Quigley's 2011 Mock (Warning: Reading Required)

[HARKER]

Brilliant work Quigley and also to all the other guys that took the time to put together such comprehensive bodies of work.
Hats off to all you guys ................................except for that one guy who pinched someone elses work from another site and posted it as his own.

 

[year of the roo]

Can the mods name and shame the disrespectful twats not giving this thread at least 4 stars?

 

[The Smaller Warrior]

Best thread of the year, amazing stuff.

Got me excited about Wingard, must settle down and not expect he will fall to us.

 

[Gogeelong]

Quigley what do you think of Bews (FS) for Geelong?
PS I enjoy reading your write ups. Thanks for the info


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[blackpowerlappin]

Thanks Quigley - that is a real opus magnum
I've been hanging out for it and the details for those of us who cannot see
U18s etc games are invaluable for years to come.

Now i'll be up all night reading it, and then get abused by my wife who thinks i'm on pr0n sites all night whilst she's asleep

Here! Here! Brother, mine thinks the same. Quigs, Quality, informative and interesting! Thank you and to others who take the time to educate those of us that don't get the chance to see the kids.

 

[blynd_freddie]

Here! Here! Brother, mine thinks the same. Quigs, Quality, informative and interesting! Thank you and to others who take the time to educate those of us that don't get the chance to see the kids.

You bast... I had that penciled in as my reply quote... now I'm stuck with the slops... haha

Another great write up Quigs, [and yes we are blessed with others - good to see that opinions are more greatly accepted now days and we are not 'pushing away' posters any more!] many thanks to you and others for sharing your hard worked hours!

Some punters have suggested this is some-what of a shallow draft with strength in the top 15-ish and [I use my words now] a blanket over the next 50-ish. With Haynes 30+, Nelson 40+ and ‘missed’ in the top 49 including Josh Tynan, Jack Newnes, Jack Crisp, John McKenzie and Brett O’Hanlon – where might you stand Quigs, on my suggested analogy?


Personally, I feel this maybe one of the better draft years.

 

[swansfan51]

I see Buntine as not too dissimilar to Heppell, who you also rated much lower than most in your 2010 mock draft. In fact your write-ups for both are very similar, involving injuries, poor performances at the championships, average hands, lack of midfield exposure or potential.

Do you not like this type of player, or do you just feel that these 2 will fail to rise to the heights expected of them?

I like Grigg as a player and am glad to see someone still has him high up the order! Always good to see some differences

 

[.Shotties.]

Been hanging out for this. Cheers, Quigley.

 

[Quigley]

I see Buntine as not too dissimilar to Heppell, who you also rated much lower than most in your 2010 mock draft. In fact your write-ups for both are very similar, involving injuries, poor performances at the championships, average hands, lack of midfield exposure or potential.

Do you not like this type of player, or do you just feel that these 2 will fail to rise to the heights expected of them?

I like Grigg as a player and am glad to see someone still has him high up the order! Always good to see some differences

Excellent point actually. They are not dissimiliar and its possible that Buntine could come out and do the same thing as Heppell did. Buntine is probably a bit better defender than Heppell is and I think he is more disciplined at the back and less inclined to attack. With some coaching emphasis on what the team wanted he could maybe play a very similar role. That is probably a best case scenario I think for Buntine.

I don't dislike Buntine as a player and its entirely possible I am selling him short. However I do have some question marks about him and didn't have a lot of trouble dropping him down the order.

 

[dlanod]

Hehe I am never even close to getting the right order. The 2k will never be mine

I think he was just trying to get Chief to pay you 20 cents a word for your write-up.

 

[Quigley]

Some punters have suggested this is some-what of a shallow draft with strength in the top 15-ish and [I use my words now] a blanket over the next 50-ish. With Haynes 30+, Nelson 40+ and ‘missed’ in the top 49 including Josh Tynan, Jack Newnes, Jack Crisp, John McKenzie and Brett O’Hanlon – where might you stand Quigs, on my suggested analogy?


Personally, I feel this maybe one of the better draft years.

I agree that there is a real blanket over 50 or more players after the first 15 or so picks and I think there will be a LOT of picks that surprise BF on the day. I disagree though that it will be one of the better draft years.

There is some talent there for sure but the blanket is there also because the prospects that are there all have significant holes in their games. I think the athleticism is very high this year but some of the skill level is down. Some of the better KP talent measured short and others that tested well in some areas had shockers in others.

The beep test results of the midfield prospects was easily the best I have ever seen but interestingly enough the 3km times were only average. Is it the case that guys now have better training for the beep but can't hide in the 3km? Probably.

There will be gems come out the latter parts of the draft and perhaps quite a few. There are guys with some excellent strengths available then and if the weaknesses can be addressed then some very nice players will come out of it. There will be lots of failures though and I just think it is more hit and miss than usual.

 

[stefoid]

I would have thought a KPD would have been one of your priorities this year although I can accept that you might not be enthused with Frost.

Gault I have gone with as a big body forward who can provide a target and a contest deep up forward and do some 2nd ruck work when needed. Roughhead may the guy you have lined up for that but with the departure of Hudson I thought you could maybe bolster the ranks.

You said yourself its a thin draft, so why make your chances of getting a decent player even slimmer by going for needs - best available down the line for mine. Thats my philosophy, anyway. The dogs recruiters may disagree!

Next year with two semi-decent first rounders we will have more scope to plug holes (successfully). A quality KPD taken early next year is likely to develop quicker than a so-so one taken this year anyway.

I dont have a problem with rookieing a few mature agers for depth (ala marcovic), and we will take 5 rookies this year.

 

[Quigley]

Quigley what do you think of Bews (FS) for Geelong?​

PS I enjoy reading your write ups. Thanks for the info​

I honestly don't know what the hell the other teams were doing in not puting in a bid on Bews. Geelong got a massive bargain with him. His engine needs some work but he has very good speed and nice agility. The endurance issues might have dropped him down to the third round I think in draft but there is a lot to like with him especially for the price you are paying.

 

[Quigley]

You said yourself its a thin draft, so why make your chances of getting a decent player even slimmer by going for needs - best available down the line for mine. Thats my philosophy, anyway. The dogs recruiters may disagree!

Next year with two semi-decent first rounders we will have more scope to plug holes (successfully). A quality KPD taken early next year is likely to develop quicker than a so-so one taken this year anyway.

I dont have a problem with rookieing a few mature agers for depth (ala marcovic), and we will take 5 rookies this year.

I pick for need this year when the talent pool is thin and take a punt you are not going to miss out on much either way. Next year I love the small / medium talent and are not as high on the depth of the KPs (at least atm although that could change with another year under their belt). Next year I wouldn't want to be passing on a potential star small because I have an overwhelming need to go tall.

I accept though that you guys have done pretty well with mature guys on your rookie list lately and could go that way again. In fact there is every chance that Frost might fall to you there. I do like him though and wanted to include him and WB were a convenient slot with what I perceived rightly or wrongly as a need in this area. Don't stress about the pick as I said in the intro is more about getting the guys in the general area I want them rather than going all out to meet a team's needs. I put in why I slotted a particular guy to a particular team but some of those reasons are pretty slim I admit.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Fantastic as always Quigs. Just like the Melbourne Cup, many of us come in and like to think we know these players, but yourself and few of the others on this board put us to shame.

As you said in the OP, the real value in this is to come back on draft day and read the descriptions of the guys your club took. So, it's good to see no real complaints on who selected who.

I shudder to think of the time invested in this. Surely you could convince your wife that since you're spending all this time doing this anyway, that a job as a recruiter isn't so far off the mark!

 

[bedford]

Great job Quigley. Knowing the Frost brothers, the youger one in Sam does have a volleyball, basketball background because of his parents, but both boys have played footy from a young age at Ormond juniors and Jack has even played in the seniors.
Sam had an ordinary first half in the GF, but played well in the latter stages of the game.
Jack was also ordinary in the VFL GF and gave away too many frees.
Another one of our boys in Ben Darou should be looked at as well as he never made a blue in the GF. Obviously you don't rate him.

 

[Quigley]

Thanks for the info bedford.

I had heard a few people drop Sam down a bit after his performance in the GF where he seemed very shy of body contact.

Its hard not to like what Darou did this year he was just a really solid FB. Really rated his year to tell the truth but his testing was poor (apart from his 20m time which was under 3 and good in my books). He is a mature bodied guy but is under 190cm with not much of a jump and so might struggle to handle bigger AFL forwards. His endurance was also very poor (2nd last in the 3km run) and although its not such an issue for FBs, AFL forwards are likely to work him over. On his testing I just cannot see him being taken in the ND although he still might be a chance as a rookie.

 

[Suma Magic]

Amazing. Thanks. Look forward to reading the other 95% after work.

 

[Richo83]

Hi quigley, I love your work as usual. I'm aware you don't necessarily focus on clubs needs but I'll make some comments on Richmond anyway.

Buntine is all logical. Newman is getting on and Richmond really need to push Deledio up the ground. A backline of Grimes, Rance, Astbury, Houli, Conca and Buntine would be well balanced and quality. If Buntine can play back, he's ideal. He's also a backman not some midfielder placed down back to get kicks. Small forwards generally rip up Richmond so hopefully Buntine can stop that. I'll hazard a guess and say like quigley said that Buntine will be gone before Richmond have their first pick anyway. So sadly, it seems it will be academic.

On the Downie pick, on a needs perspective it makes sense. Richmond have Griffiths who is a forward, Vickery who is a 2nd ruck/CHF and Maric, and that's about it bar Graham who is a dud and Browne who is unproven. However, I wonder how Richmond would fit Maric, Vickery, Griffiths and a Downie or another ruck in the same team, given pace is the big issue nowerdays. Don't know if there are other teams who regularly play with four 198cm+ players, although I suspect someone will remind me of my ignorance. It is a risk and I'm not sure Richmond is at the place where they can take risks, it's still building a side and has many gaps. Ellis and Ross seem like surer bets while Crozier is a risk, he also fills a need at half forward. Richmond will be a very interesting player in this draft.

I'd be interested to see if you have a write up of Bolger. He has been polarising somewhat. Knightmare rates him number 12. So I'm nonplussed as to his worth, and whether he's worth pick 26. Then again, the draft gurus will never agree on everything anyway.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

I'm not convinced we'll be overly fussed about picking Scotland's replacement given we have a lot of HBF talent already at the club in the likes of Russell, Touhy, Lucas....even Gibbs can fill that role.

 

[Quigley]

Carlton's reserves played great this year from memory and with drafting tall last year your needs picks are not high. Accordingly picking on a one out one in basis is probably not the worst idea and you could look at it as adding some elite pace to your side. Teams always need more pace. He could be a faster version of Simpson.

 

[MCG-Unit]

Outstanding work Quigley, thanks. Profiles we can refer to after the ND and beyond....

I would be very happy with your Saints DP
25 Devon Smith
35 Lockyer
42 Hartigan.
(Don't know much about Murdoch at 37)
In my view the Saints needs are in-and-under mids, KP and back-up ruck.

Do you think there would be any chance of the Saints taking mature age mids in
Kyal Horsley 23 182 / 88 Subiaco; Jason Salecic 27 177 / 80 W Perth. Any comment on these 2?

 

[MaybeGC]

Enjoyed the read.
Do you think any other QLDers are a chance of being drafted. Perhaps Dalton Tucker, Fraser Thurlow or even Tom Fields-what are your thoughts?

 

[Quigley]

Do you think there would be any chance of the Saints taking mature age mids in
Kyal Horsley 23 182 / 88 Subiaco; Jason Salecic 27 177 / 80 W Perth. Any comment on these 2?

Saints are probably in the window still for next year and taking a guy who could play right away and provide depth in an area of need makes sense. Horsley I have seen mentioned a few times and might be a shot with a late selection or perhaps as a rookie. Second in the Sandover certainly wouldn't have hurt him and may have caused a few teams to go back to the tapes on him this year. Salecic I have not seen mentioned anywhere as a chance and at 27 I think the time is past for him. Good year, State Cpt yeh but I think as a mid he is probably too old.

Neither of those two were invited to State Screening which is not a great sign.

The Saints also might look a bit closer to home so there would be less settling in issues. Sunberg is one who they might have some interest in after his year in the AFL.

 

[Quigley]

Enjoyed the read.
Do you think any other QLDers are a chance of being drafted. Perhaps Dalton Tucker, Fraser Thurlow or even Tom Fields-what are your thoughts?

The Qlder with the best chance of being taken is Tom Bell I think as a mature ager. Geelong, Collingwood, WC and the Hawks have all shown interest apparently. Played up on the wing more this year but will probably go back to his medium backman role at AFL level. Powerfully built, strong and controls play around him. He improved his skills this year and is now pretty good in this area. He is a really powerfully built guy but ran over 15 in the beep and an 8.03 in the agility test which is exceptional for anyone but especially for a guy his size. He is a little slow off the mark but once he gets up to speed his top end is very good. His 20m times were poor at 3.14 but his 30m repeat sprint times were in the top 7%.

I had been planning to write Bell up but I got lazy at the end and just wanted to get the thing posted. I do however think Bell will be taken this year either in the ND or as a rookie.

Of the three mentioned Thurlow and Fields are the two who may have some chance. Thurlow has great size and did well for Qld this year at the Champs but his athleticism concerns me. I think his best chance is that someone takes him as a rookie KP/ruck project. Fields showed me a bit at the Champs as a defender. Dropped a few marks he should have taken but otherwise showed pretty good judgment and not a bad kick. Essendon didn't pick him up as a father/son but I think his best chance is still to the Bombers in the rookie draft.