PSD Pick

[ant555]

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Klemke is a much better option in the PSD. We do not need players who can't kick, look at our new gameplan and you will see why. We have enough clearance players anyway.

I would say that Klemke is a great kick. Part of the reason he was over looked was his habit of just kicking long to no where in particular .

 

[Houli2Gumbleton]

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I would say that Klemke is a great kick. Part of the reason he was over looked was his habit of just kicking long to no where in particular .

Ant who are the players that you would strongly consider for the PSD and rookie pick? Also, what are your thoughts on Pearce?

 

[Yoda_]

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We need to realise, what we need, and what is available, do we need young midfielders, maybe, I would be loooking at a young tall ruckmen, or a mature aged midfielder, so this is why I feel, we are tending to look at skipworth, he is already a leader, from his Bendigo year, the boys would already know him, and most would have played with him this year, a mature body also, and someone who could come straight into the line up, has that experience, (is only 44 games, but feels like so much more) and I feel, would love an oppurtunity to show his worth to the club that would give him another crack at the big time after being ruthlessly delisted by the crows.

 

[essendon2008]

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We need to realise, what we need, and what is available, do we need young midfielders, maybe, I would be loooking at a young tall ruckmen, or a mature aged midfielder, so this is why I feel, we are tending to look at skipworth, he is already a leader, from his Bendigo year, the boys would already know him, and most would have played with him this year, a mature body also, and someone who could come straight into the line up, has that experience, (is only 44 games, but feels like so much more) and I feel, would love an oppurtunity to show his worth to the club that would give him another crack at the big time after being ruthlessly delisted by the crows.

That is possibly the longest sentence I've ever seen!

In all seriousness though i agree about Skipworth. Even if not winning a spot outright i feel he can be a good depth player, if (lets hope not) an injury list like 2008 occurs again. After hearing so much positivity about his mentoring role at Bendigo, this would continue if he was signed at Essendon. If we weren't to sign him he will return home and we would lose a mentor. Im not saying we would sign him purely as a mentor, however it as an added bonus.

 

[banta]

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i really like the look of De Boer.. i think he's looks a likely type, and a good type to take in a PSD.
i think the youth policy comes first which eliminates skipworth in my mind, despite all the good things i've heard about him on this thread.
i haven't seen every player who is a chance to get picked up play a game, so this pick for me is a little less informed than i may have liked, but an opinion nonetheless..

 

[abers47]

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What time is the PSD on Tuesday?

 

[NC23]

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Is it being broadcast on SEN, www.essendonfc.com.au etc...?

 

[Ben the Gooner]

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That is possibly the longest sentence I've ever seen!

I thought I overused commas.

 

[FandangoDingo]

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Slavery is freedom!

I actually feel sick sometimes with how strongly Cousins is being judged by people who have the media as their only connection to him. The AFL took a tough line with him not for his sake but for theirs. I know most people will say, if they agree with that premise, that that's fair enough (the organisation has given him --and so many others-- so much, and needs to be protected, etc), and I have no problem with that. My problem is that the AFL then expects Cousins to accept whatever terms and conditions they set out to protect themselves (or their image). Again, I think most people would say that the hair testing is nothing major. But it is in principle, I think. To tell someone that they can only join an organisation if they forfeit a basic freedom (such as cutting your hair to whatever length you want) is a major thing. Can anyone say for certain that the AFL are justified demanding Cousins forfeit that freedom to play league footy? Really? Even after you consider that such addiction is an illness that often requires more than just the individual to be overcome? Even when you consider the likely outcomes of a relapse? What will they be? Cousins hits the nightclubs the night before training? Before a match? So what? Bad for his club, yes, but that sort of thing is nothing new, and isn't itself justification for demanding he forfeit his freedom. Bad for the kids? If your kids are at the nightclub then they're probably already going to be screwed up by your parenting anyway. But what about the pics in the paper -- the kids will see them, right? Yes, but do we just tolerate lowest common denominator journalism like that (of which the quoted post is a reproduction of)? Do we let that dictate how we treat the players that have given us so much? What is really going on here???

I think the other two citations (in the above quote) of Cousins' dodginess give a clue (though I don't claim to know anything for sure, I'm just sensitive to people judging others so harshly): 1. Going to a drug dealers funeral...WTF?? That b*stard! How dare he? He's off the rails, that's for sure. Everyone knows going to a dealer's funeral is a certain path to relapse. Quick, get his tears to forensics! Coffin, man? Yeah, it's been a while, gotta cof' to get off.... 2. "maintaining 'inappropriate' connections"?? What's that even saying? That's not evidence, it's just begging the question. And if the reply is: 'people have already made clear the connections...it's a reference to something that has already been expounded in the media...etc' -- *cough* *splutter*...you're judging a human being here! Every word must be clear and supported by genuine evidence! I know he's Ben Cousins, and has entertained us and vicariously given us feelings of triumph and achievement over the years, but that doesn't make any gossip about him more allowable than gossip about, say, your partner, child, parent, friend....and unsupported claims like that are just that: gossip.

I don't want Essendon to pick him up. Because I don't think it would fit in with a plausible 'premiership timetable'. Maybe he is a completely messed up person, and bringing him into the EFC would poison the wells and replace Horsborugh with Carl Williams. But my gut feeling is one of disgust when a human being --someone's son, brother, partner-- is judged with such conviction by people who consume Murdoch media nine hours before cr*pping it all back out over forums.

P.S. I realise I'm judging people for judging people. That's not a self-defeating 'paradox'. It's more like the Allies' actions in WW2: not nice, not good, but justified.

P.P.S. Sorry for the drunken diatribe.

Are you sure it wasn't the gut full of booze and dodgy hot dog that was making you feel sick?

Unsupported claims? So he didn't attend the convicted drug-importer's funeral? He didn't shave down pre drug test?

If Ben hadn't turned up to the drug test shaved down, then the rule about the hair length probably wouldn't have even been introduced. He bought that on himself. At best, he was being a smart arse. At worst, he was trying to conceal recent drug use. What other possible conclusions can you draw from it? Just poor old Ben being victimised again?? For you to turn it around to being a matter of Ben wanting to wear his hair a certain way is laughable (like most of your post).

I believe the burden of proof now lies with Ben. The onus is on him to prove that he is worthy of a second chance... and he's fallen a long way short - in my opinion and obviously the opinion of the numerous clubs that have put a black line through his name. Football clubs, the AFL and the general public will always form opinions. Unless Ben is brain-dead, he would be aware of this. He would be aware of the image he's projecting. It reeks of arrogance and defiance. He hasn't even TRIED to make it APPEAR that he's turned over a new leaf. That was the thrust of my post.

PS. How do you know the Allies actions were justified in WW2? Were you there? Hope you didn't rely on the media

PPS. If you're saying my post was regurgitated from the press, please provide clear supporting evidence, in the form of a link. I'm a human being too

 

[hateitorlovett13]

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Are you sure it wasn't the gut full of booze and dodgy hot dog that was making you feel sick?

Unsupported claims? So he didn't attend the convicted drug-importer's funeral? He didn't shave down pre drug test?

If Ben hadn't turned up to the drug test shaved down, then the rule about the hair length probably wouldn't have even been introduced. He bought that on himself. At best, he was being a smart arse. At worst, he was trying to conceal recent drug use. What other possible conclusions can you draw from it? Just poor old Ben being victimised again?? For you to turn it around to being a matter of Ben wanting to wear his hair a certain way is laughable (like most of your post).

I believe the burden of proof now lies with Ben. The onus is on him to prove that he is worthy of a second chance... and he's fallen a long way short - in my opinion and obviously the opinion of the numerous clubs that have put a black line through his name. Football clubs, the AFL and the general public will always form opinions. Unless Ben is brain-dead, he would be aware of this. He would be aware of the image he's projecting. It reeks of arrogance and defiance. He hasn't even TRIED to make it APPEAR that he's turned over a new leaf. That was the thrust of my post.

PS. How do you know the Allies actions were justified in WW2? Were you there? Hope you didn't rely on the media

PPS. If you're saying my post was regurgitated from the press, please provide clear supporting evidence, in the form of a link. I'm a human being too

I absolutely disagree.

He has put up with a lot of persistent shit from the media over the past few years, yet he is still TRYING to get his life, career, and footballing dignity back on track. The simple fact that he has remained in focus of his ultimate goal is, to me, pretty convincing that he is actually trying to turn over a new leaf, and to agree to some of the (laughable) terms and conditions that the AFL have posed to him is a testament to his progress and unmitigated concentration on achieving this "new leaf".

That being said, in no way am i condoning his past actions or the chance that Essendon may take him.

 

[FandangoDingo]

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I absolutely disagree.

He has put up with a lot of persistent shit from the media over the past few years, yet he is still TRYING to get his life, career, and footballing dignity back on track. The simple fact that he has remained in focus of his ultimate goal is, to me, pretty convincing that he is actually trying to turn over a new leaf, and to agree to some of the (laughable) terms and conditions that the AFL have posed to him is a testament to his progress and unmitigated concentration on achieving this "new leaf".

That being said, in no way am i condoning his past actions or the chance that Essendon may take him.

He HAD to accept the terms set down by the AFL, or they wouldn't have allowed him to re-register. Can you give another example of how he's been "trying"? I am honestly struggling.

 

[BringBackCransberg]

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Unsupported claims? So he didn't attend the convicted drug-importer's funeral? He didn't shave down pre drug test?

I was referring to your third point against Cousins: "maintaining inappropriate connections". No evidence for that, just the usual loaded language -- the funeral and shave down I addressed separately.

If Ben hadn't turned up to the drug test shaved down, then the rule about the hair length probably wouldn't have even been introduced.

Are you saying that the hair rule came in after he shaved down? i.e. it was a pre-emptive shave? Gives new meaning to the Bush Doctrine!

I didn't know that but I don't think it makes any difference. ...continued

He bought that on himself. At best, he was being a smart arse. At worst, he was trying to conceal recent drug use. What other possible conclusions can you draw from it? Just poor old Ben being victimised again?? For you to turn it around to being a matter of Ben wanting to wear his hair a certain way is laughable (like most of your post).

The other conclusion that can be drawn from his shave-down is just what I was getting at: it is a matter of him being able to wear his hair the way he wants. That is a basic freedom, trivial in practice, perhaps, but certainly not in principle. I'm saying that his shave-down could well be a principled protest, and an understandable one. You may find that idea laughable, but I guess we have different ideas about freedom. Sometimes people do things they hate (such as putting an AFL comeback at risk) in order to live by certain principles.

I believe the burden of proof now lies with Ben. The onus is on him to prove that he is worthy of a second chance...

At what point does he get a real second chance? A "second chance" with all sorts of conditions isn't really a second chance--it's another, different kind of chance. The difference will be to a certain extent (counselling, urine testing, hair testing?)--where that line is drawn is to be debated. I'm basically saying that I think that debate has been unfair (e.g. the hair condition is possibly too onerous, and when Cousins makes a stand in principle against it--even, at least, possibly in principle--he is taking part in the debate...and he immediately gets howled down as a childish brat. And that is the only way he can effectively take part in the debate, since the AFL have said "You can play with us if you do this, this and this. Take it or leave it.").

and he's fallen a long way short - in my opinion and obviously the opinion of the numerous clubs that have put a black line through his name.

If he was up for the draft now as "30 y.o. Brownlow-winning Cousins" without the chequered past, there almost certainly would be a scramble to pick him up. If he was up for the draft now as a "25 y.o. Brownlow-winning Cousins" with the chequered past, I think there would also be a scramble to pick him up.

Football clubs, the AFL and the general public will always form opinions.

I'm saying that there are a lot of opinions out there based on just what they get through the papers. And strong opinions, about a person. Is that person required then to live their life as if all those ramshackle opinions were totally true? Sure, it might be practical for him to do that, but maybe he is pigheaded and won't do it on principle. Which I think is totally fine. It's good for us to be pigheaded about principles sometimes. Ask Rosa Parkes.

I dunno, it might be said that we're looking at the same picture at seeing what we want to see. But I think my view (maybe distorted by optimism?) is more humane and at least tries to go a little deeper. He deserves that much, just for being a person. Admittedly, I'm coming from a mindset in which I find the scrutiny put on footballers these days as totally ridiculous. As I said, if you're kids are at the nightclubs then they probably have bigger things to worry about.

He hasn't even TRIED to make it APPEAR that he's turned over a new leaf. That was the thrust of my post.

hateitorlovett13 hit the flimsy nail on its massive head, I think. (Burn!)

 

[albyplus]

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Essendon will rookie list Angus Kurtze from Sturt tomorrow

 

[bomba4eva]

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Essendon will rookie list Angus Kurtze from Sturt tomorrow

What type of player is he?

And where are you getting this information from?

 

[The_Young_Gun]

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What type of player is he?

And where are you getting this information from?

Where do you think??? His ass!

 

[albyplus]

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He is a 195cm 22yo talented ruckman (and rower) who has played about 10 league games for Sturt over 2 years but has had limited opportunity due to Feast & Deluca.

... and thanks for your confidence The_Young_Gun in fact the answer is in your username but you will never work that out. I will gladly admit I was wrong tomorrow if I am but will you retract your insult? I think not.

 

[loopy_cam]

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22 years old and he can't get a game in the SANFL?

Pass.

 

[Merv]

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He is a 195cm 22yo talented ruckman (and rower) who has played about 10 league games for Sturt over 2 years but has had limited opportunity due to Feast & Deluca.

Kurtze, who played League football and led Sturt’s Reserves premiership this season, is believed to have attracted interest from a Victorian AFL club in the lead up to Tuesday’s (December 16) rookie draft.

195 would seems a bit small to be a true ruckman unless he has an exceptional leap of course.

Can he play KP?

 

[Colin D'Cops]

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I'm pretty sure I saw that face at training this morning.

I think AP's on the money.

 

[yaco55]

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They may consider him for a rookie position.

He does fit the profile of being a ruckman type.

 

[The_Young_Gun]

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... and thanks for your confidence The_Young_Gun in fact the answer is in your username but you will never work that out. I will gladly admit I was wrong tomorrow if I am but will you retract your insult? I think not.

I was insulting Bombers4ever because he asked, "whats your source?"...

Being a pretty stupid question...

And I said it was from your ass... Because, In my defence, I was being a Smartass.

 

[The_Young_Gun]

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... and thanks for your confidence The_Young_Gun in fact the answer is in your username but you will never work that out. I will gladly admit I was wrong tomorrow if I am but will you retract your insult? I think not.

I think that ones getting a bit old... Like me... but you will never work that out...

 

[greenlight]

in all seriousness...we should now take cousins

ive been saying for ages we should take cousins and now richmond have say its highly unlikely...we should pounce...he would be awesome in the red and black...big upsides for us having him there....teach the young guys ethic on the track and mentor the young mids...he would be invaluable there...if he stuffs up get ride of him but i doubt he will...sen said tonight there are hundreds of sms,s rumouring him to us so fingers crossed...whats everyone else thinking???

 

[AsIfYouCare]

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Jeezuz, Enough already. We've said no MANY times.

Was it really worth starting yet another thread when we'll know for sure tomorrow morning?

 

[greenlight]

Re: in all seriousness...we should now take cousins

Jeezuz, Enough already. We've said no MANY times.

Was it really worth starting yet another thread when we'll know for sure tomorrow morning?

thing have changed a lot since we said no...lots of talk going around...plus lets get some momentum going on the topic...im sure most want what i want....cuzzzzzzzzzz