Prediction Predict 2021 best 22

[1990crow]

Ok. So preseason has started and I’m already bored. How to pass the time as a Crows fan? Analyse our list profile, look at the players who should become best 22 over time and take over the mantle. So, I thought it would be a bit of fun to predict what our side might look like come round 1 2021.
2 full seasons will have passed.

In order to predict this you may also need to predict what happens over the next two offseasons, and if you follow the draft 2019’s top 5 prospects should be easily found with a quick google search (thanks Carlton)!
Tell us who we trade out, what we trade in, what free agents we take, who retires, who we pick and what you predict will be the result come round 1, 2021!

 

[Danger in Texas]

Notable Outs: Brad Crouch (traded in 2020 to Hawthorn), Rory Atkins (traded in 19/20 to Bulldogs), Betts (retired), Douglas (retired), Jacobs (retired), Jenkins (no longer best 22), Lynch (no longer best 22)

Notable Ins: Jarrod Witts (traded in 2019), Brandan Parfitt (traded in 19/20), Mitch O'Neill (drafted in 2019)

B: Luke Brown, Daniel Talia, Tom Doedee
HB: Brodie Smith, Alex Keath, Rory Laird
C: Wayne Milera, Rory Sloane, Paul Seedsman
HF: Ned McHenry, Taylor Walker, Hugh Greenwood
F: Shane McAdam, Darcy Fogarty, Jordan Butts
R: Jarrod Witts, Matt Crouch, Chayce Jones
I/C: Brandan Parfitt, Bryce Gibbs, Jordan Gallucci, Mitch O'Neill

 

[1990crow]

2019 offseason:
Trade Kelly to Pies for 2nd Pick (35).
Carlton’s 2nd (Pick 19) + Pick 35 for Peter Wright.
Pick Daniel Sladojevic (Pick 34).
Carlton’s 1st (Pick 1) Matt Rowell.
Use Pick 52.
Upgrade Murphy
Out: Mackay, Kelly, Douglas, Jacobs, Otten.

2020 offseason:
1st and 2nd rounders Pick James Borlase and Luke Edwards.
3rd rounder Anzac Lochowiak.
2021 1st + Himmelburg for Izak Rankine.
Upgrade Butts.
Out: Himmelburg, Sholl, Betts, Tex, Davis

Best 22:

L.Brown ~ D.Talia ~ T.Doedee
R.Laird ~ A.Keath ~ B.Smith
W.Milera ~ M.Crouch ~ P.Seedsman
P.Wright ~ B.Crouch ~ H.Greenwood
I.Rankine ~ J.Jenkins ~ R.Sloane
T.Lynch ~ D.Fogarty ~ N.McHenry
M.Rowell ~ J.Galluci ~ B.Gibbs
C.Jones

Depth:
Hartigan, Knight, Poholke, Obrien, CEY, Stengle, Hamill, Atkins, McPherson, Murphy, Edwards, Borlase, McAdam, Sladojevic

 

[Joey JoJo Jr Shabadoo]

2020 offseason:
1st and 2nd rounders Pick James Borlase and Luke Edwards.
3rd rounder Anzac Lochowiak.
2021 1st + Himmelburg for Izak Rankine.
Upgrade Butts.
Out: Himmelburg, Sholl, Betts, Tex, Davis

Only 2 more years for Tex you reckon? He's contracted until 2021 so I doubt that's going to happen. I still think he has a few really good seasons left in him.

 

[1990crow]

Only 2 more years for Tex you reckon? He's contracted until 2021 so I doubt that's going to happen. I still think he has a few really good seasons left in him.

I think he’s easily best 22 next two years. Not confident after that but hope I’m wrong, he’s been personally injured for what seems like 3 years. Not sure he will age well.

 

[Joey JoJo Jr Shabadoo]

I think he’s easily best 22 next two years. Not confident after that but hope I’m wrong, he’s been personally injured for what seems like 3 years. Not sure he will age well.

Last season he virtually had no pre-season and came back still injured, ignore that. Two years prior to that he was exceptional. Probably needs to drop a few kg's but I see him playing at least another 4 seasons.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Notable Outs: Brad Crouch (traded in 2020 to Hawthorn), Rory Atkins (traded in 19/20 to Bulldogs), Betts (retired), Douglas (retired), Jacobs (retired), Jenkins (no longer best 22), Lynch (no longer best 22)

Notable Ins: Jarrod Witts (traded in 2019), Brandan Parfitt (traded in 19/20), Mitch O'Neill (drafted in 2019)

B: Luke Brown, Daniel Talia, Tom Doedee
HB: Brodie Smith, Alex Keath, Rory Laird
C: Wayne Milera, Rory Sloane, Paul Seedsman
HF: Ned McHenry, Taylor Walker, Hugh Greenwood
F: Shane McAdam, Darcy Fogarty, Jordan Butts
R: Jarrod Witts, Matt Crouch, Chayce Jones
I/C: Brandan Parfitt, Bryce Gibbs, Jordan Gallucci, Mitch O'Neill

Parfitt? Seems a bit random, do actually think that is something that will happen or are you just throwing out ideas?

 

[Danger in Texas]

Parfitt? Seems a bit random, do actually think that is something that will happen or are you just throwing out ideas?

Random feeling. Feel like if we go for a young mid in the next two years, that we think could make a big impact in the future, it’ll be him. Reckon Rankine is unrealistic at this stage

 

[Scorpus]

Ages During the 2021 Season
Betts - 34
Douglas - 34
Jacobs - 33
Mackay - 32
Jenkins - 32
Gibbs - 32
Sloane - 31
Walker - 31
Lynch - 30
Talia - 29

So I reckon everyone in our squad except for Betts and Douglas has a chance to still be playing. Yep, even Jacobs and Mackay I reckon are a chance to be there.

My Guess For What the Crows Will Do:

B Brown - Talia - Doedee
HB Smith - Keath - Laird
C Milera - Sloane - Seedsman
HF Gallucci - Walker - Lynch
F McAdam - Jenkins - Fogarty
R Jacobs - M. Crouch - B. Crouch

I Gibbs - Greenwood - Jones - Mackay

What I Would Do:

B Brown - Talia - Doedee
HB Smith - Keath - Laird
C Milera - Sloane - Seedsman
HF Gallucci - Fogarty - McHenry
F McAdam - Jenkins - Stengle
R (Ruck) - M. Crouch - B. Crouch

I Gibbs - Greenwood - Jones - 2019 1st

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Ages During the 2021 Season
Betts - 34
Douglas - 34
Jacobs - 33
Mackay - 32
Jenkins - 32
Gibbs - 32
Sloane - 31
Walker - 31
Lynch - 30
Talia - 29

So I reckon everyone in our squad except for Betts and Douglas has a chance to still be playing. Yep, even Jacobs and Mackay I reckon are a chance to be there.

My Guess For What the Crows Will Do:

B Brown - Talia - Doedee
HB Smith - Keath - Laird
C Milera - Sloane - Seedsman
HF Gallucci - Walker - Lynch
F McAdam - Jenkins - Fogarty
R Jacobs - M. Crouch - B. Crouch

I Gibbs - Greenwood - Jones - Mackay

What I Would Do:

B Brown - Talia - Doedee
HB Smith - Keath - Laird
C Milera - Sloane - Seedsman
HF Gallucci - Fogarty - McHenry
F McAdam - Jenkins - Stengle
R (Ruck) - M. Crouch - B. Crouch

I Gibbs - Greenwood - Jones - 2019 1st

No room for Hamill? A pick 30 with a few seasons under his belt?

 

[Scorpus]

No room for Hamill? A pick 30 with a few seasons under his belt?

Can't see where he slots in. One of our incumbents like Seedsman would have to fall off a cliff

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

2019 best 22...
B: Brown, Talia, Doedee
HB: Smith, Keath, Laird
C: Seedsman, Mrouch, Gibbs
HF: Lynch, Walker, Knight
F: Betts, Jenkins, Greenwood
R: Jacobs, Sloane, Brouch
I: Milera, Douglas, Gallucci, Fogarty

2020 Assume Douglas & Jacobs no longer best 22. Gibbs & Milera to swap roles. Fogarty becomes a key forward target. It's likely we will trade in an experienced ruckman to replace Sauce instead of ROB.

B: Brown, Talia, Doedee
HB: Smith, Keath, Laird
C: Seedsman, Brouch, Milera
HF: Lynch, Fogarty, McAdam
F: Betts, Walker, Jenkins
R: O'Brien, Sloane, Brouch
I: Gibbs, Greenwood, Gallucci, Knight

2021 I gather Betts will have retired, along with Lynch losing his effectiveness & Talia succumbing to injuries.

B: Brown, Keath, Doedee
HB: Smith, Himmelberg, Laird
C: Milera, Mrouch, Gallucci
HF: Sloane, Fogarty, McHenry
F: McAdam, Walker, Greenwood
R: O'Brien, Knight, Brouch
I: Gibbs, Jones, Seedsman, Jenkins

Obviously this assumes the current squad & ignores likely trades. Eg. Expect whoever we get with out early pick next year will be part of the side.

 

[1990crow]

2019 best 22...
B: Brown, Talia, Doedee
HB: Smith, Keath, Laird
C: Seedsman, Mrouch, Gibbs
HF: Lynch, Walker, Knight
F: Betts, Jenkins, Greenwood
R: Jacobs, Sloane, Brouch
I: Milera, Douglas, Gallucci, Fogarty

2020 Assume Douglas & Jacobs no longer best 22. Gibbs & Milera to swap roles. Fogarty becomes a key forward target. It's likely we will trade in an experienced ruckman to replace Sauce instead of ROB.

B: Brown, Talia, Doedee
HB: Smith, Keath, Laird
C: Seedsman, Brouch, Milera
HF: Lynch, Fogarty, McAdam
F: Betts, Walker, Jenkins
R: O'Brien, Sloane, Brouch
I: Gibbs, Greenwood, Gallucci, Knight

2021 I gather Betts will have retired, along with Lynch losing his effectiveness & Talia succumbing to injuries.

B: Brown, Keath, Doedee
HB: Smith, Himmelberg, Laird
C: Milera, Mrouch, Gallucci
HF: Sloane, Fogarty, McHenry
F: McAdam, Walker, Greenwood
R: O'Brien, Knight, Brouch
I: Gibbs, Jones, Seedsman, Jenkins

Obviously this assumes the current squad & ignores likely trades. Eg. Expect whoever we get with out early pick next year will be part of the side.

No Talia in 2021?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

No Talia in 2021?

As I said in my post, imo he will succumb to chronic injuries & retire. Our ruckmen & key backmen is the biggest concern. We may have to use Fogarty as a CHB.

 

[kulak]

Ages During the 2021 Season
Betts - 34
Douglas - 34
Jacobs - 33
Mackay - 32
Jenkins - 32
Gibbs - 32
Sloane - 31
Walker - 31
Lynch - 30
Talia - 29

So I reckon everyone in our squad except for Betts and Douglas has a chance to still be playing. Yep, even Jacobs and Mackay I reckon are a chance to be there.

My Guess For What the Crows Will Do:

B Brown - Talia - Doedee
HB Smith - Keath - Laird
C Milera - Sloane - Seedsman
HF Gallucci - Walker - Lynch
F McAdam - Jenkins - Fogarty
R Jacobs - M. Crouch - B. Crouch

I Gibbs - Greenwood - Jones - Mackay

What I Would Do:

B Brown - Talia - Doedee
HB Smith - Keath - Laird
C Milera - Sloane - Seedsman
HF Gallucci - Fogarty - McHenry
F McAdam - Jenkins - Stengle
R (Ruck) - M. Crouch - B. Crouch

I Gibbs - Greenwood - Jones - 2019 1st

Cheers for checking the ages so I didn’t have to.

Surely these guys are all gone:
Betts - 34
Douglas - 34
Jacobs - 33
Mackay - 32
Jenkins - 32

Walker and Lynch up forward will be ok. Statuesque defensively by that point but surround them with younger players who apply pressure and the balance is OK.

Talia I feel has the type of game which ages reasonably well. He will still be comfortably our best option for the gorilla forwards.

Sloane will be year three into his five year deal so he better still be a star.

Gibbs is probably still okay. I think he would need to be a permanent forward like late stage Darren Jarman to be relevant at this point.

Doedee I will predict demands a trade to a big Melbourne club. I get the vibe that his winning personality will be too big for this small town.

Himmelberg to leave in search of opportunity.

McPherson gone due to injury.

Brad and Matt will still be around. Brad injured.

FB: Brown - Talia - Laird
HB: Fogarty - Keath - Smith (Hamill)
C: Milera - Sloane - Seedsman
HF: McAdam - Lynch - Gallucci (McHenry)
FF: Gibbs - Walker - Knight
R: (ruck trade) - Jones - MCrouch (Greenwood, 2019 first)

We will be a good team. Maybe not the best, but pretty good.

 

[70lethal]

Laird (27) - Talia(29)- Doodee (24)
Sloane(31) - Francis (23) - Smith (29)
Seedsman (29) - Milera(23) - Jones (20)
Gallucci(23) - Walker(31) - McHenry (20)
Rankine (20) - Jenkins(32) - Fogarty (21)

Witts/CCJ - Crouch(27) - Crouch(26)
Int. 2019 1st (19), Greenwood (29), Knight(26) Gibbs(32)

Recruit: Witts/Callum Coleman-Jones (2020), Francis (2020). Rankine (2021)

Around 12 list changes in 2 years
Trade: Kelly, Atkins (RFA 2020), Hartigan(RFA 2020), Polholke
Retired: Douglas, McKay, Jacobs, Betts, Ottens
Delist: Davis, Wilson, Hunter

Some out of contract rucks next year
Witts,
Richmond have 4 CCJ, Bolta, Soldo, Miller
Freo have Jones, Meek as well as Sandilands. I'd like Darcy personally.
Carlton have Phillips, Kreuzer, Lobbe, Casboult no wonder they are bottom.
others include Draper, Cameron, Smith, Buzza Flynn

 

[jackster83]

I expect both Brouch and Tex will succumb to injury during the 2020 season.

We'll have to trade in a ruck - maybe Darcy Cameron from the Swans.

Rankine will request a trade from the GC, but we'll be chasing Luko and let him go to Port. Port will also get Hately for a pick in the 30's.

B: Brown, Talia, Doedee
HB: Smith, Keath, Laird
C: Milera, M. Crouch, Gallucci
HF: Knight, Fogarty, McHenry
F: McAdam, Himmelberg, Lynch
R: _____, Sloane, Jones
I: Gibbs, ____, Seedsman, Jenkins/Greenwood

Gone: Jacobs (ret), Otten (ret/del), Betts (ret), Douglas (ret), Mackay (ret), Walker (ret), B. Crouch (ret), Hartigan (del), Kelly (trd), CEY (del), Atkins (trd)

 

[Simmo28]

I expect both Brouch and Tex will succumb to injury during the 2020 season.

We'll have to trade in a ruck - maybe Darcy Cameron from the Swans.

Rankine will request a trade from the GC, but we'll be chasing Luko and let him go to Port. Port will also get Hately for a pick in the 30's.

B: Brown, Talia, Doedee
HB: Smith, Keath, Laird
C: Milera, M. Crouch, Gallucci
HF: Knight, Fogarty, McHenry
F: McAdam, Himmelberg, Lynch
R: _____, Sloane, Jones
I: Gibbs, ____, Seedsman, Jenkins/Greenwood

Gone: Jacobs (ret), Otten (ret/del), Betts (ret), Douglas (ret), Mackay (ret), Walker (ret), B. Crouch (ret), Hartigan (del), Kelly (trd), CEY (del), Atkins (trd)

I think Brouch will succumb to injuries in 2019.

 

[Golumless]

Without trades, because that's bullshit to include.

B: Brown - Talia - Gibbs
HB: Smith - Doedee - Laird
C: Jones - M.Crouch - Seedsman
HF: Knight - Fogarty - McAdam
F: Stengle - Tex - Himmelberg
R: ??? - B.Crouch - McHenry
INT: Gallucci - Milera - Sloane - Greenwood

So basic idea - Defense looks rock solid, with Gibbs playing a more loose intercept defender at this point. I doubt forward is the place to reinvent himself in this case, and would be a waste of a very fine kick. Doedee gets an undersized KPD role with the idea that what he's giving offensively is worth more then the 1-2 goals he may be conceding here.

Midfield - Only one pure outside player in my set up with Seedsman, but made up with a lot of in/out midfielders which can rotate though as I expect Jones, McHenry, Gallucci, Sloane and B.Crouch to primarily fill this role. For flexibility, I would like to see Gibbs, Knight, and McAdam also rotate in this position for a small amount of the game for shock factor, and a lot of those players in in/out roles do have the flexibility to move forward/back. Pure inside midfielders are just M.Crouch, and Greenwood but both should be firmly in peak years at this point.

Forward wise, pretty simple set up. Fogarty to play the roaming CHF in the Pavlich/Tex mold, Tex finishing up his career as a full forward though I picture 2021 is pretty much the end for him at this point and Himmelberg getting the third tall + ruck rotation role. Stengle is more of an offensive producing small forward with Knight/McAdam with rotations from McHenry, Sloane and Gallucci being the main driver of forward pressure in this sector. I also expect Greenwood to float forwards at times during the game to give talls a rest.