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Preliminarily: We've done very well in the PSD and Rookie Drafts!

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Oct 8, 2004
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Welcome to Collingwood Sam Iles of Clarence, Alan Toovey of Claremont, Daniel Nicholls of the Dandenong Stingrays, and Shannon Cox of South Fremantle.

Sam Iles
Details:
Club: Clarence/Tassie Mariners/Tassie Devils VFL List
DOB: 19 June 1987 Hgt: 181cm Wgt: 80kg
Position: Midfielder/Half Back Flank
Natural Foot: Right

Honours:
Tasmanian U18 representative 2004 and 2005
2005 AFL Draft Camp

Stats:
2005 AFL U18 Championships: 3 games, 1 goal, averaged 13.3 PPG

Background:
He represented Tasmania at the 2004 National Carnival, and played some reasonable footy. Returned to the Mariners side this year as a top age player, playing his best game midweek against NSW in Geelong. He spent a week at Sydney after championships and was added to the Tasmanian Devils VFL list - making his VFL debut in Round 19 against Coburg, where he was named among the Devils best players.

Strengths:
- Good composure, and plays with a touch of confidence, smart player
- Moves well in congestion
- Has played senior footy in Tasmania’s Southern League for Clarence and has played VFL for the Tasmania Devils

Weaknesses:
- Disposal at times is ordinary. Just as a note on this, this does not mean he has bad disposal, it means on rare occasion it falters, while most of the time it is good. He took kick ins for Tassie in the VFL, so his kicking is generally good.

Footydraft.com comment: Certainly is one player who impressed during the carnival with his natural footy smarts. Is a decent enough size for that small defender/midfield role at the next level, and his good VFL form can only assist his draft prospects. Is worthy of being selected, probably around the 25 mark onwards


Alan Toovey
Details:
Club: Aquinas/Claremont
DOB: 23 March 1987 Hgt: 188cm Wgt: 79kg
Position: Defender
Natural Foot: Left

Honours:
WA Under 15s 2002
WA Under 16s 2003
AIS/AFL Academy 2003
Western Australia U18s 2004 & 2005
WAFL Colts Team Of The Year 2004
All Australian U18 2004
AFL Draft Camp 2004
WA Under 18s Vice Captain 2005
AFL Draft Camp 2005


2004 WAFL Stats:
Colts: 6 games, 0 goals, 14.0 PPG

Background: Toovey completed his schooling at Aquinas last year where he captained the team to a runner up position, only behind the highly regarded Trinity team of 2004. He often played in the ruck for Aquinas highlighting his athleticism. Toovey made All Australian in 2004 playing from the backline and using his run to break lines. This year Toovey spent time in the Colts after playing in a couple of pre season league games on the wing. The strong Claremont league side proved hard to break into and he did not get given opportunities until the later rounds. Eventually Toovey made his league debut after a couple of good performances in the reserves grade and didn’t look back from there holding down the full back position on one of the best full forwards against the Swans in the First Semi Final. Didn’t have a great carnival in 2005 was given a bit of a lesson by a bigger bodied Beau Dowler. He was named best on ground in the WA State 18s vs State 20s earlier this year.

Strengths:
- Versatile Defender
- Not afraid to put his head over the ball
- Experienced league footy and quality forwards
- Seems to play well against older opposition (04 championships, WAFL League, 20’s Match)
- reads the play very well, is an excellent mark and usually makes good decisions.
- He has a good turn of pace and will be disciplined when sticking to his man.


Weaknesses:
- Size may not be big enough to play Full Back in the AFL
- Overlooked last year, despite going to draft camp
- Never seems to really dominate a game

Footydraft.com Verdict: Difficult to predict given he was not picked up last year when he had such a good season. He has still has had a great finish to this season though and could be a real steal late in the draft.


Daniel Nicholls
Details:
Club: Rowville/Dandenong Stingrays
DOB: 2 March 1987 Hgt: 176cm Wgt:70kg
Position: Midfielder
Natural Foot: Left

Honours:
- Vic Metro U18 Squad 2005
- State Screening Tests 2005
- 2005 TAC Cup Team of the Year (interchange)

Statistics:
2004 TAC Cup 18 games, 3 goals, average 15.8 PPG, 7 times in best
2005 U18 Championships: 3 games, 0 goals, average 16.3 PPG
2005 TAC Cup: 17 games, 17 goals, average 24.9 PPG, 9 times in best

Awards:
TAC Cup Morrish Medal: 6 votes
TAC Cup Coaches award: 8 votes

Background:
Left footed wingman who was in his top age year at the Stingrays. Best known for his blistering pace, getting the ball and bolting away. Will stick his head over the ball and has very tidy skills. Was among the Vic Metro early squads this season and held his spot in the side for the carnival. Had a good season at the Stingrays finishing 7th in their best and fairest and was named among their best in the Grand Final. His performance in the competition was acknowledged at Morrish Medal night with a spot in the TAC Cup Team of the Year. Tested well in the beep test at Victorian Screening.

Strengths:
- foot skills on his left foot are good
- speed
- inside player

Weaknesses:
- height/weight for AFL footy
- kicked 17.18 this season – worse than 50% conversion? Quite well skilled generally so what happens in front of goal? Again, this only applies to his kicking on goal - I might remind you that Bucks has kicked more behinds than goals 6 out of his 13 seasons in the league.

Shannon Cox
Details:
Club: Kojonup/South Fremantle
DOB: 7 March 1986 Hgt: 187cm Wgt: 89kg
Position: Centre Half Forward
Natural Foot: Right

Honours:
Western Australia 2004
Forward Pocket in WAFL Colts Team of the Year 2004
National Draft Camp 2004

2004 WAFL Stats:
Colts: 13 games, 21 goals, 12.2 PPG

Strengths: Cox is a strong forward who can also be used for spells in the ruck, although he is too short to play that role at AFL level. From the country town of Kojonup, he only moved to Perth this year to concentrate on his football.

Shannon is very strong in the marking contest and can take a number of contested marks. He moves surprisingly well for his size and could even be played further up the ground if he lost some weight.

Weaknesses: Awkward in between size and needs to improve his fitness. Awkward kicking style that means set shots are no certainty.

Footydraft.com comment: Definitely worth a look with a late draft pick, Cox will require a fair bit of work but there is plenty to work with and he could be a surprise packet if he gets in shape. As a note on this, apparently he has gotten in shape since then and been used up the field a bit more. He was compared to Mark Williams (from Hawthorn) by one coach.
 
Yeah, I'm liking it!

The negative nellies will sight that we missed out on Davo, but the fact of the matter is, we had an absolute shot at him in the PSD and #2. We chose kids who service our needs and/or we consider have a better shot at AFL.

Tommy's been doing well, but half a game in four years is ordinary and we have to cut losses at some time.

Good drafting on the surface. No doubt!!
 

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FIGJAM said:
Yeah, I'm liking it!

The negative nellies will sight that we missed out on Davo, but the fact of the matter is, we had an absolute shot at him in the PSD and #2. We chose kids who service our needs and/or we consider have a better shot at AFL.

I think we'd have taken him in the second round if he was still available, but we definitely wanted Toovey first. We did the right thing. I'm glad Tommys still on an AFL list but I'm glad we didnt bend over backwards to keep him and instead chose the best available.
 
Preliminarily: We're still in the dark like every other year.

Really, these draft profiles aren't worth a pinch of sh1t. Every year you read them about the kids we've picked up, and every year the kids all sound like superstars, and the reality is most of them won't make it.

Most people were drooling a few years ago when they read the Billy Morrison profile. "Johnathon Brown type", "playing senior football at 14" - The recruiting department really nailed that one!

Pre-season matches and Round 1 - that's when we know. At the moment any talk of "doing well this year" is just hope and guesstimation.
 

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Manmountain I agree with you. However it works both ways too with the people who overreact negatively.
To be fair on Colin his Billy Morrison/J.Brown was a comment on "style" not a comparison. While he really rated Billy he never said he will be the next J.Brown (who on another note is highly overrated).
 
manmountain, it's important to recognise that we've taken four rookies.

They were all rough (ie. carrying concerns) from the get go. They were all overlooked (in some instances twice).

I think we've got a good mix of roughies to play with and hopefully like last year, MM can pop out a cubic zirconia or two!
 
I'm not trying to be negative, just trying to temper the enthusiasm generated by these profiles with the reality that if even one of them makes it as an AFL footballer then we will have done exceedingly well.

FWIW, I hope they all make it (at the expense of Lockyer, O'Bree, Morrison and Davis!) but the reality is they probably won't.
 
manmountain said:
Preliminarily: We're still in the dark like every other year.

Really, these draft profiles aren't worth a pinch of sh1t. Every year you read them about the kids we've picked up, and every year the kids all sound like superstars, and the reality is most of them won't make it.

Most people were drooling a few years ago when they read the Billy Morrison profile. "Johnathon Brown type", "playing senior football at 14" - The recruiting department really nailed that one!

Pre-season matches and Round 1 - that's when we know. At the moment any talk of "doing well this year" is just hope and guesstimation.


Well said mm, refreshing to hear some views that don't push the standard 'Collingwood Board' entrenched views.
 
rate these as far as rookies go. congrats toovs on getting a chance! bout time too

we got what we needed/ looked for. haha weagles and dockers got more of the same... reselections or same old 5'11 mids

looking up for the pies
 

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manmountain said:
Preliminarily: We're still in the dark like every other year.

Really, these draft profiles aren't worth a pinch of sh1t. Every year you read them about the kids we've picked up, and every year the kids all sound like superstars, and the reality is most of them won't make it.
I'm not basing my opinion on these profiles - I've seen both Iles and Nicholls play quite a few times, and Toovey play as well.

Based on seeing them play, I think we've got some of the better players still on offer.
 

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