Draft Expert PMBangers' (and ‘friends’) 2022 Draft Board

[PMBangers]

Interesting that is what you got. The numbers I have show only 1 of 3 20m tests for Cam and a time of 3.065. Quite a big difference in that if yours are right he is in the top 25% and if mine are right he is in the bottom 25%. How did you get your numbers?

I'm being nice and putting up his best run, he was 'DQ'd' a couple of times for a rocking start

anywhere for the public to see all the combine results?

Nope

 

[pushintheback]

I'm being nice and putting up his best run, he was 'DQ'd' a couple of times for a rocking start

Nope

His combine performance will have zero effect on his draft position.

 

[TheAthlete]

His combine performance will have zero effect on his draft position.

Can someone explain me how you could select him ahead of Phillipou?

 

[pushintheback]

Can someone explain me how you could select him ahead of Phillipou?

Recruiting is largely an opinion based industry backed by a lot of data that can be read in many different ways. Unless you are pick #1 who cares whether you are pick 2 or 42 as long as you get on a list that's the main priority.

For what it's worth we are splitting hairs between McKenzie and Phillipou.

 

[Wce17]

Any idea how Tyrell Dewar tested? WCE NGA so interested how he went!

 

[NameoftheGame]

Is there somewhere that has the results by player by there position? Keen to see the all the forwards stats together, midfields even the rucks to get a clearer picture

 

[Futbolista]

Any idea how Tyrell Dewar tested? WCE NGA so interested how he went!

Didn't he finish top 10 in the vertical? I'm not 100% sure actually.

Don't get me wrong, I like Dewar but he is a work in progress. I suspect he doesn't like the weights room but in fairness not many do.

 

[TheAthlete]

Recruiting is largely an opinion based industry backed by a lot of data that can be read in many different ways. Unless you are pick #1 who cares whether you are pick 2 or 42 as long as you get on a list that's the main priority.

For what it's worth we are splitting hairs between McKenzie and Phillipou.

Yeah that makes sense but in this case one is fitter, faster, more athletic, taller and younger. That's why I find it hard to suggest McKenzie should be taken higher

 

[PMBangers]

Can someone explain me how you could select him ahead of Phillipou?

Yeah that makes sense but in this case one is fitter, faster, more athletic, taller and younger. That's why I find it hard to suggest McKenzie should be taken higher

When in doubt, Vic bias

 

[Gosaints12]

where do you guys think is the likely destination for jhye clark?

Geelong


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[Gosaints12]

I would be shocked if it wasn't 2 of Wardlaw, Shezeel and Tsatas. These 3 have been high on all rankings all year.

My gut feeling is Sheezel and Tsatas.


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[Gosaints12]

Recruiting is largely an opinion based industry backed by a lot of data that can be read in many different ways. Unless you are pick #1 who cares whether you are pick 2 or 42 as long as you get on a list that's the main priority.

For what it's worth we are splitting hairs between McKenzie and Phillipou.

Having seen a lot of both of them they will be close both will be top 10.


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[TheAthlete]

Having seen a lot of both of them they will be close both will be top 10.


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If you are splitting them is is relevant to you that one is taller, faster, more athletic, better endurance and younger?

 

[Wild Bill]

My gut feeling is Sheezel and Tsatas.


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I would prefer Wardlaw and Sheezel.

 

[FrogDude]

If you are splitting them is is relevant to you that one is taller, faster, more athletic, better endurance and younger?

I mean there is a lot more to football than just athleticism though. Lachie Neale is arguably the best mid in the game and I'd say his only athletic advantage over others is his endurance, which is something that can be worked on during their career.

Mackenzie is a lot cleaner as a player and will probably be a safer pick than Phillipou, it simply depends on how aggresive a club wants to be at the draft.

 

[TheAthlete]

I mean there is a lot more to football than just athleticism though. Lachie Neale is arguably the best mid in the game and I'd say his only athletic advantage over others is his endurance, which is something that can be worked on during their career.

Mackenzie is a lot cleaner as a player and will probably be a safer pick than Phillipou, it simply depends on how aggresive a club wants to be at the draft.

Maybe I haven't seen Phillipou fumble much at all but if you are trying to seperate players and if the argument is their current performance is similar surely you take the person with clearly the bigger upside. Maybe that's just me.

 

[PMBangers]

Maybe I haven't seen Phillipou fumble much at all but if you are trying to seperate players and if the argument is their current performance is similar surely you take the person with clearly the bigger upside. Maybe that's just me.

Do you happen to like Phillipou by any chance?

 

[TheAthlete]

Do you happen to like Phillipou by any chance?

hahahah It's more confusion about how players are rated? I am a fan but would prefer if you could answer my question if that is ok rather than concerning yourself about my motivation. I am clearly a fan but does it make my point invalid?

 

[TheAthlete]

Do you happen to like Phillipou by any chance?

I just want genuine debate on young talent. I thought this was the platform. If I am wrong I apologise.

 

[PMBangers]

hahahah It's more confusion about how players are rated? I am a fan but would prefer if you could answer my question if that is ok rather than concerning yourself about my motivation. I am clearly a fan but does it make my point invalid?

I just want genuine debate on young talent. I thought this was the platform. If I am wrong I apologise.

Overall I also am a fan of Phillipou, he was one I was keen to see grip his opportunities more coming into the year and he's done that well all things considered. I just don't see him as a safe pick to translate to the midfield currently, I still think he'll be a good forward that will pinch hit through there of course given his overhead marking and scoreboard impact, but it seems a lot of the Top6 ratings have come on the back of the 'Bont' comparisons. In comparison to MacKenzie, MacKenzie's consistency at higher levels stands out currently, I say this understanding that Phillipou played a bit injured during the Champs, but even when injury free he was in and out of games, just never really took a game by the throat like I expected.

Both obviously athletic, although I feel MacKenzie uses his burst a bit better from stoppages, and both can be playmakers heading forward. I think Mackenzie has better use by foot around the ground, but both are keen decision makers and good with their hands in close

Ultimately, I see Mackenzie as a safer pick, a higher floor but lower ceiling than Phillipou, and like how well rounded his game is. Phillipou has a lot of moments, but still fades in and out. If I'm a club with an already strong young midfield core coming through, then I'm picking Mattaes as that potential POD, but looking at the clubs in the top 10 there's not many I think can afford to take that risk when the relative safety of MacKenzie is an option.

 

[TheAthlete]

Overall I also am a fan of Phillipou, he was one I was keen to see grip his opportunities more coming into the year and he's done that well all things considered. I just don't see him as a safe pick to translate to the midfield currently, I still think he'll be a good forward that will pinch hit through there of course given his overhead marking and scoreboard impact, but it seems a lot of the Top6 ratings have come on the back of the 'Bont' comparisons. In comparison to MacKenzie, MacKenzie's consistency at higher levels stands out currently, I say this understanding that Phillipou played a bit injured during the Champs, but even when injury free he was in and out of games, just never really took a game by the throat like I expected.

Both obviously athletic, although I feel MacKenzie uses his burst a bit better from stoppages, and both can be playmakers heading forward. I think Mackenzie has better use by foot around the ground, but both are keen decision makers and good with their hands in close

Ultimately, I see Mackenzie as a safer pick, a higher floor but lower ceiling than Phillipou, and like how well rounded his game is. Phillipou has a lot of moments, but still fades in and out. If I'm a club with an already strong young midfield core coming through, then I'm picking Mattaes as that potential POD, but looking at the clubs in the top 10 there's not many I think can afford to take that risk when the relative safety of MacKenzie is an option.

Yeah that's a fair summation. I guess the only game in the national champs where he played mid most of the time he had 27 and 17 contested and 2 goals. As a mid in under18s he regularly got over 30 with multiple goals. I think your concerns are more representative of opportunities or injuries at the highest level. However I can see without the added context how people could think he is less consistent.

 

[PMBangers]

Yeah that's a fair summation. I guess the only game in the national champs where he played mid most of the time he had 27 and 17 contested and 2 goals. As a mid in under18s he regularly got over 30 with multiple goals. I think your concerns are more representative of opportunities or injuries at the highest level. However I can see without the added context how people could think he is less consistent.

The other unfortunate thing, at least for me, is that SANFL U18's is just not a good competition for top talents. I think the top end is of course very good, and generally equal if not a slight step below that of NAB League, but the depth is really poor, so weight of performance is harder to judge.

Regardless it's obvious he's got superb traits and there's a reason he's likely to go within the first dozen picks, when we get to the top end though unless there's a clear gap in talent it's a lot of nitpicking/ personal preference to separate the players, and generally when I'm in a spot where I rate two kids or a group similarly like Tsatas, MacKenzie, Clark, Humphrey, Phillipou and Busslinger I'm generally going to favour players I've seen in person a lot more given that gives a better overview of their game.

 

[RanaNaved]

Mackenzie reminds me a little of Swan, chunky legs with a fair old booty, powering out of stoppages. Navigates through traffic well too.

 

[TheAthlete]

The other unfortunate thing, at least for me, is that SANFL U18's is just not a good competition for top talents. I think the top end is of course very good, and generally equal if not a slight step below that of NAB League, but the depth is really poor, so weight of performance is harder to judge.

Regardless it's obvious he's got superb traits and there's a reason he's likely to go within the first dozen picks, when we get to the top end though unless there's a clear gap in talent it's a lot of nitpicking/ personal preference to separate the players, and generally when I'm in a spot where I rate two kids or a group similarly like Tsatas, MacKenzie, Clark, Humphrey, Phillipou and Busslinger I'm generally going to favour players I've seen in person a lot more given that gives a better overview of their game.

Yeah it makes perfect sense and I don't think you are alone at all. Being in SA I assume I am the same. I guess I just think the very best recruiters are the least risk averse. If you are picking at the top end of the draft I just don't see the point in being safe. It seems crazy to me. You will fail with some picks at the top end because everyone does but to be risk averse is silly to me. People who overlook Phillipou for some of the other safer picks will be making a mistake in my humble but I take that opinion with anyone who is a superior young athlete because their ability to become special is just different.

 

[Bastyy]

Nice to see you've finally opened up your thread to your "friends" Bangers. Was loving this thread but was disappointed that you were the only point of insight