Play Nice Random Chat Thread IV

[DesertRoo]

(Reuters) - Airspace Systems, a California startup company that makes drones that can hunt down and capture other drones, on Thursday released new software for monitoring social distancing and face-mask wearing from the air.


The software analyzes video streams captured by drones and can identify when people are standing close together or points where people gather in clusters. The software can detect when people are wearing masks. The system can also process video captured by ground-based cameras, and Airspace aims to sell the system to cities and police departments.

Airspace says the system does not use facial recognition and does not save images of people or pass those images to Airspace’s customers. Instead, it generates text-based data on how many people in a given area are crowded together and what percentage of people are wearing masks, generating alerts.

Cities can decide whether to send those alerts as public messages to residents or route them internally to cleaning crews or law enforcement.

Defund the police!!!

 

[Caracas]

Social Media.

Where an idiots virtual outrage snowballs into a real world avalanche, all to satisfy the individual desire to be seen to be 'important' and 'virtuous'.

Twitter, instagram, facebook et al may just be the worst creations in human history.

It’s not going to go away, though. So, we just have to get used to it and make the best we can of it. It’s like all “mirrors”, it just reflects what’s out there. We can’t complain because it’s enabling everyone to get heard, can we?


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[Caracas]

I see your point, I think Carlin was just talking about the free speech aspect and the slippery slope when people are silenced.
i don’t think he was talking about state sanctioned murder which happens either end of the political divide.

I don’t hold with people being silenced. Being held accountable is mostly OK, though. Moreover, I have no problem with “slippery slopes”. They’re just something else that needs to be managed like everything else in life.


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[EDFL follower]

Its not tho is it.

There's fu** all real violence associated with political correctness. Peoples doors aren't kicked in at 4am by the perpetrators of political correctness. They don't load helicopters with drugged up union members, fly them 100km out to see and dump them in the ocean.

Political correctness doesn't use DEA drug bounties to fuel coups and potentially or hopefully fund death squads with it.

The perpetrators of political correctness don't lock families in Colonia Digidad then rape, torture and murder their kids in front of them because those families don't like Neo liberalism.

It's a long way from that stuff. So far away you can't even see that stuff from political correctness.

Have you missed the last 2 weeks of rioting and looting and deaths in America?

 

[GarnerSmash]

It’s not going to go away, though. So, we just have to get used to it and make the best we can of it. It’s like all “mirrors”, it just reflects what’s out there. We can’t complain because it’s enabling everyone to get heard, can we?


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It's a real problem and I don't know how to fix it.

Its easy to say put your phone down and have a conversation, go for a walk, read a book etc., but social media is addictive, is designed to reinforce peoples views by feeding them shit they like so is in no way going to be a positive tool on the whole unless it undergoes significant regulation. And that won't happen.

Not sure its a true mirror though, more like a theme park funny mirror, in that it is manipulated. It is also designed to attract people who like to look at these mirrors, so not a true reflection of the population as a whole.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

What about when censorship is self enforced?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

 

[DesertRoo]

Defund da police, defund da police!
They’re no longer required.

This is what contract tracing is..

US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) deployed a predator drone on May 29 over the city of Minneapolis, where Floyd, a Black man, was killed when a white police officer kneeled on his neck for nearly nine minutes. The FBI used a small plane equipped to collect mobile phone location data over Washington, DC on June 2, according to members of Congress and public reports.

The FBI and US National Guard used a hi-tech RC-26 spy plane with infrared and electro-optical cameras over Washington, DC, and Las Vegas on the same day.

Explanations demanded
The US Drug Enforcement Administration was authorised to "conduct covert surveillance" of the protests. Attorney General William Barr told state governors the FBI's network of regional counterterrorism centres would be used to track protesters.

"Americans should not have to take proactive measures to protect themselves from government surveillance before engaging in peaceful demonstration," members of Congress led by Representatives Anna Eshoo and Bobby Rush said in the letter dated June 9.

The politicians cited the "chilling effect" of the surveillance and demanded the Trump administration "cease surveilling peaceful protests immediately and permanently".

Separately, Democratic members of two House committees on Homeland Security and Intelligence have demanded explanations from Trump officials.

Trump and other members of his administration have characterised the protests not as constitutionally protected free speech but as criminal acts, going so far as to label events as "domestic terrorism".

In tweets on Thursday, Trump said "domestic terrorists" and "anarchists" had taken over Seattle after protesters occupied and barricaded neighbourhood streets around an abandoned police precinct near the city's central business district.

US law enforcement surveilled protests with drones, spy planes

Democrats in Congress and privacy watchdogs raise chilling concerns about domestic spying and use of military assets.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[andana]

People who attend President Trump’s rally next week have to sign a waiver promising that they will not sue if they contract COVID-19 while at the event.

“You are acknowledging that an inherent risk to COVID-19 exists in any public place where people are present. By attending the rally, you and any guests voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19 and agree not to hold Donald J. Trump for President, Inc.; BOK Center; ASM Global; or any of their affiliates, directors, officers, employees, agents, contractors, or volunteers liable for any illness or injury,” the waiver reads.

 

[Tas]

You need to write a book.

I agree with most of what you say but I want to focus on a couple of points.

It is a difficult subject to cover in brevity because people are generally not interested in shifting from whatever perceived position they have and most even in the face of overwhelming evidence do not change their position, it is the problem with brainwashing. Education has leered away from critical thinking to just absorbing and parroting a narrative someone else, a group or an ideology want you to accept as fact, regardless how close it is to the truth. The sad reality is that even though there is overwhelming evidence that non-indigenous die at the same or greater rates in custody, you probably still believe black deaths are due to racism.

That is not to say deaths or poor treatment does not occur by some law enforcers who are racist, but there has been such a significant amount of awareness of black deaths, investigations when they occur and the avoidance of them that they are now underrepresented compared to non-indigenous deaths. I think it is why Dr Dillon was moved to speak out against the activism because it is faux outrage. He wants people to be as outraged at the black on black carnage in the communities and that is the necessary front which will lead to far fewer indigenous ending up in prison.

You have this wrong. Everyone is innocent.

Everyone isn't innocent if a crime has been committed. Everyone is to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

If they are accused of a crime, investigated and charged it is the states responsibility to prove their guilt and until that happens they are still innocent.

Yes, it is and the state needs evidence to prove guilt. CCTV has not only provided evidence to get convictions, it has also provided evidence to free innocent people who have wrongly been convicted or charged.

There is no need for anyone to prove their innocence.

There is no need for anyone to prove they are innocent, but innocent people are often convicted regardless. As we saw from the Pell case, the accusation and testimony was enough to get a conviction before it was appealed. If there were CCTV cameras all over the church we probably would had a just outcome, as it is, we are not sure if justice was met or not and even though Pell has been acquitted, a significant chunk of people assume he is still guilty, the lack of surveillance has permanently tarnished his reputation. Without video, nobody is happy with the outcome.

If you are innocent then video footage should help you.

Ergo mass surveillance is unnecessary and a potential breach of people's freedom to just live their lives.

It depends on the type of surveillance and how it is used. I am mostly referring to things like CCTV in public places. I don't like the idea of surveillance of your personal space where you can't really commit a crime, or can't commit a crime that should be a crime. In some countries telling a spicey joke can land you in jail, you can be murdered in other countries for having a certain political opinion.

I would be opposed to any type of digital surveillance while we lack constitutional protection for freedom of speech.

 

[koshari]

People who attend President Trump’s rally next week have to sign a waiver promising that they will not sue if they contract COVID-19 while at the event.

“You are acknowledging that an inherent risk to COVID-19 exists in any public place where people are present. By attending the rally, you and any guests voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19 and agree not to hold Donald J. Trump for President, Inc.; BOK Center; ASM Global; or any of their affiliates, directors, officers, employees, agents, contractors, or volunteers liable for any illness or injury,” the waiver reads.

are actually legal wavers even valid these days?

 

[DesertRoo]

It is a difficult subject to cover in brevity because people are generally not interested in shifting from whatever perceived position they have and most even in the face of overwhelming evidence do not change their position, it is the problem with brainwashing. Education has leered away from critical thinking to just absorbing and parroting a narrative someone else, a group or an ideology want you to accept as fact, regardless how close it is to the truth. The sad reality is that even though there is overwhelming evidence that non-indigenous die at the same or greater rates in custody, you probably still believe black deaths are due to racism.

That is not to say deaths or poor treatment does not occur by some law enforcers who are racist, but there has been such a significant amount of awareness of black deaths, investigations when they occur and the avoidance of them that they are now underrepresented compared to non-indigenous deaths. I think it is why Dr Dillon was moved to speak out against the activism because it is faux outrage. He wants people to be as outraged at the black on black carnage in the communities and that is the necessary front which will lead to far fewer indigenous ending up in prison.



Everyone isn't innocent if a crime has been committed. Everyone is to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.



Yes, it is and the state needs evidence to prove guilt. CCTV has not only provided evidence to get convictions, it has also provided evidence to free innocent people who have wrongly been convicted or charged.



There is no need for anyone to prove they are innocent, but innocent people are often convicted regardless. As we saw from the Pell case, the accusation and testimony was enough to get a conviction before it was appealed. If there were CCTV cameras all over the church we probably would had a just outcome, as it is, we are not sure if justice was met or not and even though Pell has been acquitted, a significant chunk of people assume he is still guilty, the lack of surveillance has permanently tarnished his reputation. Without video, nobody is happy with the outcome.

If you are innocent then video footage should help you.



It depends on the type of surveillance and how it is used. I am mostly referring to things like CCTV in public places. I don't like the idea of surveillance of your personal space where you can't really commit a crime, or can't commit a crime that should be a crime. In some countries telling a spicey joke can land you in jail, you can be murdered in other countries for having a certain political opinion.

I would be opposed to any type of digital surveillance while we lack constitutional protection for freedom of speech.

You’re actually being so naive to what digital surveillance entails, Foucaults discipline and punishment would be a good read for you.

digital surveillance is akin to a panopticon style prison system, it leaves no room for humanity and crossed all sorts of ethics boundaries in the past, yet you preach it’s ok to use on a free population...

Ethics Explainer: The Panopticon

The panopticon’s greatest source of power is also its downfall. Would a world with constant surveillance be the key to a more moral world?

ethics.org.au

 

[Snake_Baker]

Have you missed the last 2 weeks of rioting and looting and deaths in America?

Any over emotional, irrational political movement is not only is eventually guaranteed to take on a violent form.

 

[ferball]

Haven’t seen Salo, I’ll have to watch, just googled the movie and found a great description of today.

However Pasolini saw the riots of the bourgeois students in 1968 as nihilistic acts of revolt, not revolution--a revolt of the Bourgeoise against itself, as his poetry makes clear. He watched in horror as he saw his vision of true revolution twisted into a childish and merely destructive tantrum against the previous generation.

Maybe don't watch Salo. It's pretty gross.

 

[ferball]

Have you missed the last 2 weeks of rioting and looting and deaths in America?

Yeah. They are rioting because of political correctness.

JFC

 

[Val Keating]

Apparently this is a big deal

 

[ferball]

It is a difficult subject to cover in brevity because people are generally not interested in shifting from whatever perceived position they have and most even in the face of overwhelming evidence do not change their position, it is the problem with brainwashing. Education has leered away from critical thinking to just absorbing and parroting a narrative someone else, a group or an ideology want you to accept as fact, regardless how close it is to the truth. The sad reality is that even though there is overwhelming evidence that non-indigenous die at the same or greater rates in custody, you probably still believe black deaths are due to racism.

That is not to say deaths or poor treatment does not occur by some law enforcers who are racist, but there has been such a significant amount of awareness of black deaths, investigations when they occur and the avoidance of them that they are now underrepresented compared to non-indigenous deaths. I think it is why Dr Dillon was moved to speak out against the activism because it is faux outrage. He wants people to be as outraged at the black on black carnage in the communities and that is the necessary front which will lead to far fewer indigenous ending up in prison.



Everyone isn't innocent if a crime has been committed. Everyone is to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.



Yes, it is and the state needs evidence to prove guilt. CCTV has not only provided evidence to get convictions, it has also provided evidence to free innocent people who have wrongly been convicted or charged.



There is no need for anyone to prove they are innocent, but innocent people are often convicted regardless. As we saw from the Pell case, the accusation and testimony was enough to get a conviction before it was appealed. If there were CCTV cameras all over the church we probably would had a just outcome, as it is, we are not sure if justice was met or not and even though Pell has been acquitted, a significant chunk of people assume he is still guilty, the lack of surveillance has permanently tarnished his reputation. Without video, nobody is happy with the outcome.

If you are innocent then video footage should help you.



It depends on the type of surveillance and how it is used. I am mostly referring to things like CCTV in public places. I don't like the idea of surveillance of your personal space where you can't really commit a crime, or can't commit a crime that should be a crime. In some countries telling a spicey joke can land you in jail, you can be murdered in other countries for having a certain political opinion.

I would be opposed to any type of digital surveillance while we lack constitutional protection for freedom of speech.

I'm not aboriginal but it's an assumption most people make when they meet me. I used to spend a lot of time in country eastern Australia decades as a young man.

The deaths in custody ... It's nothing like it used to be. There are towns I wouldn't have gone to around the time of the royal commission. But not any more.

But read that report you are talking about properly, compare the numbers and situations in specific cases. I dunno how bad conditions are for most white prisoners tbh but the ones I do know don't have to much trouble with serious medical conditions. Some of the indigenous deaths in custody this century have been due to what I would say was at least negligent, and often racist - as in thinking less of the death prisoners claims cos they are aboriginal - or even malicious denial of medical care. Read about it, I've already posted these details repeatedly on this site.

Some of it is disgraceful.

So yeah whatever you say in terms of data, I don't agree.

How many white people were cooked to death in the back of divvy vans during custodial transfers?

How many white prisoners were effectively beaten to death in custody this century? Especially within hours of being arrested for some minor incident that wouldn't even get a look if it was some blonde bogan at the cricket? How does that number compare?

Compare legal response to the death of K Ryder in Alice Springs to people doing years for one punch attacks, what the judge said about the perpetrators then think about the job he was initially offered a few years ago.

You wonder why indigenous or other black people feel legal systems are against them. That their lives don't matter. Things like that are why.

 

[see see]

Oh dear. Cleese nails it - this is a highly nuanced issue. Any halfwit who thinks that the use of parody to take the p*ss out of racists and bigots is at the same time supporting those views does not deserve to be employed in a role where they're making decisions on this subject.

John Cleese slams UKTV decision to remove Fawlty Towers episode as 'stupid'

The comedy legend says removing the famous The Germans episode completely misses the point.

www.theage.com.au

 

[ferball]

You’re actually being so naive to what digital surveillance entails, Foucaults discipline and punishment would be a good read for you.

digital surveillance is akin to a panopticon style prison system, it leaves no room for humanity and crossed all sorts of ethics boundaries in the past, yet you peach it’s ok to use on a free population...

Ethics Explainer: The Panopticon

The panopticon’s greatest source of power is also its downfall. Would a world with constant surveillance be the key to a more moral world?

ethics.org.au

Yes. Spot on.

This shit just gets my goat. I'm an adult not a child. I don't need the state to monitor me. Especially when people are involved. If it was really run by machines of loving grace I probably wouldn't be as bothered.

Tas the whole process of democratisation of common law, the system we use to run the state, has been about limiting its power not increasing it. It's why everything that has happened in the last three or four decades is so potentially dangerous. The sort of ubiquitous big brother style of state surveillance you are promoting is way to much power to fundamentally untrustworthy as the state.

End of story.

At least until some genuinely fair and transparent system of doing things comes along.

And before you say "that's exactly what mass surveillance would provide" ...

Social conformity, other coercive behavioural modification processes and actual unreasonable laws are all obstacles to genuinely fair and transparent ways of doing things and until they are gone, and bills of rights, limitations on powers and other protections are in place, then the sort of mass surveillance you talk about will always be a tool of tyranny.

 

[Tectonic]

Oh dear. Cleese nails it - this is a highly nuanced issue. Any halfwit who thinks that the use of parody to take the p*ss out of racists and bigots is at the same time supporting those views does not deserve to be employed in a role where they're making decisions on this subject.

John Cleese slams UKTV decision to remove Fawlty Towers episode as 'stupid'

The comedy legend says removing the famous The Germans episode completely misses the point.

www.theage.com.au

There are looters, just as there are rogue police, but if we let our focus be on the 10 per cent who are always trying to f--- everything up, we might forget that what it’s really about is trying to behave a bit more kindly towards everyone.”

Pretty bang on for most I'd say

 

[Caracas]

Oh dear. Cleese nails it - this is a highly nuanced issue. Any halfwit who thinks that the use of parody to take the p*ss out of racists and bigots is at the same time supporting those views does not deserve to be employed in a role where they're making decisions on this subject.

John Cleese slams UKTV decision to remove Fawlty Towers episode as 'stupid'

The comedy legend says removing the famous The Germans episode completely misses the point.

www.theage.com.au

This is the BBC feeling it has to over-correct to stave off attacks from the right. I can understand it but I don’t agree with their decision. They’re taking the easy way out.


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[koshari]

This is the BBC feeling it has to over-correct to stave off attacks from the right. I can understand it but I don’t agree with their decision. They’re taking the easy way out.


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Dare say the "life of brian" would struggle yo get a run in these times as well.

 

[ferball]

I'm not really a fan of banning Fawculty Twats but it's the Bbc. The U.K. Establishment are **** wits so it's no surprise. They don't like Julian Assnge either but if no one gives a **** about him it's pretty obvious subversive humour won't be far down the list of other dangerous ideas to kill.

First they came for the creepy libertarian disruptive journos but I wasn't one and he seems a bit weird so I didn't speak out...

How is all this stuff any different to banning anti vaxxers because of the shit they speak about COVID 19 and 5g wi fi from YouTube, or Twitter anyway? Or Alex Jones and David Icke? What's the difference? I've never seen gone with the wind but I don't really give a **** about how hard life is for slave owning, inbred, Seppo, wannabe aristocrats getting rich off the back of other people's hard work either.

Who cares if it's not on Netflix ... I wouldn't have watched it anyway.

Several years ago the government made it illegal for doctors or social workers or anyone working at offshore detention centres and other places to comment on what happens there. Journos get hassled by the Feds for reporting what the government plans to do. But nah the real tyranny is ts a tiny little bit harder to watch your favourite dumb **** movie.

 

[koshari]

I'm not really a fan of banning Fawculty Twats but it's the Bbc. The U.K. Establishment are fu** wits so it's no surprise. They don't like Julian Assnge either but if no one gives a fu** about him it's pretty obvious subversive humour won't be far down the list of other dangerous ideas to kill.

First they came for the creepy libertarian disruptive journos but I wasn't one and he seems a bit weird so I didn't speak out...

How is all this stuff any different to banning anti vaxxers because of the shit they speak about COVID 19 and 5g wi fi from YouTube, or Twitter anyway? Or Alex Jones and David Icke? What's the difference? I've never seen gone with the wind but I don't really give a fu** about how hard life is for slave owning, inbred, Seppo, wannabe aristocrats getting rich off the back of other people's hard work either.

Who cares if it's not on Netflix ... I wouldn't have watched it anyway.

Several years ago the government made it illegal for doctors or social workers or anyone working at offshore detention centres and other places to comment on what happens there. Journos get hassled by the Feds for reporting what the government plans to do. But nah the real tyranny is ts a tiny little bit harder to watch your favourite dumb fu** movie.

Practically speaking it wont be any harder to watch these shows. Only the royalties will be affected me hearties.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Netflix dumping Chris Lilley shows prompts ABC 'harm and offence' audit

When even staunch lefties are aghast (see reader comments), there is no reason left to continue publicly funding the ABC. It is little more than a political propagandist.