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David the Cat said:
I think it was Leppitsch who stated its no longer individual performance these days but team strategy/structure that matters when assessing performance.

You play the structure or you don't play. Hence, I presume, the Constable's and Narkle's situations...I'm sure there are others across the AFL in the same boat.

Interesting no sign of Constable in the Gold Coast 22 for Round 1.

I hope Narkle gets a run soon.
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Exactly, it doesn't come down to a simple stat or two. Look at performance holistically. There are holes in his game.

I'll use baseball as an analogy, since that is what I know best. A hitter could be hitting 50 homeruns a year, but if the opposition figure out where there is a hole in his swing(like can't handle low and away or the curve inside), then he'd better make some changes or he'll be gone very quickly.

I suspect the coaches see a hole and it threatens the cohesion of the entire defensive pressure effort.
 
Hinkley29 said:
I don't like saying this, but Narkle is done at Geelong.

Duncan, Mengola and O'Connor out last week, and he still can't crack a spot in the midfield.

Miers out but he can't get a spot as a small forward.

Doesn't even crack the team as a sub.

Holmes has clearly gone past him as a midfielder, and Stephens may have also. Stengle has jumped over him.

Evans get chosen as sub ahead of him. Higgins and Dalhaus still getting a game ahead of him. Close still getting a game ahead of him.

Only signed a 1 year contract at the end of last season.

He is done at Geelong
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One reason he'll get the sub best is I don't think they'll debut a kid on the vest
 
David the Cat said:
I think it was Leppitsch who stated its no longer individual performance these days but team strategy/structure that matters when assessing performance.

You play the structure or you don't play. Hence, I presume, the Constable's and Narkle's situations...I'm sure there are others across the AFL in the same boat.

Interesting no sign of Constable in the Gold Coast 22 for Round 1.

I hope Narkle gets a run soon.

EDIT: Constable is injured and likely out for a month
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Gary ablett senior doesnt get a game then.
 

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Seeds said:
Gary ablett senior doesnt get a game then.
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He would have kicked 3000 goals as a country footballer in this era.
 
Pure_Ownage said:
He probably wouldnt have which speaks to how footy has changed and the professionalism required.
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Or its simply not true and he would of just played for a different club that valued talent and flexibility a little bit more then the ability to follow robotic instruction.

The end point of perfect structure is inflexibility. the russian army is as structured as you can get. But they dont have the talent. Nor the ability to adapt when they lose contact with the coach. They just keep folowing the structure which involves trying to land planes at airports they havent captured yet because the structure told them they had.
 
Unless Narkle is joining the Russian army, not sure the relevance or connection between the two

Let's return discussion to that of Narkle - he's up in Sydney with the team for tonights match and would seem he's in line to be the sub

IF he does get a chance tonight, hope he goes well and has a positive impact
 
cats_09 said:
Unless Narkle is joining the Russian army, not sure the relevance or connection between the two

Let's return discussion to that of Narkle - he's up in Sydney with the team for tonights match and would seem he's in line to be the sub

IF he does get a chance tonight, hope he goes well and has a positive impact
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That's the spirit. Love it
 
VFL Coaches Votes:

Geelong 12.14 (86) def Essendon 8.10 (58)
9 Quinton Narkle (Gee)
8 Matthew Ling (Gee)
6 Oliver Dempsey (Gee)
5 Joe Atley (Ess)
1 Cody Brand (Ess)
1 Brandon Zerk-Thatcher (Ess)

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VFL Coaches Award: Trio start with perfect score

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CatToTheFuture said:
Kind of surprised Narks topped the votes
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Same here. Actually underlines the fact that we had some encouraging efforts but no real four-quarter performers.

Quinton looked fine. But the same old questions remain. He can win some of his own ball. And he can get on the end of others winning the ball. And he's OKish at using it once he's got it. But when the ball starts going the other way, he's generally receding in the rear-vision mirror extremely quickly.
 
goyoucatters said:
Same here. Actually underlines the fact that we had some encouraging efforts but no real four-quarter performers.

Quinton looked fine. But the same old questions remain. He can win some of his own ball. And he can get on the end of others winning the ball. And he's OKish at using it once he's got it. But when the ball starts going the other way, he's generally receding in the rear-vision mirror extremely quickly.
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Yeah you could throw a blanket over our best 6 I think
 

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CatToTheFuture said:
Favourite isn't the word, players they trust is the description
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The problem with the conspiracy narrative on someone like Narkle (like the one that ran here regarding Constable) is that the conspiracy is clearly so concerted across the competition. Quinton wouldn't even be in the AFL system this year if we hadn't signed him again at the end of 2021. And Charlie was vanishing without a trace until Hugh legged it out of the Suns.

Based on the lack of action at trade time in recent seasons, it's clearly not just the Cats who don't have Narkle or Constable supposedly pegged as 'favourites'.
 
goyoucatters said:
The problem with the conspiracy narrative on someone like Narkle (like the one that ran here regarding Constable) is that the conspiracy is clearly so concerted across the competition. Quinton wouldn't even be in the AFL system this year if we hadn't signed him again at the end of 2021. And Charlie was vanishing without a trace until Hugh legged it out of the Suns.

Based on the lack of action at trade time in recent seasons, it's clearly not just the Cats who don't have Narkle or Constable supposedly pegged as 'favourites'.
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I can see where you're coming from and I agree with the majority of it, but I believe there's a significant amount of confirmation bias occuring (not necessarily from you, but certainly others).

Ongoing commentary about lack of pressure, and I agree, it's a weakness.

Unfortunately I can't review pressure acts (because you know, classic ChampionData paywall). But I don't need to see the numbers to know he wouldn't stack up well there.

But, did you know:

  • Shaun Higgins had two games last year with zero tackles. The same amount as Narkle.
  • Narkle averages more tackles per game than O'Connor over their respective careers
  • Narkle averages more tackles per game than Simpson over their respective careers

In addition:

  • Narkle averaged as many clearances and rebound 50s as Parfitt last year, despite significantly lower TOG
  • Narkle had his first 30 disposal game before names including Dustin Martin, Bartel, Dangerfield and 50 games before Parfitt

I don't believe the situation is as black and white as you make it.

Narkle has shown a lot more than Constable.

You're right he was up for trade last two seasons, but let's examine the context.

2020: The year from hell. Virtually no VFL, virtually no game time. No continuity, lack of interest makes sense.
2021: Admittedly didn't string enough dominant games together to build any real value - but not necessarilly afforded the opportunities he deserved. Clearly wasn't strong interest otherwise he'd be long gone, but I think it's likely he would be on another list as a DFA.

Scott has gone on record several times, significant props given to Quinton.

I'm not asking for a miracle, I just want him to be given 5-6 games in a row. Full game time in the middle, with the caveat to him that 'it's now or never'.
 
#cats2021 said:
I can see where you're coming from and I agree with the majority of it, but I believe there's a significant amount of confirmation bias occuring (not necessarily from you, but certainly others).

Ongoing commentary about lack of pressure, and I agree, it's a weakness.

Unfortunately I can't review pressure acts (because you know, classic ChampionData paywall). But I don't need to see the numbers to know he wouldn't stack up well there.

But, did you know:

  • Shaun Higgins had two games last year with zero tackles. The same amount as Narkle.
  • Narkle averages more tackles per game than O'Connor over their respective careers
  • Narkle averages more tackles per game than Simpson over their respective careers

In addition:

  • Narkle averaged as many clearances and rebound 50s as Parfitt last year, despite significantly lower TOG
  • Narkle had his first 30 disposal game before names including Dustin Martin, Bartel, Dangerfield and 50 games before Parfitt

I don't believe the situation is as black and white as you make it.

Narkle has shown a lot more than Constable.

You're right he was up for trade last two seasons, but let's examine the context.

2020: The year from hell. Virtually no VFL, virtually no game time. No continuity, lack of interest makes sense.
2021: Admittedly didn't string enough dominant games together to build any real value - but not necessarilly afforded the opportunities he deserved. Clearly wasn't strong interest otherwise he'd be long gone, but I think it's likely he would be on another list as a DFA.

Scott has gone on record several times, significant props given to Quinton.

I'm not asking for a miracle, I just want him to be given 5-6 games in a row. Full game time in the middle, with the caveat to him that 'it's now or never'.
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I actually don't disagree with the tenor of much of what you have raised here. However, as I said earlier, the confirmation bias you're concerned about apparently extends to recruiters right across the comp as well. It's far from just the Cats who haven't formed a really bullish view about what Quinton can offer at senior level.

As for him getting five or six games in a row, if his work without the ball remains as tepid as it has been up until now, I just can't see it. Unless they're the final half a dozen games of the H&A season, if we're already out of contention.

Whether some here like it or not, I think he is seen as a significant liability when the Cats don't have the ball. And, as a result, I don't think they'll be promoting him over someone like Stephens or Simpson (if either can get truly match-fit) for that reason.

So I've got him fourth cab off the rank in terms of midfield replacements from last week's senior 22 (behind Mena, Stephens and Simpson), if all are fit and well. Could be wildly wrong, of course. But I see him some way back in a relatively long queue at this point.

Could all change for 2023, though, with retirements of several in the mids group entirely possible. Can he hold on/wait until then?
 
#cats2021 said:
I can see where you're coming from and I agree with the majority of it, but I believe there's a significant amount of confirmation bias occuring (not necessarily from you, but certainly others).

Ongoing commentary about lack of pressure, and I agree, it's a weakness.

Unfortunately I can't review pressure acts (because you know, classic ChampionData paywall). But I don't need to see the numbers to know he wouldn't stack up well there.

But, did you know:

  • Shaun Higgins had two games last year with zero tackles. The same amount as Narkle.
  • Narkle averages more tackles per game than O'Connor over their respective careers
  • Narkle averages more tackles per game than Simpson over their respective careers

In addition:

  • Narkle averaged as many clearances and rebound 50s as Parfitt last year, despite significantly lower TOG
  • Narkle had his first 30 disposal game before names including Dustin Martin, Bartel, Dangerfield and 50 games before Parfitt

I don't believe the situation is as black and white as you make it.

Narkle has shown a lot more than Constable.

You're right he was up for trade last two seasons, but let's examine the context.

2020: The year from hell. Virtually no VFL, virtually no game time. No continuity, lack of interest makes sense.
2021: Admittedly didn't string enough dominant games together to build any real value - but not necessarilly afforded the opportunities he deserved. Clearly wasn't strong interest otherwise he'd be long gone, but I think it's likely he would be on another list as a DFA.

Scott has gone on record several times, significant props given to Quinton.

I'm not asking for a miracle, I just want him to be given 5-6 games in a row. Full game time in the middle, with the caveat to him that 'it's now or never'.
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Great post mate...my only response is, be patient, he'll get his chance.
 

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