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Depends whether they are rewarding form or potential. Doolan probably deserves the gig on recent form but I think they will go with Khawaja. Having Watson, Cowan, Hughes and Warner would be a no-no for me as they are all openers.This would be my preffered 11 for the Hobart test:
Cowan
Warner
Watson
Clarke
Hussey
Doolan (gets the gig ahead of Uzzy for me, bias I know but I don't care :P)
Wade (just, needs a good test with the gloves moreso than with the bat)
Siddle (Should be right to go)
Starc
Hilfy (If any ground in the country is gonna suit, its Bellerive Oval)
Lyon
 
Hussey to 4 & Quiney to 6? I just think the top 4 needs to be stiffened up a bit. Usmans time will come, just not sure its now.
 
BluesMan said:
You can make runs in SS, but that some people just can't follow that into the next level. Happens with bowlers to. I'd like to see Ussie given another go, because I feel he is a long term 3 or 4 bat, whilst Hughes is an opener, and not a long term 3 or 4 prospect.

But in saying that, I still think Hughes will get the gig.
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If you can open, you can bat anywhere in the order.Batting 5 and 6 doesn't get harder.

Hussey spent the best part of a decade opening and subsequently became arguably the best middle order ODI batsmen there has been, as well as a highly successful middle order test cricketer. Graeme Wood the same.
 

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The Falcon Strike said:
If you can open, you can bat anywhere in the order.Batting 5 and 6 doesn't get harder.

Hussey spent the best part of a decade opening and subsequently became arguably the best middle order ODI batsmen there has been, as well as a highly successful middle order test cricketer. Graeme Wood the same.
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Alright fair enough. The main point I was trying to get at was, to select a middle order bat because thats what we're losing not an opener.
 
I think purely going off results from this season is a little short sighted. form is temporary, class is permanent is what ol whispering death used to say ( I think)

Shield tracks summed up this year have been tough to bat on, Adelaide aside, the early start has led to a few more green monsters than usual, that's why I think you can just look at Hughes as the leading run getter and automatically thrust him in.

Personally I would call up Sean marsh from Fremantle cricket club, word on the street is that he passed double figure a few times. Lulz jks

In saying though, I would still bring hughes in at 3, Clarke to 4, Watson to 5.

Don't rate watsons batting as first class, hes no jacques "yeah yeah" kallis
 
It is a bit of a pickle. Doolan hasn't convinced me; a brief flash of form in an otherwise meh career is not convincing (though that's not to say he won't turn that brief flash into an extended run, it just hasn't happened yet). Hughes' technique is much improved from what little I've seen, but he's still a risk, especially just plonking him in at 4. But nobody else is really putting their hands up. Khawaja still can't play on the front foot,

I jokingly suggested it earlier, but really, Steve Smith wouldn't actually be the worst choice. He's in good nick. His FC average of mid 30s this season is a bit misleading as he's gotten out in pretty unlucky circumstances a couple of times while set (e.g. run out off a straight drive, nicked down leg, etc), and he has dominated the 50 over stuff, which is actually the format he's generally inferior in. He's been putting a lot of work into his technique by all reports, and it shows, as he's much more still at the crease, much simpler footwork, etc. It's still a work in progress, I think, but it's helping him get through those early stages. He's a genuine upper/middle-order batsman for NSW, batting 3/4, he's talented, he's had Test experience, he's in decent form, and it would be reward for some hard work on his game.

That said, Hughes is probably the safer bet. I just worry about the psychological impact it might have if he were to fail again.


Also, one idea that hasn't really been tossed up much is moving Hussey to 4. He's batted there a lot, and it might make it a bit safer to play either Hughes or Smith, as they could bat at 6, which is a preferable position to be experimenting with unknowns.
 
I have been reprimanded once before for saying this but none of then are great fielders ( helps at the elite level ) of the ones to come in

Hughes is quite okay as a slipper , Kawahja is a bit lazy ( sorry ) , Doolan , I dont know but Quiney is excellent so if all the batsman to come in are closely rated i still have a preference for Quiney ! Sorry thats just the way I see it .

Hughes is in great form but I have concerns that he will be exposed ( maybe play him in the One Day series and tour to India ) and Quiney although he has failed in his chances with the bat at test level , I still think he has the ability ...maybe ??

Waiting on a Maddinson or Lynn to develop or Mitch Marsh to stay fit long enough .
 
so like, just to remind everyone. Before their NSW debuts, Warner had never opened and Usman had never not opened. They were in the same U19 team, batting in totally different spots. Seems to me making this switch when you first enter FC cricket is much harder, and they did fine. So like I don't see why Hughes can't bat down the order (and anyway, I thought he wasn't a proper opener? Surely this is a good move?)
 

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Phone said:
It amuses me that people are talking about how if Hughes has changed his technique and fixed it up, bring him back, but no-one is saying bring Usman back if has tightened up his technique. it's like you guys still think because he's a crap t20 player he has a perfect test match technique or something. anyway, from what i've seen this season, usman has not done anything about being unable to respond if you consistently bowl a tight line and length around off-stump (eg proper test match bowling). That time he went over a hour without scoring a single during one of his 50's in the recent nsw match a prime example. I still don't see Usman anywhere near the test team, and am quite hopeful Doolan is in front of him.
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Interesting take. Can't say I've noticed but I'm sure you're right. I guess if you're not scoring runs off a particular type of ball (as opposed to constantly being dismissed by a particular type of ball) it's a lot less obvious.

To be honest I wouldn't mind having another stonewaller in the side though. We have plenty of guys who can score at a good clip. Recently occupying the crease has been the issue for our upper order.
 
Phone said:
so like, just to remind everyone. Before their NSW debuts, Warner had never opened and Usman had never not opened. They were in the same U19 team, batting in totally different spots. Seems to me making this switch when you first enter FC cricket is much harder, and they did fine. So like I don't see why Hughes can't bat down the order (and anyway, I thought he wasn't a proper opener? Surely this is a good move?)
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there was a time in recent history where selectors told players to make runs at SS level so they could no longer be ignored. players like katich all of a sudden became openers so as to maximise their time in the middle (and get most exposure).
 
Caesar said:
Interesting take. Can't say I've noticed but I'm sure you're right. I guess if you're not scoring runs off a particular type of ball (as opposed to constantly being dismissed by a particular type of ball) it's a lot less obvious.

To be honest I wouldn't mind having another stonewaller in the side though. We have plenty of guys who can score at a good clip. Recently occupying the crease has been the issue for our upper order.
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need someone who can bat for a day and put a value on his wicket, ala faf.
 

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It used to be that when a new batsmen came in he would bat at no.6. Then if he showed enough he would be moved to 3/4/5. Pretty sure punter started at 6. I would think bring in Doolan/Kawaja and bat them at no.6. Move Clarke/Hussey up 1 spot or Hussey to bat no.4.

Lessens the pressure on the new guy and lets him find his feet batting at 6.
 
If Doolan plays test cricket for Australia I'll throw up
 
Pick the fat Tasmanian.
 
Caesar said:
Interesting take. Can't say I've noticed but I'm sure you're right. I guess if you're not scoring runs off a particular type of ball (as opposed to constantly being dismissed by a particular type of ball) it's a lot less obvious.

To be honest I wouldn't mind having another stonewaller in the side though. We have plenty of guys who can score at a good clip. Recently occupying the crease has been the issue for our upper order.
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Being a 'stonewaller' is all well and good but being unable to rotate the strike when the bowling is tight is a flaw. I have no problems with a batsman making a ton with a strike rate under 40 and not scoring many boundaries. In fact it shows terrific temperament and likely a good technique. Khawaja however has issues building unnecessary pressure on himself. I think people favour him because his technique is more aesethically pleasing than say Hughes however his flaws are at least as prevalent.

For mine, Hughes should come in at 6. There's no one really putting their hand up and it seems the most logical choice.
 

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