'Questions that don't warrant a thread' Thread - Part 2

[Mr Lizard]

If it makes you feel any better - Mick Molloy is an unfunny campaigner who was blessed to be held up by numerous colleagues over the years who were all much funnier than he was. Now that he is the 'funny' one on The Kick and MMM it is painfully clear how woeful he is.

I've met him a few times, he is a funny man. Crackerjack was a cracker.

What makes me feel better is that it's clearly born of spiteful jealousy. His Tigers are actually going okay, but his favourite thing is potting Hawthorn.

Makes me feel the warm glow of Premierships all over again. Cheers Mick!

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I've met him a few times, he is a funny man. Crackerjack was a cracker.

What makes me feel better is that it's clearly born of spiteful jealousy. His Tigers are actually going okay, but his favourite thing is potting Hawthorn.

Makes me feel the warm glow of Premierships all over again. Cheers Mick!

Crackerjack was funny, I'll pay that. He was still friends with Tony Martin at the time though, so I figure he helped out on the script uncredited

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Crackerjack was funny, I'll pay that. He was still friends with Tony Martin at the time though, so I figure he helped out on the script uncredited

Are they not friends anymore?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Are they not friends anymore?

Fell out a while back over a creative dispute when filming Boytown. I think they are still distant.

 

[Hawk_francais]

QUESTION THAT DOESN'T WARRANT A THREAD:
Have we missed opportunities with Duryea and Langford?

I remember reading an article about Taylor Duryea after the 2014 flag, about what a talent he was as a junior. He was known for his composure and ability to dominate games. His signature move was to run and carry through the midfield and bomb goals from outside 50, or deliver accurately with his deadly left boot.

Of course junior footy is riddled with stories like this, and it rarely translates to AFL level. Taylor has actually shown this kind of ability at Hawthorn in the past, and in big games too. We might well wonder, now that he's in his prime, why he seems to be regressing. He doesn't show the poise and confidence of a 26 year-old who has been at the club for 7 years and has played in 2 premierships.

The reality is that he's played only 91 games for the club, and I'd say at least 15 of those as sub. We all bemoan Langford's ball use, but at nearly 25, the guy's just played his 50th game. Of course injuries have played a role with Langers.

I know there will be some who disagree, but I think both these players had equal potential as Breust, Gunston and Shiels - but they were not nurtured and given enough games in early years, they have missed key development and are still learning to perform consistently. Their shot at being genuine top-line players has probably passed them by. In other teams, they could have been there already.

I'd be keen to hear what others think.

 

[cryptor]

QUESTION THAT DOESN'T WARRANT A THREAD:
Have we missed opportunities with Duryea and Langford?

I remember reading an article about Taylor Duryea after the 2014 flag, about what a talent he was as a junior. He was known for his composure and ability to dominate games. His signature move was to run and carry through the midfield and bomb goals from outside 50, or deliver accurately with his deadly left boot.

Of course junior footy is riddled with stories like this, and it rarely translates to AFL level. Taylor has actually shown this kind of ability at Hawthorn in the past, and in big games too. We might well wonder, now that he's in his prime, why he seems to be regressing. He doesn't show the poise and confidence of a 26 year-old who has been at the club for 7 years and has played in 2 premierships.

The reality is that he's played only 91 games for the club, and I'd say at least 15 of those as sub. We all bemoan Langford's ball use, but at nearly 25, the guy's just played his 50th game. Of course injuries have played a role with Langers.

I know there will be some who disagree, but I think both these players had equal potential as Breust, Gunston and Shiels - but they were not nurtured and given enough games in early years, they have missed key development and are still learning to perform consistently. Their shot at being genuine top-line players has probably passed them by. In other teams, they could have been there already.

I'd be keen to hear what others think.

No offense to you, but that theory sounds like a massive cop out for those guys.

Whatever benefit that may have been lost in not getting more AFL games earlier on was likely compensated by being afforded the opportunity to concentrate on developing at Box Hill. As well as having the onfield protection and direction offered by elite senior players when they did get AFL games.

Langford and Duryea have both had many years to work on their weaknesses under the protection of a strong side. Even with all the resources Hawthorn has given them they either can't or aren't able to improve. That's totally on them as plenty of others have been able to improve from the same position as them.

 

[Steven Tyler]

Walking the markets in Taipei, Taiwan with my wife
Felt a bit peckish, wanted a coffee and donut
Found this instead:



Lost my appetite

 

[Hawk_francais]

No offense to you, but that theory sounds like a massive cop out for those guys.

Whatever benefit that may have been lost in not getting more AFL games earlier on was likely compensated by being afforded the opportunity to concentrate on developing at Box Hill. As well as having the onfield protection and direction offered by elite senior players when they did get AFL games.

Langford and Duryea have both had many years to work on their weaknesses under the protection of a strong side. Even with all the resources Hawthorn has given them they either can't or aren't able to improve. That's totally on them as plenty of others have been able to improve from the same position as them.

I take you're point, but I disagree that plenty of others have been able to develop in the same time. Bruest, Shiels, Stratton and Brad Hill is not plenty (I'm talking only about kids who we drafted and developed into consistent senior players. I think that our past unwillingness to play kids is hurting us now. We've tried to use Box Hill as a breeding ground for senior players, but we've really just developed players who can come in and play a role in a great team.

The low AFL experience thing is a trend too. We have 6 players on our list who are 22 or older, but who have played less than 25 AFL games. I went to look at other clubs for comparison - 1 or 2 players in that bracket is normal, usually young players who've had injury problems. O'Rourke is the only one in that category for us. There has been nothing wrong with O'Brien, Howe, Brand, Heatherly or Willsmore.

Anyway I think what I'm really saying emotionally here is that I feel for Duryea and Langford. I think they were in the right place at the wrong time.

 

[cryptor]

I take you're point, but I disagree that plenty of others have been able to develop in the same time. Bruest, Shiels, Stratton and Brad Hill is not plenty (I'm talking only about kids who we drafted and developed into consistent senior players. I think that our past unwillingness to play kids is hurting us now. We've tried to use Box Hill as a breeding ground for senior players, but we've really just developed players who can come in and play a role in a great team.

The low AFL experience thing is a trend too. We have 6 players on our list who are 22 or older, but who have played less than 25 AFL games. I went to look at other clubs for comparison - 1 or 2 players in that bracket is normal, usually young players who've had injury problems. O'Rourke is the only one in that category for us. There has been nothing wrong with O'Brien, Howe, Brand, Heatherly or Willsmore.

Anyway I think what I'm really saying emotionally here is that I feel for Duryea and Langford. I think they were in the right place at the wrong time.

I think they're pretty happy they were here at that time. Got them a flag or two. Maybe they'd have been better players long term if they'd been elsewhere. But it's unlikely they'd have been premiership players.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

QUESTION THAT DOESN'T WARRANT A THREAD:
Have we missed opportunities with Duryea and Langford?

I remember reading an article about Taylor Duryea after the 2014 flag, about what a talent he was as a junior. He was known for his composure and ability to dominate games. His signature move was to run and carry through the midfield and bomb goals from outside 50, or deliver accurately with his deadly left boot.

Of course junior footy is riddled with stories like this, and it rarely translates to AFL level. Taylor has actually shown this kind of ability at Hawthorn in the past, and in big games too. We might well wonder, now that he's in his prime, why he seems to be regressing. He doesn't show the poise and confidence of a 26 year-old who has been at the club for 7 years and has played in 2 premierships.

The reality is that he's played only 91 games for the club, and I'd say at least 15 of those as sub. We all bemoan Langford's ball use, but at nearly 25, the guy's just played his 50th game. Of course injuries have played a role with Langers.

I know there will be some who disagree, but I think both these players had equal potential as Breust, Gunston and Shiels - but they were not nurtured and given enough games in early years, they have missed key development and are still learning to perform consistently. Their shot at being genuine top-line players has probably passed them by. In other teams, they could have been there already.

I'd be keen to hear what others think.

Duryea had all of last year to show that his end of 2015 form was something he could springboard of. In a team that was struggling compared to previous year's efforts but still finished top 4 - he had an absolute shocker of a year form-wise. He played a fair chunk of games in 2013-2015 when his deficiencies could have been hidden by those superior players around him yet he continued to just stay at the same level. The end of 2015 it looked like he'd gone to another level - but then he went back down a couple for all of 2016. He was given a chance to hold his position against Essendon in round 1 and was deservedly dropped as a result of his performance. He's come back in only due to injuries and rather than stake a claim for a full recall, has only shown that he'll likely be one of the first back at Box Hill once our injury list shortens.

I don't think anyone is to blame for Duryea but Taylor himself. He can't claim a lack of opportunity like a lot of other younger players at our club over that golden era - he got plenty of them.

 

[Hawk_francais]

Duryea had all of last year to show that his end of 2015 form was something he could springboard of. In a team that was struggling compared to previous year's efforts but still finished top 4 - he had an absolute shocker of a year form-wise. He played a fair chunk of games in 2013-2015 when his deficiencies could have been hidden by those superior players around him yet he continued to just stay at the same level. The end of 2015 it looked like he'd gone to another level - but then he went back down a couple for all of 2016. He was given a chance to hold his position against Essendon in round 1 and was deservedly dropped as a result of his performance. He's come back in only due to injuries and rather than stake a claim for a full recall, has only shown that he'll likely be one of the first back at Box Hill once our injury list shortens.

I don't think anyone is to blame for Duryea but Taylor himself. He can't claim a lack of opportunity like a lot of other younger players at our club over that golden era - he got plenty of them.

Fair point, I suppose I'm just curious about what happened in his development. Looked like a star and now looks lost. He's likely omitted this week.

 

[cryptor]

Fair point, I suppose I'm just curious about what happened in his development. Looked like a star and now looks lost. He's likely omitted this week.

I don't know about "star". He had a particularly good finals series in 2015 and he did "star" in the last quarter of the PF against Freo.

At best I think he'd become a very tough and reliable defender who had quite a good kick. Emphasis on "reliable". That is the area where he's really dropped off I reckon.

Being unreliable is never good for a player. But as a defender it is a deal breaker.

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

Yes well, he was only saying what every Hawthorn supporter was thinking. Umpires should not be beyond criticism, players certainly aren't.

mind you every other supporter too i saw a lot of comments everywhere from all supporters of all teams say how right AC was

 

[grumbleguts]

How come the "introduce yourself" thread got locked. Was a good thread to get to know new users.

 

[OzJohnnie]

Walking the markets in Taipei, Taiwan with my wife
Felt a bit peckish, wanted a coffee and donut
Found this instead:

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Lost my appetite

I love Asia. At times it can make you feel like you're walking through Bizzaro World.

 

[JoeHawk]

Has there been any latest update in the quality of this years draft? I heard from someone that there was a recent discussion on radio that this years draft runs shallow with only the first 5 picks being of very good quality. But thereafter it's luck of the draw. They went on saying that Hawthorn were aware of this possible scenario last year when sacrificing our first round pick for JOM anticipating that we wouldn't feature at the end top end of the draft anyway. Is there any merit here or just someone justifying Hawthorns draft strategy? Would be interested if anyone heard the same discussion.

 

[Sleutheren]

They don't need a weak draft pool to justify the move for O'Meara. Regardless of how he ends up going, the have made a move with the best Hawthorn team in mind. If it comes off, you're one big step closer to achieving that.

 

[Brant]

Has there been any latest update in the quality of this years draft? I heard from someone that there was a recent discussion on radio that this years draft runs shallow with only the first 5 picks being of very good quality. But thereafter it's luck of the draw. They went on saying that Hawthorn were aware of this possible scenario last year when sacrificing our first round pick for JOM anticipating that we wouldn't feature at the end top end of the draft anyway. Is there any merit here or just someone justifying Hawthorns draft strategy? Would be interested if anyone heard the same discussion.

Have read the complete opposite, that this year's draft is likened to 2001 or 2004, with KP players set to dominate the first round.

Maybe that pushes some genuinely good midfielders to the 2nd round?

 

[James Buchanan]

Have read the complete opposite, that this year's draft is likened to 2001 or 2004, with KP players set to dominate the first round.

Maybe that pushes some genuinely good midfielders to the 2nd round?

Pick Player Recruited from Club
1 Luke Hodge Geelong Falcons Hawthorn
2 Luke Ball Sandringham Dragons St Kilda
3 Chris Judd Sandringham Dragons West Coast Eagles
4 Graham Polak East Fremantle Fremantle
5 Xavier Clarke St Mary's St Kilda
6 Ashley Sampi South Fremantle West Coast Eagles
7 David Hale Broadbeach Kangaroos
8 Jimmy Bartel Geelong Falcons Geelong
9 Luke Molan Geelong Falcons Melbourne
10 Sam Power Oakleigh Chargers Western Bulldogs
11 Richard Cole Eastern Ranges Collingwood
12 Brent Reilly Calder Cannons Adelaide
13 Nick Dal Santo Bendigo Pioneers St Kilda
14 Ashley Watson Bendigo Pioneers Kangaroos
15 Barry Brooks Tassie Mariners Port Adelaide
16 Rick Ladson Bendigo Pioneers Hawthorn
17 James Kelly Calder Cannons Geelong
18 Shane Harvey Northern Knights Essendon
19 Jason Gram Gippsland Power Brisbane Lions

I'm not seeing a heap of KPP talent there.

 

[grumbleguts]

Pick Player Recruited from Club
1 Luke Hodge Geelong Falcons Hawthorn
2 Luke Ball Sandringham Dragons St Kilda
3 Chris Judd Sandringham Dragons West Coast Eagles
4 Graham Polak East Fremantle Fremantle
5 Xavier Clarke St Mary's St Kilda
6 Ashley Sampi South Fremantle West Coast Eagles
7 David Hale Broadbeach Kangaroos
8 Jimmy Bartel Geelong Falcons Geelong
9 Luke Molan Geelong Falcons Melbourne
10 Sam Power Oakleigh Chargers Western Bulldogs
11 Richard Cole Eastern Ranges Collingwood
12 Brent Reilly Calder Cannons Adelaide
13 Nick Dal Santo Bendigo Pioneers St Kilda
14 Ashley Watson Bendigo Pioneers Kangaroos
15 Barry Brooks Tassie Mariners Port Adelaide
16 Rick Ladson Bendigo Pioneers Hawthorn
17 James Kelly Calder Cannons Geelong
18 Shane Harvey Northern Knights Essendon
19 Jason Gram Gippsland Power Brisbane Lions

I'm not seeing a heap of KPP talent there.

And only three premiership players for hawthorn in the top 19. What a weak draft.

Of course if we were to continue that down to 36 we add campbell brown and sam mitchell. A total of five premiership players for Hawthorn from that draft, albeit one (Hale) went via North Melbourne but that happens when you play for north.

 

[Buttonsticher]

Did anybody out there go to the Hawks 'Inside the Huddle' last Tuesday night? Would appreciate a quick report if possible. I was working so couldn't attend.

 

[Sturty]

SEATING FOR HODGE 300

can anybody please tell me what bays hawks fans are designated for this weekends game? Can get M52 but don't wanna be surrounded by cats fans. Also. i go to enter my member barcode on ticketek and it says invalid? Any help is much appreciated

 

[Mr Lizard]

member barcode

Geelong home game, not a replacement game. The barcode it does nothing.

Stand in M10 and sing songs.

 

[Todman]

Watched a bit if the Carlton Melbourne game, Has Jordan Lewis had work done to his hairline?

 

[Buttonsticher]

Geelong home game, not a replacement game. The barcode it does nothing.

Stand in M10 and sing songs.

The barcode will get you tickets at a reduced price compared to tickets available to the general public. Im in M55