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WILLIAM BUCK PREMIER FINALS 2022 2nd SEMIFINAL ELSTERNWICK 2pm SAT 3/9	PRELIMINARY FINAL ELSTERNWICK 2:15pm SUN 11/9	GRAND FINAL TREVOR BARKER 2:30pm SUN 18/9
St Kevins
Collegians	Collegians	St Kevins
1st SEMIFINAL TREVOR BARKER 2:30pm SUN 4/9	vs	vs
Old Xaverians	Old Brighton	Old Brighton
Old Brighton

WILLIAM BUCK PREMIER RESERVE 2022 2nd SEMIFINAL TREVOR BARKER 12pm SUN 4/9	PRELIMINARY FINAL ELSTERNWICK 11:40am SUN 11/9	GRAND FINAL TOORAK PARK 1pm SUN 18/9
Old Xaverians
Old Melburnians	Old Melburnians	Old Xaverians
1st SEMIFINAL ELSTERNWICK 11:40am SAT 3/9	vs	vs
Old Scotch	Old Scotch	Old Scotch
St Bernards

 

[Chioli]

Uni have lost all their points except maybe 1 i hear and fined....not sure how much though.

I believe I speak for all Vafa supporters when I say "hahahahahahahahahhahhahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahhahahahahhahahhahahahahahah"

 

[Del28562]

Uni have lost all their points except maybe 1 i hear and fined....not sure how much though.

They should have their points reduced significantly for next year as well

 

[Mr Platinum]

Uni have lost all their points except maybe 1 i hear and fined....not sure how much though.

Good mail Mr Dodge, water cooler scuttlebutt is that the fine is no less than $22,000 with half of that suspended.

The only person I feel sorry for out of this is Mr Martyn, he doesn’t deserve to be employed by such an incompetent bunch of thumb nosing, arrogant and cocky campaigners who are universally disliked.

Go you Uni Black Boys!

 

[bedford]

Good mail Mr Dodge, water cooler scuttlebutt is that the fine is no less than $22,000 with half of that suspended.

The only person I feel sorry for out of this is Mr Martyn, he doesn’t deserve to be employed by such an incompetent bunch of thumb nosing, arrogant and cocky campaigners who are universally disliked.

Go you Uni Black Boys!

Very correct about Martyn .

 

[SKOB Football]

Good mail Mr Dodge, water cooler scuttlebutt is that the fine is no less than $22,000 with half of that suspended.

The only person I feel sorry for out of this is Mr Martyn, he doesn’t deserve to be employed by such an incompetent bunch of thumb nosing, arrogant and cocky campaigners who are universally disliked.

Go you Uni Black Boys!

Spot on re Marto, much loved & respected by many at SKOB.

 

[Max Leader]

Still believe opposition clubs should have got the points.
Blues only need to win 2 games and their our of relegation zone again.
Thus the upshot is they were fined $11,000. Someone will have that in their ashtray.

 

[Mr Platinum]

Still believe opposition clubs should have got the points.
Blues only need to win 2 games and their our of relegation zone again.
Thus the upshot is they were fined $11,000. Someone will have that in their ashtray.

They lost % as well.

Attached is a statement from their president, he still does not get it. It’s an AFL Vic rule, not a VAFA rule, maybe they are stupid.

I also now want the 2019 Flag taken away from them.

 

[bedford]

Spot on re Marto, much loved & respected by many at SKOB.

Your back !

 

[Mappa]

By way of contrast, wasn't Peninsula dropped two divisions (or maybe just the one) for a breach of VAFA rules a few years back? Massive whack for Uni Blues, but they live to fight another day in A grade to win enough games in the last 7 to stay up.

 

[adogsfan5]

Wow crazy.

Was this an “accidental mistake” or genuinely cheating?

 

[Mr Platinum]

VAFA Media Release - VAFA

Following the completion of a series of audits, investigations, appeals and tribunal hearings, the VAFA has today informed University Blues Football Club that they have breached the team player points

www.vafa.com.au

 

[flat footy]

Wow crazy.

Was this an “accidental mistake” or genuinely cheating?

Maybe these UB players didnt study maths while they were there?
That would explain how they got counting the points so wrong.....
Joking aside........ they cheated.

 

[Deleted member 20240623]

By way of contrast, wasn't Peninsula dropped two divisions (or maybe just the one) for a breach of VAFA rules a few years back? Massive whack for Uni Blues, but they live to fight another day in A grade to win enough games in the last 7 to stay up.

Yes mappster, POBS dropped 1 divvy. I also think that if Uni blues are relegated to B grade that they will/should win B grade in a canter (with current squad). Im happy for Uni blues to stay up and have to readjust to calculating points/players like everyone else needs to!

 

[AM]

Good mail Mr Dodge, water cooler scuttlebutt is that the fine is no less than $22,000 with half of that suspended.

The only person I feel sorry for out of this is Mr Martyn, he doesn’t deserve to be employed by such an incompetent bunch of thumb nosing, arrogant and cocky campaigners who are universally disliked.

Go you Uni Black Boys!

Now Mr. Num, surely you're not so na·ïve as to believe the club you have derided here over quite some time is the only club to have transgressed. I mean we know, don't we, of a top-notch club who was found in breach of the points system but who received a slap over the wrist with a damp lettuce cos it wasn't considered intentional.

I'm not opposed to the sanctions but let's not kid ourselves Blues are the only club who have transgressed. There should be a significant degree of fault apportioned to the VAFA for not having a system in place that scrutinised these matters.

Where we do agree is that we feel for Marto after being knee-capped by your club to now find himself in this predicament is just not fair. If he sticks, Blues will obliterate Prem B next year and, I'm guessing will have a point to prove in Prem A in the succeeding years.

I seem to recall you saying you met up with Sausage Roll at one of your games. Have you encountered Glorious One, Doug Hogan, Hair Hat, or the overlord Brian Speaking too?

 

[Mike Olotripo]

I'm glad to see common sense has prevailed and that the VAFA board decided that playing by the rules was applicable to every club, including Uni Blues.

This will make for an interesting second half of the season in the bottom half of the table.

 

[bedford]

Now Mr. Num, surely you're not so na·ïve as to believe the club you have derided here over quite some time is the only club to have transgressed. I mean we know, don't we, of a top-notch club who was found in breach of the points system but who received a slap over the wrist with a damp lettuce cos it wasn't considered intentional.

I'm not opposed to the sanctions but let's not kid ourselves Blues are the only club who have transgressed. There should be a significant degree of fault apportioned to the VAFA for not having a system in place that scrutinised these matters.

Where we do agree is that we feel for Marto after being knee-capped by your club to now find himself in this predicament is just not fair. If he sticks, Blues will obliterate Prem B next year and, I'm guessing will have a point to prove in Prem A in the succeeding years.

I seem to recall you saying you met up with Sausage Roll at one of your games. Have you encountered Glorious One, Doug Hogan, Hair Hat, or the overlord Brian Speaking too?

One of your best , the overlord lol.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

An unfortunate penalty, but the only appropriate one if the rules are to mean something.

 

[Jimmyjack]

Now Mr. Num, surely you're not so na·ïve as to believe the club you have derided here over quite some time is the only club to have transgressed. I mean we know, don't we, of a top-notch club who was found in breach of the points system but who received a slap over the wrist with a damp lettuce cos it wasn't considered intentional.

I'm not opposed to the sanctions but let's not kid ourselves Blues are the only club who have transgressed. There should be a significant degree of fault apportioned to the VAFA for not having a system in place that scrutinised these matters.

Where we do agree is that we feel for Marto after being knee-capped by your club to now find himself in this predicament is just not fair. If he sticks, Blues will obliterate Prem B next year and, I'm guessing will have a point to prove in Prem A in the succeeding years.

I seem to recall you saying you met up with Sausage Roll at one of your games. Have you encountered Glorious One, Doug Hogan, Hair Hat, or the overlord Brian Speaking too?

To be fair the said transgression by Old Xavs was for one game only, for a player who actually went to Xavier College. The rule (not known by most) was that the player in question did not attend the college for the requisite number of years. Someone from a rival ‘A’ grade club (not a Catholic one so that narrows it down) alerted HQ. Meanwhile someone doing a part time on-line course (cough, cough) at RMIT was a 1 pointer for Uni Blues. It was a farce and quite rightly Xavs got the points back on appeal. Ironically it was against my club and had the result been reversed (which initially it was) we would have avoided relegation. Despite that the overwhelming sentiment at DLS was that Xavs should be awarded the points. They absolutely flogged us in that game and the player in question made no difference to the result. We had no right to survive on a technicality and it would have been most unfair to Trinity who finished a game above us on merit.

Turned out there was no communications or governance around the ‘number of years’ rule. VAFA were also concerned that if they knocked off Xavs for that indiscretion it would open a can of worms in regard to the ‘aligned junior club’ clause which is another a can they did not want opened, then or now !

Blues have openly flaunted the rules and they know it. it was tightened up as a result of the ridiculous interpretation applied to the definition of a student, which allowed them to stack a team and pinch a flag in 2019. They should have been happy that they got away with that one but thought they were above the rules.

(And I reckon you might have missed a few of the great man’s pseudonyms)

 

[Jascave]

I wonder could we see the possibilty of court action taken by Uni Blues against the VAFA, like what Old Melburnians did back in the 2000 season, when they took legal action against the VAFA over a player called Andrew Topakas, and which is detailed in length in Paul Daffey's excellent book on grassroots footy, 'Local Rites.'

 

[AM]

To be fair the said transgression by Old Xavs was for one game only, for a player who actually went to Xavier College. The rule (not known by most) was that the player in question did not attend the college for the requisite number of years. Someone from a rival ‘A’ grade club (not a Catholic one so that narrows it down) alerted HQ. Meanwhile someone doing a part time on-line course (cough, cough) at RMIT was a 1 pointer for Uni Blues. It was a farce and quite rightly Xavs got the points back on appeal. Ironically it was against my club and had the result been reversed (which initially it was) we would have avoided relegation. Despite that the overwhelming sentiment at DLS was that Xavs should be awarded the points. They absolutely flogged us in that game and the player in question made no difference to the result. We had no right to survive on a technicality and it would have been most unfair to Trinity who finished a game above us on merit.

Turned out there was no communications or governance around the ‘number of years’ rule. VAFA were also concerned that if they knocked off Xavs for that indiscretion it would open a can of worms in regard to the ‘aligned junior club’ clause which is another a can they did not want opened, then or now !

Blues have openly flaunted the rules and they know it. it was tightened up as a result of the ridiculous interpretation applied to the definition of a student, which allowed them to stack a team and pinch a flag in 2019. They should have been happy that they got away with that one but thought they were above the rules.

(And I reckon you might have missed a few of the great man’s pseudonyms)

The number of games or the size of the margin is not the point, JJ. Guilt was found and they were given a get-out-of-jail-free card. If you are going to apply a set of standards then apply them equitably. One of the criticisms of the VAFA leadership has been their decision-making has been all over the place. And I hold to the view the transgressions have been more pervasive than just the Blues who, as I've said, I have no sympathy for.

Yes, I know many of the grate man's Nom De Guerre's have not been mentioned but there's only so much time and I don't want to move into the specialty area of Hippster in that respect as he's the doyen.

 

[AM]

I wonder could we see the possibilty of court action taken by Uni Blues against the VAFA, like what Old Melburnians did back in the 2000 season, when they took legal action against the VAFA over a player called Andrew Topakas, and which is detailed in length in Paul Daffey's excellent book on grassroots footy, 'Local Rites.'

Nup!

 

[Del28562]

Still believe opposition clubs should have got the points.
Blues only need to win 2 games and their our of relegation zone again.
Thus the upshot is they were fined $11,000. Someone will have that in their ashtray.

Exactly this is an AFL style suspension, any other club in the state, not only lose the 4 points but the other team gets the 4 points.

It's made out to be bad, but they won't be relegated, they don't get a reduction in points for next year and a 11k fine, if you were Torquay or dimboola you would be awfully pissed off, as they copped a big whack of gils stick, but his old side gets a slap on the wrist, our great game has been turned to poo

 

[Penski]

Exactly this is an AFL style suspension, any other club in the state, not only lose the 4 points but the other team gets the 4 points.

It's made out to be bad, but they won't be relegated, they don't get a reduction in points for next year and a 11k fine, if you were Torquay or dimboola you would be awfully pissed off, as they copped a big whack of gils stick, but his old side gets a slap on the wrist, our great game has been turned to poo

There is a Mclachlan-sized stain all over this outcome.

I'm amazed that they didn't also give the 4 points to the opposition teams to make this an actual punishment, unlike the wrist-slap this ultimately is.

And how they can still have a percentage of 87% is just beyond me as well. This is a terrible outcome in terms of actual deterrence.

 

[Keano15]

I wonder could we see the possibilty of court action taken by Uni Blues against the VAFA, like what Old Melburnians did back in the 2000 season, when they took legal action against the VAFA over a player called Andrew Topakas, and which is detailed in length in Paul Daffey's excellent book on grassroots footy, 'Local Rites.'

Didn't OM's lose the case? I have some recollection that had to pay all legal fees too?

 

[Del28562]

This is the most recent case where dimboola were found to have gone over the salary pro-rata in the 2021 season, they copped a 10k fine (which is similar to uni blues) they started the 2022 season on minus 12 points, and had their points reduced by 15% right on the eve of the upcoming season, uni blues will get none of these, they won't be relegated and they'll continue to play with 45 points for a club that should have plenty of 1 point players. Also Echuca in the Goulburn valley unknown to them accidentally played a player who hadn't being cleared due to using the new play hq system, they lost the 4 points and Rochester actually got the 4 points, surely uni blues which has the AFL ceo as a past player needs to be held to the same account as these two examples, it looks preferential treatment from afar

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