Politics Pros and Cons of modern western civilisation

[Mister_X]

Lol rack off campaigner

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[Number37]

I never lie and all my opinions are formed via analysis of data and the application of logic.

Nek minnit.

Reaction to my opinion - Usually they pull out the what about people with medical problems comeback. I acknowledge that this is an exception to my lazy/stupid rule. They usually acknowledge that Laziness and Stupidity play the major role in poverty in the West.

There must be a decimal point about half way through your 6 figure salary.
You wouldn't last 2 minutes in a real job.

 

[Socrates2]

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No mate ,you lose, you've provided no coherent arguments .Your 'poor people are lazy and stupid' is just juvenile toilet talk.You might find yourself get into trouble one day with your insulting opinions.So answer my question who did you say poor people are lazy or stupid too and what was their reaction? Or did you just make it up?

 

[Malifice]

The US and UK might have been more liberal than the Nazis, but it wasn’t liberalism that won the war, and it wasn’t liberalism that made the peace. It’s ahistorical to claim so.

The Liberals did win the war. With the aid (indeed lions share of the work) being done by their Communist allies. Together they defeated the Fascists and the Nationalists.

Then in the Post war period, during the Cold war, the Liberals defeated the Communists. Liberalism continued to flourish during this period with the last remaining bastions of Fascism (Salizar, Franco etc) being replaced with Liberal democracies, and with many Communist nations becoming more liberalised.

This trend towards increased liberty, democracy, human rights, free movement of people etc continued until quite recently, when we've seen an increasing return to Autocratic and Nationalist movements in Europe, Asia and elsewhere.

Attempting to argue anything else is pure fancy.

 

[Malifice]

I have little trouble with the ladies.

Yeah, I'd doubt that.

 

[Mister_X]

Yeah, I'd doubt that.

Just normal amounts of trouble Mal.

Not everyone can be a playa like you.

 

[Mister_X]

No mate ,you lose, you've provided no coherent arguments .Your 'poor people are lazy and stupid' is just juvenile toilet talk.You might find yourself get into trouble one day with your insulting opinions.So answer my question who did you say poor people are lazy or stupid too and what was their reaction? Or did you just make it up?

Are you poor?

 

[Malifice]

It does seem like a strange claim given how well the Germans did following WWI in the absence of liberalism.

The Weimar Republic was a liberal republic.

Its fall to Hitler remains a textbook example of how a liberal republic can be turned into a unitary party Fascist State.

That and the fall of the Roman Republic to Ceasar following the end of the triumvirate.

And of course, Palpatines creation of the first Galactic Empire.

'For a safe and secure society.'

 

[Malifice]

Are you poor?

See ya.

 

[Len Nicodemo]

Most of the worst genocides and wars in history happened in China and the Asian Steppe FYI

Yeah I’ll go with the Holocaust. But wait, you and Fat Yak probably thinks it’s a conspiracy right?

 

[Len Nicodemo]

No, I mean Churchill, who announced to the House of Commons in 1944 that all the ethnic Germans in Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary were to be forcibly relocated at the end of the war.

At least he didn’t kill them. But hey, go into bat for the Germans.

 

[Yesterday Man]

Yeah I’ll go with the Holocaust. But wait, you and Fat Yak probably thinks it’s a conspiracy right?

I'm going with the Chinese cultural revolution under Mao.

 

[Lebbo73]

When was welfare a part of Western Civilisation Seeds? That part was adopted from communism.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Are you sure that is true. 20 years of being a dependent with 12 years of publically paid education is far far more expensive then some english lessons. There are also plenty of working age people who want to immigrate who already know english as well.

Also you dont need population growth. You just need to ensure the proportion of workers to dependents doesnt fall to low.

Depends on the individual I suppose. We have seen that each wave of new immigrants have struggled to begin with, often involving a generation with large amounts of crime and/or welfare dependence.

I'm not sure what the economic impact of the average dependent child is, I don't think it can be measured. The parents are certainly forced to spend a lot and circulate money around the economy, but would they have done so anyway? Would they have worked as hard without the financial obligation of the kids?

 

[Number37]

When was welfare a part of Western Civilisation Seeds? That part was adopted from communism.

Which King didn't collect taxes?

 

[Socrates2]

Which King didn't collect taxes?

When did taxes mean welfare?

 

[Number37]

When did taxes mean welfare?

Welfare includes the redistribution of wealth to the state to fund things like social security and the army.

Or does the army have its own source of income?
Nope.

 

[Socrates2]

Welfare includes the redistribution of wealth to the state to fund things like social security and the army.

Or does the army have its own source of income?
Nope.

Kings didn't have social security, feeding your own army is not social security.

 

[Number37]

Kings didn't have social security, feeding your own army is not social security.

Wealth redistribution is social security.
The army is a social security beneficiary. It does not exist without social security.

 

[Socrates2]

What

Wealth redistribution is social security.
The army is a social security beneficiary. It does not exist without social security.

Lol get a dictionary mate

 

[its free real estate]

The Liberals did win the war. With the aid (indeed lions share of the work) being done by their Communist allies. Together they defeated the Fascists and the Nationalists.

Then in the Post war period, during the Cold war, the Liberals defeated the Communists. Liberalism continued to flourish during this period with the last remaining bastions of Fascism (Salizar, Franco etc) being replaced with Liberal democracies, and with many Communist nations becoming more liberalised.

This trend towards increased liberty, democracy, human rights, free movement of people etc continued until quite recently, when we've seen an increasing return to Autocratic and Nationalist movements in Europe, Asia and elsewhere.

Attempting to argue anything else is pure fancy.

They defeated the nationalists by creating a bunch of ethnic nation states from the ashes of supranational empires.

What a defeat!

You really expose how little reading of anything you actually do.

 

[Sainteric]

And 90 percent of humanities worst achievements.

Development of atomic weapons (and their use), World Wars 1 and 2, Colonialism, the Holocaust, the largest theatre of war in history, the Cold war and constant threat of global nuclear annhilation, the invention and rise of Fascism, Nazism, Marxism and ultra nationalism etc.

There is always this weird European and American exceptionalism that floats around when we label other cultures or ethnic groups as 'violent' or 'barbaric'. Europeans are no different. Heck. Europe (barring the interval since WW 2) the whole region has largely been in a state of continuous war, and the site of some of the worlds most brutal genocides and pogroms, atrocities and invasions, the planets most brutal and notorious dictators and so forth.

For every great liberal leader, or advocate of peace Europe has produced a brutal tyrant or genocidal monster.

I think we're largely ignorant of it in this generation due to an unprecedented 70 years of peace on the European continent, and the dismantling of the few remaining Fascist regimes (Franco, Salizar etc) and the stabilising influence of the EU.

God help us if the EU fails and it goes back to how it was.

As free real estate said exhibit 1 Navel Gazing.

 

[Seeds]

When was welfare a part of Western Civilisation Seeds? That part was adopted from communism.

Um its part of western civilisation right now and even if you think it came from marxism, well marxism also was an idea that came from modern western civilisation.

 

[Number37]

What

Lol get a dictionary mate

For?

 

[Socrates2]

For?

For?

Look up social security, you seem to think supplying an army is called social security .Social security is providing a mimimum payment to everyone in your society who is old ,unhealthy or can't find employment fyi.