

[The Finger]

What happened with Luke ball? How did he end up getting to Collingwood at pick 30 in 2009 draft

Wouldn't talk to any other clubs so he basically manipulated the draft. No team would risk taking him as they couldn't do any physical testing. Its basically against the rules yet the AFL turned a blind eye.

 

[TradeDraft]

Wouldn't talk to any other clubs so he basically manipulated the draft. No team would risk taking him as they couldn't do any physical testing. Its basically against the rules yet the AFL turned a blind eye.

Sour Grapes Much

 

[The Finger]

Sour Grapes Much

Just the truth. It was draft tampering.

 

[Astro Bomber]

His explanation sounded accurate to me. There would be sour grapes if he had have played this year and helped you get to a grand final.

 

[Lemma]

Stupid response. Ball draft-tampered.

 

[TradeDraft]

Stupid response. Ball draft-tampered.

Then why did the AFL do nothing?

 

[Lemma]

What could they have done? It was a loophole

 

[Lions_Fan]

The rules need to be changed. Another thing i'm sick of is players wanting to return home. Ok, I get it, it's difficult to be away from your families and such, but what happened to the sacrifices made to be an AFL player that I used to hear about?

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Unlike most other professional sports that involve trading, we require the player/s in question to agree to the move. While that remains the case, players will choose where they want to go, and given history tells us they have a 90+% chance of getting there, why wouldn't they?

 

[dlanod]

It does mean that more clubs will start to make tough decisions on players with one year left of their contract. Those acquainted with soccer will be a bit more familiar with the concept - whether you let the player go where they will with one year left, receiving compensation, or lose them for nothing after an extra years' service.

TradeDraft's trolling of other clubs aside, I think the competing aims of the three parties involved in these types of trades makes the whole thing tricky:
- The player only wants to be traded to one club
- The team losing the player wants the best compensation they can get
- The team getting the player wants to give up the least compensation they can

In general it does ending up being fair enough. The team losing the player never gets market price in these situations because it's not like there's a bidding war save for odd cases like Mitch Clark going to Melbourne (and even that could be argued as unders). However, in general, they get something reasonable because the alternative is that if the receiving team does low ball the trade to the point where the losing team perceives themselves getting no benefit, the player can be sent to the PSD and that literally benefits no one - the player can end up anywhere, the team losing the player gets no compensation and the team getting the player... well, doesn't.

 

[The Finger]

The biggest issue with Ball was that he refused to be tested or interviewed by any other club but Collingwood. He was also using their high altitude room while still listed with StKilda. If thats not draft tampering Im not sure what is.

 

[Iva Bigun]

Sour Grapes Much

Don't think its sour grapes, Collingwood will one day be on the other end of it ( as all clubs mine included) will be and you may well be signing a different tune then.

 

[Iva Bigun]

The biggest issue with Ball was that he refused to be tested or interviewed by any other club but Collingwood. He was also using their high altitude room while still listed with StKilda. If thats not draft tampering Im not sure what is.

Then it is tampering and he should of been excluded from the draft

 

[The Finger]

Then it is tampering and he should of been excluded from the draft

Correct. Id love see what would happen if the best four WA or SA based kids refused to speak to any clubs outside there states or wouldnt go to any testing. The AFL would got ape shit.

 

[Wokko]

Nick Stevens didn't get where he wanted when he selected Collingwood and had to play out his career with a basketcase. Doesn't always work out for the player. On the other hand Collingwood bent over and took it when Nick Davis wanted to go home, so like some people have said it goes both ways and tends to even out. Of course some of the poorer or interstate clubs will probably have to deal with the issue a bit more than the likes of Coll/Ess/Carl.

 

[The Finger]

Nick Stevens didn't get where he wanted when he selected Collingwood and had to play out his career with a basketcase. Doesn't always work out for the player. On the other hand Collingwood bent over and took it when Nick Davis wanted to go home, so like some people have said it goes both ways and tends to even out. Of course some of the poorer or interstate clubs will probably have to deal with the issue a bit more than the likes of Coll/Ess/Carl.

Big differance though was Stevens wasnt hiding anything from any other club. Ball manipulated where he would get drafted.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Nick Stevens didn't get where he wanted when he selected Collingwood and had to play out his career with a basketcase.

Yeah, but this is very, very much the odd one out when it comes to out of contract players nominating clubs.

In hindsight Scotland and a first rounder would have been a fine deal for Port.