Conspiracy Theory Proof 9/11 was an Inside Job?

[Daytripper]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Oh dear. The 9/11 Commission report talks extensively about the measures put in place to avoid future terrorist attacks. It placed great emphasis on the need to prevent future attacks, avoid incompetence, minimise coincidences and maintain a vigilant state of imagination. So yes I believe it is very relevant to the discussion. Protecting lives is serious business.

Wouldn't the location and dismantling of the Secret Attack Command center be of utmost importance? Also, finding out who the builders were, so they can be arrested and barred from building such complexes of doom again?

Aren't you concerned that after 7-8 years in Afghanistan, these highly sophisticated caves have not been found and demolished, thereby ensuring they can never be used against the bastion of freedom that is the USA?

Alarming you think that way Daydripper.

We have already witnessed the guile, audacity and treachery of the Al Qaeda sleeper jihad cell to attack our freedoms. Bin Ladens secret batcave is extremely large and scary. We'll need hundreds if not thousands of men with large weapons if we're to enter it. Is that why we're over there in Afghanistan?

In your humble opinion of course?

But what has that got to do with the conspiracy theory surrounding 911 which is what this thread is about ? To be honest I couldn't give a stuff about all that. This thread is discussing the various conspiracy theories - its not about safeguards and measures put in place post 911.

You seem to be jumping all over the place.

 

[EasternTiger]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

But what has that got to do with the conspiracy theory surrounding 911 which is what this thread is about ? To be honest I couldn't give a stuff about all that. This thread is discussing the various conspiracy theories - its not about safeguards and measures put in place post 911.

You seem to be jumping all over the place.

You couldn't give a stuff that Osama Bin Laden is on the loose, armed with attack terrorists ready to kill and maim at the drop of a hat? You don't care about that? How odd. Diffrent strokes I guess. Is it ok If I jump around a bit daytripper? Because 9/11 has many aspects to it that need to be discussed. Or are we going too fast for you?

Let us know because we're here to help and educate you. Did you need to ask another question before we move on? I can post the footage of the Pentagon security camera if you wish. You really seem interested in that one facet of the whole day, and like looking at the big Boeing plane as it smashes into the building. You might want to go spend an hour or two on a debunking site so you can get up to speed with what we're talking about here. There's plenty out there. ODN is not here but I'm sure TheBloods can point you in the right direction.

God bless

 

[winty]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Umm - because all the passengers haven't been heard from again.

Well, apparently some of the alleged hijackers have been heard from again, so there goes that argument.

And how would it be intercepted - magical magnets ?????

By the military jets which should've taken off as soon as the planes diverted off their original course, rather than 4 minutes after the first plane allegedly slammed into the North Tower of the WTC.

You're not very good at this, are you?

 

[TheBloods]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Oh dear. The 9/11 Commission report talks extensively about the measures put in place to avoid future terrorist attacks. It placed great emphasis on the need to prevent future attacks, avoid incompetence, minimise coincidences and maintain a vigilant state of imagination. So yes I believe it is very relevant to the discussion. Protecting lives is serious business.

Wouldn't the location and dismantling of the Secret Attack Command center be of utmost importance? Also, finding out who the builders were, so they can be arrested and barred from building such complexes of doom again?

Aren't you concerned that after 7-8 years in Afghanistan, these highly sophisticated caves have not been found and demolished, thereby ensuring they can never be used against the bastion of freedom that is the USA?

Alarming you think that way Daydripper.

We have already witnessed the guile, audacity and treachery of the Al Qaeda sleeper jihad cell to attack our freedoms. Bin Ladens secret batcave is extremely large and scary. We'll need hundreds if not thousands of men with large weapons if we're to enter it. Is that why we're over there in Afghanistan?

In your humble opinion of course?

How is this relevant to the thread - "Proof 911 was an Inside Job?"

 

[EasternTiger]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

[youtube]TDzX51ntFSY[/youtube]

No need to go so far back. This is from this week.

At 0.40 when she said 'there is a lot of chatter'..I almost fell off my chair. I have serious doubts about the ability of those 3 to sell a kirby vacuum cleaner, let alone another war. Bring back Rummy and Cheney...they did it with aplomb!

Flying schools all around America must be shitting their pants after hearing Clapper go silent.

 

[EasternTiger]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

How is this relevant to the thread - "Proof 911 was an Inside Job?"

I may have been responding to a question asked of me about 9/11, OBL, Afghanistan, etc. I may have been adding context to an earlier post, or clarifying something for the aforementioned poster...who in this case is Daytripper. One of your friends I believe.

He did ask me a few questions and insisted on hearing my opinion, which he obviously values highly. Instead of actually addressing a single solitary point in the whole thread, he persisted with his line of inquiry. I tried to ascertain what he was asking, but in between the name calling and ad hominem attacks, I must admit I was slightly confused. Regardless, I tried my best to meet with his needs.

Is that ok Bloods? With you I mean? Did you want to pm ODN to make sure he is ok with it to?

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

At 0.40 when she said 'there is a lot of chatter'..I almost fell off my chair. I have serious doubts about the ability of those 3 to sell a kirby vacuum cleaner, let alone another war. Bring back Rummy and Cheney...they did it with aplomb!

Flying schools all around America must be shitting their pants after hearing Clapper go silent.

It is staggering the level of incompetence.

That is why I think they lie for the most part. It allows the freedom to distribute whatever 'truths' they want people to believe.

Politics is the art of perception.

As Michael Moore asks after the latest Wikileaks cable :

But, it does make you wonder. And I ask you, is it fair to pose the question: If they were this focused on some insignificant screening in New Zealand, what else were they up to? And I don't mean in regards to me. I mean anyone who was on their enemies list ...

I can't wait to read more classified cables.

 

[TheBloods]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

I may have been responding to a question asked of me about 9/11, OBL, Afghanistan, etc. I may have been adding context to an earlier post, or clarifying something for the aforementioned poster...who in this case is Daytripper. One of your friends I believe.

He did ask me a few questions and insisted on hearing my opinion, which he obviously values highly. Instead of actually addressing a single solitary point in the whole thread, he persisted with his line of inquiry. I tried to ascertain what he was asking, but in between the name calling and ad hominem attacks, I must admit I was slightly confused. Regardless, I tried my best to meet with his needs.

Is that ok Bloods? With you I mean? Did you want to pm ODN to make sure he is ok with it to?

The continued puerile dissembling and supercilious hauteur on your part has dragged this thread to new lows, which really had seemed impossible before. The OP and those in agreement have failed dismally to support their thesis. The thread has passed the point of tedium.

 

[EasternTiger]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

It is staggering the level of incompetence.

That is why I think they lie for the most part. It allows the freedom to distribute whatever 'truths' they want people to believe.

Politics is the art of perception.

As Michael Moore asks after the latest Wikileaks cable :

It wasn't reassuring was it. They seem to know more about Michael Moore than the terrorist killers they are supposed to be protecting us all from. Goes back to an earlier post. They care more about PR than they do about practical matters, such as stopping the needless death of thousands of their citizens.

Then when it hits the fan...failure of imagination, incompetence, coincidence, batcaves, Afghanistan, wmd's, Iraq...and who knows what's next.

And they wonder why people question them.

 

[EasternTiger]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

The continued puerile dissembling and supercilious hauteur on your part has dragged this thread to new lows, which really had seemed impossible before. The OP and those in agreement have failed dismally to support their thesis. The thread has passed the point of tedium.

Goodbye Bloods. It's been a pleasure having you here. Take your puerile, supercilious, amateur psycho-analysis, 'How To Win An Argument' cut-and-paste responses...and leave!

Oh and have a Merry Xmas, and a Happy new Year!

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

And they wonder why people question them.

What makes me wonder is why people get so defensive to questioning them.

IMO Western Democracies have been corrupted by political parties. Not just by their actions, but by their very existence.

Parties are now more important than country and principle for many.

When selfishness is the stated goal, people don't care that corruption exists, provided they feel they benefit from that corruption. Tipping of the playing field is fine provided it's tipped in your direction.

I suspect this is why people challenge those that question. You're challenge their belief systems.

 

[maryjames]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Found this somewhat worthwhile. Listen to what the kids say...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHnzjkSAAWM
Here's the full 10 minutes..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na600UB-bG0

So Barbra Oslon reported the hijackers had box cutters and knifes..She worked for CNN and Fox News and the wife of Theodore Olson .(Ted Olson). He went on to successfully represent presidential candidate George W. Bush in the Supreme Court case of Bush v. Gore, which effectively determined the final result of the contested 2000 Presidential election. He subsequently served as United States Solicitor General in the Bush administration.
What Barbara Olson knew http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_2HsqxuUH4

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Olson
Another youtube clip the ''how to destroy the truthers'' will love..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG3abRdzBnQ

 

[EasternTiger]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

To prove 9/11 was an inside job, we need to prove Al Qaedas links with US Government agencies. Here's a few more nails in the coffin of the Official Story.

According to author Pulitzer prize winning author Steve Coll,

Overall, the U.S. government looked favorably on the Arab recruitment drives. ... Some of the most ardent cold warriors at [CIA headquarters at] Langley thought this program should be formally endorsed and extended. ... The CIA "examined ways to increase their participation, perhaps in the form of some sort of international brigade" ... Robert Gates [then-head of the CIA's Directorate of Intelligence] recalled. ... At the [CIA's] Islamabad station [station chief] Milt Bearden felt that bin Laden himself "actually did some very good things" by putting money into Afghanistan.[6]
​

An international brigade? A Brigade of what? Attack Pilots?

He actually did some very good things did he Milt.

So they were examining ways to use their recruitment drive of arabs to form an international brigade. Very interesting isn't it. I wonder how far this idea went. Was this brigade idea the beginning of Al Qaeda? Questions need to be asked of the CIA, under oath and subject to the laws of perjury

Robin Cook, Foreign Secretary in the UK from 1997–2001, and Leader of the House of Commons and Lord President of the Council from 2001-2003, believed the CIA had provided arms to the Arab Mujahideen, including Osama bin Laden, writing, "Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan."[7]


In conversation with former British Defence Secretary Michael Portillo, two-time Prime Minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto said Osama bin Laden was initially pro-American. Prince Bandar bin Sultan of Saudi Arabia, has also stated that bin Laden appreciated the United States help in Afghanistan.

On CNN's Larry King program he said:[9]

Bandar bin Sultan: This is ironic. In the mid-'80s, if you remember, we and the United - Saudi Arabia and the United States were supporting the Mujahideen to liberate Afghanistan from the Soviets. He [Osama bin Laden] came to thank me for my efforts to bring the Americans, our friends, to help us against the atheists, he said the communists. Isn't it ironic?


Larry King: How ironic. In other words, he came to thank you for helping bring America to help him.


Bandar bin Sultan: Right.
​

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA-Osama_bin_Laden_controversy
**I have provided the link to the entire page, which has opposing views. I have been selective in my quoting *waves to ODN* -as per Bigfooty rules of posting - and provided the link instead of quoting the whole text**

Ironic indeed.

I assume this is the 'keep your friends close but your enemies closer' theory?

Who is running the White House, Don Corleone!

Why do people continually gloss over the close ties between Bin Laden, Us Intelligence, and even the Bush family? Why isn't there more transparency there?

National security? Hate to point out the bleeding obvious but that ship has sailed. The plane has already crashed into the side of the mountain, pardon the pun.

The public deserves to know, especially if we're going to continue putting our own soldiers at risk in the middle east.

 

[winty]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Thought this was rather funny.

[YOUTUBE]Q_OIXfkXEj0[/YOUTUBE]

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Operation Cyclone

Don't really think there's any doubt about America's involvement in creating the problem. The amount of the money & military resources the US funneled into the country is staggering. The input from Saudi Arabia & Pakistan too make it pretty clear who funded this war - on both sides.


The one that interests me is Ahmad Shah Massoud

Massoud's Letter To The People Of America

Date: 1998

A Message to the People of the United States of America

I send this message to you today on behalf of the freedom and peace-loving people of Afghanistan, the Mujahedeen freedom fighters who resisted and defeated Soviet communism, the men and women who are still resisting oppression and foreign hegemony and, in the name of more than one and a half million Afghan martyrs who sacrificed their lives to uphold some of the same values and ideals shared by most Americans and Afghans alike. This is a crucial and unique moment in the history of Afghanistan and the world, a time when Afghanistan has crossed yet another threshold and is entering a new stage of struggle and resistance for its survival as a free nation and independent state.

I have spent the past 20 years, most of my youth and adult life, alongside my compatriots, at the service of the Afghan nation, fighting an uphill battle to preserve our freedom, independence, right to self-determination and dignity. Afghans fought for God and country, sometime alone, at other times with the support of the international community. Against all odds, we, meaning the free world and Afghans, halted and checkmated Soviet expansionism a decade ago. But the embattled people of my country did not savor the fruits of victory. Instead they were thrust in a whirlwind of foreign intrigue, deception, great-gamesmanship and internal strife. Our country and our noble people were brutalized, the victims of misplaced greed, hegemonic designs and ignorance. We Afghans erred too. Our shortcomings were as a result of political innocence, inexperience, vulnerability, victimization, bickering and inflated egos. But by no means does this justify what some of our so-called Cold War allies did to undermine this just victory and unleash their diabolical plans to destroy and subjugate Afghanistan.

Today, the world clearly sees and feels the results of such misguided and evil deeds. South-Central Asia is in turmoil, some countries on the brink of war. Illegal drug production, terrorist activities and planning are on the rise. Ethnic and religiously-motivated mass murders and forced displacements are taking place, and the most basic human and women’s rights are shamelessly violated. The country has gradually been occupied by fanatics, extremists, terrorists, mercenaries, drug Mafias and professional murderers. One faction, the Taliban, which by no means rightly represents Islam, Afghanistan or our centuries-old cultural heritage, has with direct foreign assistance exacerbated this explosive situation. They are unyielding and unwilling to talk or reach a compromise with any other Afghan side.

Unfortunately, this dark accomplishment could not have materialized without the direct support and involvement of influential governmental and non-governmental circles in Pakistan. Aside from receiving military logistics, fuel and arms from Pakistan, our intelligence reports indicate that more than 28,000 Pakistani citizens, including paramilitary personnel and military advisers are part of the Taliban occupation forces in various parts of Afghanistan. We currently hold more than 500 Pakistani citizens including military personnel in our POW camps. Three major concerns - namely terrorism, drugs and human rights - originate from Taliban-held areas but are instigated from Pakistan, thus forming the inter-connecting angles of an evil triangle. For many Afghans, regardless of ethnicity or religion, Afghanistan, for the second time in one decade, is once again an occupied country.

Let me correct a few fallacies that are propagated by Taliban backers and their lobbies around the world. This situation over the short and long-run, even in case of total control by the Taliban, will not be to anyone’s interest. It will not result in stability, peace and prosperity in the region. The people of Afghanistan will not accept such a repressive regime. Regional countries will never feel secure and safe. Resistance will not end in Afghanistan, but will take on a new national dimension, encompassing all Afghan ethnic and social strata.

The goal is clear. Afghans want to regain their right to self-determination through a democratic or traditional mechanism acceptable to our people. No one group, faction or individual has the right to dictate or impose its will by force or proxy on others. But first, the obstacles have to be overcome, the war has to end, just peace established and a transitional administration set up to move us toward a representative government.

We are willing to move toward this noble goal. We consider this as part of our duty to defend humanity against the scourge of intolerance, violence and fanaticism. But the international community and the democracies of the world should not waste any valuable time, and instead play their critical role to assist in any way possible the valiant people of Afghanistan overcome the obstacles that exist on the path to freedom, peace, stability and prosperity.

Effective pressure should be exerted on those countries who stand against the aspirations of the people of Afghanistan. I urge you to engage in constructive and substantive discussions with our representatives and all Afghans who can and want to be part of a broad consensus for peace and freedom for Afghanistan.

With all due respect and my best wishes for the government and people of the United States,

Ahmad Shah Massoud

Ahmad Shah Massoud was assassinated . . . September 9, 2001



Coincidence.

 

[EasternTiger]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Thought this was rather funny.

Haha

I lost it at "How would you like it if you had to spend 2 months in mountain caves, sleeping on rocks, planning something really special, only to have someone take the credit away from you"

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Designation of Gulbuddin Hekmatyar as a Terrorist

The U.S. Government has information indicating that Gulbuddin Hekmatyar has participated in and supported terrorist acts committed by al-Qa’ida and the Taliban. Because of his terrorist activity, the United States is designating Hekmatyar as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist under the authority of Executive Order 13224. At the same time, the United States will request that the UN 1267 Sanctions Committee include Hekmatyar on its consolidated list of entities and individuals associated with Usama bin Laden, al-Qa’ida, and the Taliban, which would obligate all Member States to impose sanctions, including assets freezes, under UN Security Council Resolutions 1267, 1390, and 1455.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080614070534/http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2003/17799.htm

For some reason, the original link is missing from the state department site.


Gulbuddin Hekmatyar



Nah, the US & Pakistan didn't have anything to do with creating the 'problem'.


The more you look into it, the more you've got to question who they/we are actually fighting.

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Do you feel safe?

At CIA Headquarters, Director George Tenet ordered the building evacuated. Senior CIA leaders relocated to a structure nearby. Officers working in the Counterterrorism Center stayed to direct analysis and operations. Directorate of Support officers quickly set up computers and phones in an empty conference room that would soon function as the command center.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publica...ion-to-duty/september-11th-photo-gallery.html


Can someone remind me why the CIA HQ was evacuated?

The country is under attack and they relocate the Intelligence HQ's to a conference room?

What happened to all that planning and trillions spent on preparing for a nuclear war? Had Russia launched an attack, they'd abandon Intelligence HQ for a conference room?

Gross incompetence or something else?

 

[EasternTiger]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Unfortunately, this dark accomplishment could not have materialized without the direct support and involvement of influential governmental and non-governmental circles in Pakistan. Aside from receiving military logistics, fuel and arms from Pakistan, our intelligence reports indicate that more than 28,000 Pakistani citizens, including paramilitary personnel and military advisers are part of the Taliban occupation forces in various parts of Afghanistan. We currently hold more than 500 Pakistani citizens including military personnel in our POW camps. Three major concerns - namely terrorism, drugs and human rights - originate from Taliban-held areas but are instigated from Pakistan, thus forming the inter-connecting angles of an evil triangle. For many Afghans, regardless of ethnicity or religion, Afghanistan, for the second time in one decade, is once again an occupied country.

Ahmad Shah Massoud was assassinated . . . September 9, 2001



Coincidence.

Great post Jeff. Pakistan supporting the Taliban. I did not know that.

Yes, coincidence indeed.

 

[winty]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Haha

I lost it at "How would you like it if you had to spend 2 months in mountain caves, sleeping on rocks, planning something really special, only to have someone take the credit away from you"

I liked the part when he goes "Take your family to the Washington Memorial on October 9, 2009 at 3.04...take the tour and stay there. We'll show you Al Qaeda can plan something big."

Great post Jeff. Pakistan supporting the Taliban. I did not know that.

Yes, coincidence indeed.

The ISI, which is the Pakistani equivalent of the CIA, apparently not only funded the hi-jackers, but also gave them the go-ahead. Not only that, but the head of the ISI was in Washington meeting the head of the CIA in the days before 9/11. Wonder what they were discussing in that meeting...

Oh, I nearly forgot. Osama had been on the US's most wanted list for years and had a $5 million bounty on his head, yet in June 2001, he spent a week or so being cared for in an American hospital in Dubai, and even had a visit by the local CIA agent there. Guess no-one thought about arresting him while he was there though, considering he's still at large.

Here's another interesting tidbit too. Apparently when the US military had pinpointed Osama in one of his caves after 9/11, they had him surrounded on three sides, but left the back door, which coincidentally was the border to Pakistan, undefended. No prizes for guessing what Osama did.

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Unocal Corporation

Unocal was one of the key players in the CentGas consortium, an attempt to build the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline to run from the Caspian area, through Afghanistan and probably Pakistan, to the Indian Ocean. One of the consultants to Unocal at that time was Zalmay Khalilzad, former US ambassador to Afghanistan, Iraq, and the United Nations.

In the 1980s CIA chief Bill Casey had revived the agency's practise of gaining intelligence from traveling businessmen. Marty Miller, one of Unocal's top executives, conducted negotiations in several Central Asian countries from 1995, and voluntarily provided information gained on these trips to the CIA's Houston station.[10]

In 1996 Unocal opened an office in Kandahar, Afghanistan, while the Taliban were in the process of taking control of the country.

Unocal rented a house in central Kandahar directly across the street from one of [Osama] bin Laden's new compounds. They did not choose this location deliberately. Most of the decent houses in town straddled the Herat Bazaar Road. Also near was the Pakistani consulate, which housed officers from [the Pakistani military Inter-Services Intelligence, the] ISI.
—Steve Coll, Ghost Wars[11]

In 1997,

Robert Oakley [ex-US ambassador to Pakistan, now on Unocal's ad hoc advisory board] advised Miller to reach the Taliban by working through Pakistan's government [then led by Benazir Bhutto]. He also suggested that Unocal hire Thomas Gouttiere, an Afghan specialist at the University of Nebraska at Omaha, to develop a job training program in Kandahar that would teach Pashtuns the technical skills needed to build a pipeline. ... Unocal agreed to pay $900,000 via the University of Nebraska to set up a Unocal training facility on a fifty-six acre site in Kandahar, not far from bin Laden's compounds. ... Gouttiere traveled in and out of Afghanistan and met with Taliban leaders. ... In December 1997 Gouttiere worked with Miller to arrange for another Taliban delegation to visit the United States. ...
—Steve Coll, Ghost Wars[12]

Unocal seems to have had a deeper role. Intelligence "whistleblower" Julie Sirrs claimed that anti-Taliban leader Ahmad Shah Massoud told her he had "proof that Unocal had provided money that helped the Taliban take Kabul [in 1996]".[13] And French journalist Richard Labeviere said, referring to the later 1990s, "The CIA and Unocal's security forces ... provided military weapons and instructors to several Taleban militia ..."[14]

The Taleban and Unocal were in negotiations in Texas to discuss arrangements for the gas pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan in 1997 and a deal was struck but later failed [15].

The failure was believed to be because the deal was going to be struck with Bridas, an Argentinian company.[16]

The CentGas pipeline was not built, due to the inability of CentGas and the Taliban to come to a mutually acceptable economic understanding although rumours about a deal with Argentinian company Bridas were widespread [17].

The Argentinian economy collapsed soon after this deal had been struck.[18]

Unocal was also the third largest member of the recently completed and opened Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline from the Caspian Sea to the Mediterranean Sea.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm

A senior delegation from the Taleban movement in Afghanistan is in the United States for talks with an international energy company that wants to construct a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan across Afghanistan to Pakistan.

...

With the various Afghan factions still at war, the project has looked from the outside distinctly unpromising.

...

However, Unocal clearly believes it is still in with a chance - to the extent that it has already begun training potential staff.

It has commissioned the University of Nebraska to teach Afghan men the technical skills needed for pipeline construction. Nearly 140 people were enrolled last month in Kandahar and Unocal also plans to hold training courses for women in administrative skills.

In March 2005, the Chinese National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC) tried to acquire Unocal with a bid that valued Unocal at between $16 billion and $18 billion. Following a vote in the United States House of Representatives, the bid was referred to President George W. Bush, on the grounds that its implications for national security needed to be reviewed [7]. CNOOC withdrew its bid. Soon after, Unocal merged with Chevron.

The merger was seen as U.S. protectionism in the involvement of political interests where CNOOC was made aware of a "harsh political reaction" to a take over of American companies.[8] American congressmen cited "national security" as a reason for being alarmed by the takeover option.[9]

 

[Daytripper]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Well, apparently some of the alleged hijackers have been heard from again, so there goes that argument.

Where are the passengers ?
Surely thats relevant if you believe this ridiculous scenario.

By the military jets which should've taken off as soon as the planes diverted off their original course, rather than 4 minutes after the first plane allegedly slammed into the North Tower of the WTC.

You're not very good at this, are you?

Sigh....
How does any jet force another plane in mid air to land where it wants if that plane is intent on destruction ?

This is getting too ******ed for words and like Bloods I've almost had enough.

 

[winty]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Would love to see how those who don't think WTC1 and WTC2 were brought down by explosives can explain this video.

[YOUTUBE]t6XqXj8S4Tc[/YOUTUBE]

 

[winty]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Sigh....

How does any jet force another plane in mid air to land where it wants if that plane is intent on destruction ?

This is getting too ******ed for words and like Bloods I've almost had enough.

I've posted this in this thread before, but you were probably at daycare fingerpainting or something and missed it, so since it's nearly Christmas and I'm feeling generous, I'll post it again, just for you.

The interceptor military craft communicates by rocking its wings from a position slightly above and ahead of, and normally to the left of, the intercepted aircraft. This action conveys the message "You have been intercepted." The commerical jet is then supposed to respond by rocking its wings to indicate compliance, upon which the interceptor performs a slow level turn, normally to the left, on to the desired heading. The commercial plane then responds by following the escort.

When planes are intercepted, they typically are handled with graduated response. The approaching fighter may rock its wingtips to attract the pilot's attention, or make a pass in front of the aircraft. Eventually, it can fire tracer rounds in the airplane's path, or under certain circumstances, down it with a missile.

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Why We Know Iraq Is Lying

And instead of full cooperation and transparency, Iraq has filed a false declaration to the United Nations that amounts to a 12,200-page lie.

Ironic

For example, the declaration fails to account for or explain Iraq's efforts to get uranium from abroad

In April 2007, Rice rejected, on grounds of executive privilege, a House subpoena regarding the prewar claim that Iraq sought yellowcake uranium from Niger.

Ironic

Many questions remain about Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and arsenal -- and it is Iraq's obligation to provide answers. It is failing in spectacular fashion. By both its actions and its inactions, Iraq is proving not that it is a nation bent on disarmament, but that it is a nation with something to hide.

Ironic