Mega Thread Port Forum 'General AFL Talk' Thread Part 16

[Stryke]

West End beer is flipping terrible seriously. I haven't had one for probably 20 years.

 

[jac147]

What actually happened was, they found Josh Jenkins below the surface. The official word was that he had moved to Geelong - we now know why he hasn't played any games for them.

Jimmy Hoffa??

 

[LFC2010]

West End beer is f*n terrible seriously. I haven't had one for probably 20 years.

I call it dogs piss, it's probably actually much worse than dogs piss, not that I've ever drunk dogs piss. Now that could be a good name for a craft beer.

 

[Steve Dore]

Too small a site for a HQ + Oval ....

According to the paper this morning the site is 7.9ha.

The MCG playing surface (171m x 146m fence to fence) will fit into a 2.5ha rectangle so plenty of room for a training oval, or three, and a HQ building with an indoor pool. A quarter acre housing block is only 0.1ha.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

AFL greats Ross Lyon and Matthew Lloyd have slammed a potential change for spoiling the ball in season 2021 and beyond.
According to veteran AFL journalist Caroline Wilson, the AFL commission have discussed a change in the rules which would see defenders spoiling a ball out of bounds being a free kick to the opposition for a deliberate out of bounds.

It is a move designed to speed up the game with Wilson believing a number of top level commission members are in favour.

‘That is wrong and unfair’: AFL greats slams ‘crazy’ rule change conversation

‘Wrong and unfair’: AFL greats slam ‘crazy’ rule change proposal

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Steve Dore]

AFL greats Ross Lyon and Matthew Lloyd have slammed a potential change for spoiling the ball in season 2021 and beyond.
According to veteran AFL journalist Caroline Wilson, the AFL commission have discussed a change in the rules which would see defenders spoiling a ball out of bounds being a free kick to the opposition for a deliberate out of bounds.

It is a move designed to speed up the game with Wilson believing a number of top level commission members are in favour.

‘That is wrong and unfair’: AFL greats slams ‘crazy’ rule change conversation

‘Wrong and unfair’: AFL greats slam ‘crazy’ rule change proposal

www.foxsports.com.au

How out of touch with the game are the arseclowns at AFL HQ?

 

[Festerz]

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The lack of 'intelligent' analysis in that article by Cameron England is annoying but unsurprising.

Yes, Pirate Life is now owned by a large international company but that acquisition provided the capital that transformed a small 'micro-brewery' into something almost 4 times larger, capable of brewing a host of different products to meet differing and evolving tastes and markets. And, just by the way, is actually delivering on being a part of a long talked about revival of the Port Adelaide area for residents, tourists and other local businesses.

Pirate Life is now everything that the Lion Nathan West End brewery wasn't - savvy, flexible, customer oriented and highly responsive. That's why small companies like Pirate Life are the way of the future, regardless of where their financial capital is coming from.

We should be celebrating the success of Pirate Life as a growing and forward-looking SA company, not using it as part of a derogatory by-line in a sob story about a company that has been in a constant state of decline since the 1970s.

 

[Troopsy]

How out of touch with the game are the arseclowns at AFL HQ?

If that’s the case, kicking it to the pocket or close to boundary will be a legitimate strategy. Either a mark, or a deliberate spoil is likely.

If not either of those, then it will be a throw in which will slow the game down just as much.

 

[JimmyBC]

The deliberate rule is overused so much as it is that they ping guys for skill errors.. yea lets add punishing defenders for spoiling

 

[Lagooner]

If they’re gonna do this then they may as well just make it a blanket last touch rule and be done with it.

 

[PAFC27]

If Richmond and Geelong get through to the grand final, watch the VFL media carry on about the game being a reward for Victorians after such a tough year. And the winner will be stated to have won the hardest premiership ever. If Port or Brisbane win, it'll be an asterisk.

 

[manureid]

The lack of 'intelligent' analysis in that article by Cameron England is annoying but unsurprising.

Yes, Pirate Life is now owned by a large international company but that acquisition provided the capital that transformed a small 'micro-brewery' into something almost 4 times larger, capable of brewing a host of different products to meet differing and evolving tastes and markets. And, just by the way, is actually delivering on being a part of a long talked about revival of the Port Adelaide area for residents, tourists and other local businesses.

Pirate Life is now everything that the Lion Nathan West End brewery wasn't - savvy, flexible, customer oriented and highly responsive. That's why small companies like Pirate Life are the way of the future, regardless of where their financial capital is coming from.

We should be celebrating the success of Pirate Life as a growing and forward-looking SA company, not using it as part of a derogatory by-line in a sob story about a company that has been in a constant state of decline since the 1970s.

100% correct. The establishment will bemoan the end of the brewery for shit beer cos SA GREAT, but aside from the unfortunate job losses I assume the shit beer in red tins will still be made somewhere. I was concerned when Pirate Life was bought out, but have been really please with how they have leveraged the buyout, by having the core range of beers handled allowing them all the time they needed to produce some really great specialist brews.

 

[Lagooner]

100% correct. The establishment will bemoan the end of the brewery for sh*t beer cos SA GREAT, but aside from the unfortunate job losses I assume the sh*t beer in red tins will still be made somewhere. I was concerned when Pirate Life was bought out, but have been really please with how they have leveraged the buyout, by having the core range of beers handled allowing them all the time they needed to produce some really great specialist brews.

I read that it’ll be made in either NSW or Queensland for now but I wouldn’t be surprised to see it gone within 5 years. Whoever is still drinking it will either abandon it a la Holden or be dead by then.

 

[chiwigi]

If they’re gonna do this then they may as well just make it a blanket last touch rule and be done with it.

The 'pretend' out of bounds that is 'sometimes' believed is a total nonsense, either all or nothing.

 

[Lagooner]

The 'pretend' out of bounds that is 'sometimes' believed is a total nonsense, either all or nothing.

It’s just awful. As bad as the “genuine attempt” malarkey wrt holding the ball.

 

[_VXV]

The lack of 'intelligent' analysis in that article by Cameron England is annoying but unsurprising.

Yes, Pirate Life is now owned by a large international company but that acquisition provided the capital that transformed a small 'micro-brewery' into something almost 4 times larger, capable of brewing a host of different products to meet differing and evolving tastes and markets. And, just by the way, is actually delivering on being a part of a long talked about revival of the Port Adelaide area for residents, tourists and other local businesses.

Pirate Life is now everything that the Lion Nathan West End brewery wasn't - savvy, flexible, customer oriented and highly responsive. That's why small companies like Pirate Life are the way of the future, regardless of where their financial capital is coming from.

We should be celebrating the success of Pirate Life as a growing and forward-looking SA company, not using it as part of a derogatory by-line in a sob story about a company that has been in a constant state of decline since the 1970s.

Isn’t his employer once local now foreign owned?

 

[El_Scorcho]

That spoiling rule is an absolutely horrendous idea. Awful. As Troopsy pointed out above, just kick it to the big men up the line and you're a huge chance of getting a free kick. Every movement out of defence will go along the boundary.

If you want to open the game up and have 90s scores where big key forwards kick bags every week, just do the old NBA style ban on zone defence. Free kick against if you're marking grass and not a player.

 

[Smartys Power]

First MCG grass, now spoiling the back out of bounds to be deliberate?

Wot?

 

[Duckimus Prime]

How out of touch with the game are the arseclowns at AFL HQ?

This would be driven to the commissioners by the ******ness of the commentary team constantly questioning why it isn't deliberate when defenders spoil the ball out of bounds.

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[MrMeaner]

AFL greats Ross Lyon and Matthew Lloyd have slammed a potential change for spoiling the ball in season 2021 and beyond.
According to veteran AFL journalist Caroline Wilson, the AFL commission have discussed a change in the rules which would see defenders spoiling a ball out of bounds being a free kick to the opposition for a deliberate out of bounds.

It is a move designed to speed up the game with Wilson believing a number of top level commission members are in favour.

‘That is wrong and unfair’: AFL greats slams ‘crazy’ rule change conversation

‘Wrong and unfair’: AFL greats slam ‘crazy’ rule change proposal

www.foxsports.com.au

Oh, that can **** right off.

They might as well just ban defenders going up at all.

 

[Steve Dore]

lol, traditionally powerful clubs = Victorian clubs usually given an armchair ride in the expanded VFL.

 

[Lagooner]

How does awarding set shots on goal from the boundary speed up the play anyway? F@&king moronic idea.

If they want to speed things up then they need to fix holding the ball. So much time is wasted waiting on laboured fake attempts to dispose of it which end up dribbling out into another contest that suffers the same fate anyway. It’s garbage.

Ping those with prior opportunity and call an immediate ball up on those who don’t have it. Throw out the ruck nomination crap and bring back third man up. It’s so bloody simple it pisses me off.

 

[240volt]

West End beer is f*n terrible seriously. I haven't had one for probably 20 years.

It’s been over 20 years since I tried it some of those names would give you nightmares......West End Super and probably the worst light beer ever made Eagle Blue.
I remember going to the SA open golf tournament and Eagle Blue was the sponsor so just about all you could get to drink was Eagle Blue.
I drank a lot of coke that day

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

According to the paper this morning the site is 7.9ha.

The MCG playing surface (171m x 146m fence to fence) will fit into a 2.5ha rectangle so plenty of room for a training oval, or three, and a HQ building with an indoor pool. A quarter acre housing block is only 0.1ha.

They will not buy it and build an oval. Its a waste of money and is too expensive.

I was thinking more of the main office building south side of Winwood St and Port Rd corner. Lion will sell the land as a parcel for residential developers, but might hive off the main office building area for sale to the crows, its probably on a different title to the land between Winwood St and the Torrens River. So get the Adelaide Council's approval to do something with an oval on Bonython Park like they were going to do with the oval next to the Aquatics Centre, is the most likely plan if they were considering the site.

The site might not be officially rezoned for residential use, but Port Rd along that stretch was designated a future T.O.D and that's why the tram went in and all part of John Rau's long term development law changes. So it will be a relatively straight forward rezoning move - which the state government will have power over City of West Torrens given the value of any redevelopment and therefore rezoning.

The Coke building has been rezoned as residential. From the Adelaide Review last April.

Slings and Arrows: Coke gets in your eyes – The Adelaide Review

www.adelaidereview.com.au

The February 2017 announcement by Coca Cola Amatil that it would close its Port Road bottling plant at Thebarton was quickly (without much supporting evidence at the time) presumed to relate to nothing else than skyrocketing South Australian power costs. But the Coke folks insisted that it had arisen from a thorough, Australia-wide business analysis concluding that Adelaide was now logistically in the wrong place for them. The bottling will now be done in Queensland.

Logistical? There may have been more to it, but no-one took any notice of a few locals who reckoned they’d worked it out. Former SA Labor Planning Minister, John Rau, had spent the years between 2012 and 2014 radically revising development plan rules for inner-city-rim suburbs, and Thebarton’s Port Road zone is one that saw major new allowances for buildings of greater height and density, exploding development potential there.

Overnight, property and land values for such sites skyrocketed. Coke’s site was 5.2ha. It was revalued at $17m, a lot more than before 2012. That sudden revaluation would have figured large in the Coke folks’ business analysis. Windfall asset sale potential, straight to the bottom line, making the decision to cease running the bottling plant even more tempting. Part of that land was recently sold for a multi-storey residential development.

There may have been other reasons for Coke’s business decisions, too. The plant sat over a pristine water aquifer (as does nearby business South Australian Brewing Co). This is vulnerable to contamination. Years earlier, it was acknowledged that a park-land-edge site a few kilometres east (old rail yards and nearby dumps) contained high-level contamination (hydrocarbon, arsenic and lead, etc). Nine years ago a city council aquifer recharge idea (collecting and storing winter River Torrens stormwater) was resisted by both Port Road businesses because it was feared that it might spread contamination to Thebarton.

Although the plan was eventually dumped, the concept would have been listed under potential future ‘Threats’ section of any fizz business SWOT analysis. Years later, in May 2017, news broke of government warnings of Thebarton groundwater contamination (TCA, a cleaning solvent heavily used before the 1960s). The Coke factory site was one of the identified sites. While there’s no suggestion that any local fizz products were, are, or are likely to be contaminated, it’s difficult to assume that the Coke folks didn’t know about all of the past and present groundwater issues below their site.

Goes to show that when a long-established employer decides to leave town, although power costs might be a powerful impetus, there are often other reasons behind the scenes.