Play Nice Random Chat Thread IV

[Val Keating]

You're a builder right?

If someone accdently cuts down a load bearing column, or drops an antique nail gun and brains someone you don't blame the saw or the hammer.

You’ve lost me? I don’t know enough about critical theory to have a proper discussion about it. But when someone like Weinstein speaks about it potentially having a negative impact on scientific research I take notice.

I just had a quick read on critical theory and it definitely has merit, I don’t think it should ever get in the way of progress.

Unless my understanding of it is wrong, it needs to be more of a grass roots thing. Like equal opportunities in schooling.

 

[giantroo]

 

[ferball]

You’ve lost me? I don’t know enough about critical theory to have a proper discussion about it. But when someone like Weinstein speaks about it potentially having a negative impact on scientific research I take notice.

I just had a quick read on critical theory and it definitely has merit, I don’t think it should ever get in the way of progress.

Unless my understanding of it is wrong, it needs to be more of a grass roots thing. Like equal opportunities in schooling.

It's a tool for examining things based on words, especially structures and power and their relationship.

It's not intrinsically evil or good, the problems it may cause stem from how it's used not it in itself.

I rarely watch the videos that get posted. I'd prefer to read transcripts to be honest. I've even caught myself (and been busted by others) adding my own opinions directly onto stuff I've heard and then thinking it was what I actually heard. It's a form of confirmation bias. Or just going full ADHD and not listening at all just thinking about other stuff.

I'd rather read a transcript. So I haven't listened to Weinstein.

 

[Tarka_Dal]

The Australian State Broadcaster organised a debate on whether white always playing first in chess is racist

Seems like the budget cuts can't come fast enough.

 

[ferball]

IT'S BEEN THE better part of a decade since the hacktivist group Anonymousrampaged across the internet, stealing and leaking millions of secret files from dozens of US organizations. Now, amid the global protests following the killing of George Floyd, Anonymous is back—and it's returned with a dump of hundreds of gigabytes of law enforcement files and internal communications.

On Friday of last week, the Juneteenth holiday, a leak-focused activist group known as Distributed Denial of Secrets published a 269-gigabyte collection of police data that includes emails, audio, video, and intelligence documents, with more than a million files in total. DDOSecrets founder Emma Best tells WIRED that the hacked files came from Anonymous—or at least a source self-representing as part of that group, given that under Anonymous' loose, leaderless structure anyone can declare themselves a member. Over the weekend, supporters of DDOSecrets, Anonymous, and protesters worldwide began digging through the files to pull out frank internal memos about police efforts to track the activities of protesters. The documents also reveal how law enforcement has described groups like the antifascist movement Antifa.

"It's the largest published hack of American law enforcement agencies," Emma Best, cofounder of DDOSecrets, wrote in a series of text messages. "It provides the closest inside look at the state, local, and federal agencies tasked with protecting the public, including [the] government response to COVID and the BLM protests."

The Hack
The massive internal data trove that DDOSecrets published was originally taken from a web development firm called Netsential, according to a law enforcement memo obtained by Kreb On Security. That memo, issued by the National Fusion Center Association, says that much of the data belonged to law enforcement "fusion centers" across the US that act as information-sharing hubs for federal, state, and local agencies. Netsential did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Best declined to comment on whether the information was taken from Netsential, but noted that "some Twitter users accurately pointed out that a lot of the data corresponded to Netsential systems." As for their source, Best would say only that the person self-represented as "capital A Anonymous," but added cryptically that "people may wind up seeing a familiar name down the line."
"Part of what a lot of the current protests are about is what police do and have done legally."
EMMA BEST, DDOSECRETS
DDOSecrets has published the files in a searchable format on its website, and supporters quickly created the #blueleaks hashtag to collect their findings from the hacked files on social media. Some of the initial discoveries among the documents showed, for instance, that the FBI monitored the social accounts of protesters and sent alerts to local law enforcement about anti-police messages. Other documents detail the FBI tracking bitcoin donations to protest groups, and internal memos warning that white supremacist groups have posed as Antifa to incite violence.

read more..

Anonymous Stole and Leaked a Megatrove of Police Documents

The so-called BlueLeaks collection includes internal memos, financial records, and more from over 200 state, local, and federal agencies.

www.wired.com

DDOSecrets has been permanently banned from Twitter.

Is this the tyranny Jordan Petersen was talking about?

 

[DesertRoo]

DDOSecrets has been permanently banned from Twitter.

Is this the tyranny Jordan Petersen was talking about?

And people were upset with Wikileaks.
at least they meticulously when through records making sure they’d remove names of operational staff. Clapper even said as much during the house briefings.
they even gave notice of intended information drops.
These dudes released names and phone numbers of fbi informants....
it’s going to be the wild Wild West again with the web soon.

 

[Orange Peanut]

Does 100 hertz still mean a tv is no good for sport? Or was that a 2005-2015 kind of problem?

 

[krakouers]

Picking Up The Pieces | ACLU

A Minneapolis Case Study

www.aclu.org

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Not enough damn luxembourgers....

 

[Snake_Baker]

The Australian State Broadcaster organised a debate on whether white always playing first in chess is racist

Seems like the budget cuts can't come fast enough.

There's 12 x sociology PhD's in that one!

 

[ferball]

And people were upset with Wikileaks.
at least they meticulously when through records making sure they’d remove names of operational staff. Clapper even said as much during the house briefings.
they even gave notice of intended information drops.
These dudes released names and phone numbers of fbi informants....
it’s going to be the wild Wild West again with the web soon.

Would you feel the same way if the names of Stasi or MSS informants were released?

How's this, about a decade ago rumour had it that there were 480 informants on the books at the cop shop in Nimbin. Nimbin had a population of about 850 at the time.

Lots of transients and people in the hills out of town as well so that potential population could triple or more in terms of a pool of potential narks but when you first the at the figures ts a bit of a shock.

 

[Val Keating]

The Australian State Broadcaster organised a debate on whether white always playing first in chess is racist

Seems like the budget cuts can't come fast enough.

Fonzi would be proud.

 

[DesertRoo]

Would you feel the same way if the names of Stasi or MSS informants were released?

How's this, about a decade ago rumour had it that there were 480 informants on the books at the cop shop in Nimbin. Nimbin had a population of about 850 at the time.

Lots of transients and people in the hills out of town as well so that potential population could triple or more in terms of a pool of potential narks but when you first the at the figures ts a bit of a shock.

I get that snitches get stitches and all that but geez you wouldn’t want to be an informant anymore.. you can see why law enforcement would be so pissed all that info got leaked..

 

[The acurate one]

Does 100 hertz still mean a tv is no good for sport? Or was that a 2005-2015 kind of problem?

I think you'll be fine with 100hz. If not, just pick up a pair of these bad boys......

 

[Orange Peanut]

I think you'll be fine with 100hz. If not, just pick up a pair of these bad boys......

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That's what I'm figuring tao. A lot of helpful people today telling me 200hz is needed for sport. Some made it sound like the cricket ball would look like Halley's Comet as it soared through the air.
I'm sure I've never watched footy and thought gee I wish the refresh rate was a bit quicker.

 

[The acurate one]

That's what I'm figuring tao. A lot of helpful people today telling me 200hz is needed for sport. Some made it sound like the cricket ball would look like Halley's Comet as it soared through the air.
I'm sure I've never watched footy and thought gee I wish the refresh rate was a bit quicker.

Agree Buddy and the pic looks great on my Zenith Chromacolour100.Has a beautiful timber veneer finish. The only issue with it is I sometimes trip over the remote lead that plugs into the back of the Tele .

Yeah I’d rather we were a tad quicker tbh . Stuff the refresh rate .

 

[krakouers]

I think you'll be fine with 100hz. If not, just pick up a pair of these bad boys......

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Thanks TAO for my older pair of glasses

 

[The Other Dean]

Studying psycho-linguistics you must be fascinated by the whole trump phenomenon.
How he can talk directly to people on an emotional level. The guys a failed businessmen, failed reality star, clearly a conman, and probably not a very good one, as I can’t see many people buying a used car off him.
but he can access peoples lizards brain just by telling people what they want to hear/don’t want to hear. it’s almost like emotional abuse, because everytime he says something dumb, people have to jump up and down on the spot three times.

Sorry it's taken me a while to get back to this, DR. Busy couple of days. And kind of an involved topic.

But well said. He's all those things you mentioned.

Sadly though, some of those things are seen as a positive in American society, particularly the 'failed reality star' bit.

Taken at face value, Trump is somewhat of a linguist’s wet dream. In fact, I was recently reading an article about Trump and linguistics where they described him as a ‘beautiful lode’. Spelling noted, but it still made me throw up in my mouth a little.

Personally, in his current gig, I don’t necessarily see him that way. The reality is that the language used by any POTUS is always tainted by policy makers, party powerbrokers and a team of speechwriters. So from a linguistics perspective, the messaging and language employed by any high-ranking statesman can take an irregular and often muddy path, even where a ‘straight-shooter’ like Trump is involved. Interesting on a surface level, but how much of it is Don himself.

And this touches on one of the many paradoxes that Trump’s presidency delivers. A lot of people see Trump as the ‘straight-shooter’ I mentioned. The great white saviour of free speech, slayer of political correctness, unencumbered by the constraints of party politics, etc, etc. Whereas ironically, he could in fact be the most manufactured President in history. Remembering that this is a guy who is no stranger to the world of TV and movies, and therefore would be fairly comfortable with whole notion of being fed lines. You only need to look at his ‘Bible walk’ to see that the guy has no issue with painfully transparent, Hollywood-style artifice.

Linguists agree that he is clearly trained and schooled in his words, but it’s not always easy to ascertain to what extent. His forays into abject stupidity like the ‘internal bleaching’ thing – even the ‘I know words’ crap above – show us that there’s clearly some ad-libbing at play. No speechwriter or policy maker in their right mind would sign off on that shit. But I can’t help but think that a lot of what we see and hear is contrived to within an inch of its life. Even some of the more outrageous stuff. It’s a conscious tactic. Detailed examinations of his tweets by leading linguists seem to suggest that he’s not the only one writing them.

The strange, halting, often incoherent syntax and speech patterns. If you go back and watch old Apprentice clips you’ll see he spoke in far more fluent and coherent manner. His shtick is just that. This is all by design. A circus sideshow that serves to distract. And it works.

From an over-arching linguistic perspective he basically employs two well-tested and effective – if not particularly highbrow – methods of oration. The first being to consistently say outrageous stuff, mainly in the interest of entertaining people while simultaneously helping them forget the last outrageous thing he said. The second tactic is the scattershot approach. Say a bunch of stuff, sometimes even contradicting yourself, so that you will always have a certain amount of material that you can point to to say ‘see, I was right on that one’.

But yeah, he’s playing to a large and not particularly discerning audience that were just waiting for someone like Trump to come along. People like to say that Trump is only in power because the Dems are so crap at providing a viable alternative, but of course it runs far deeper than that. There was a huge Middle American heartland primed to be swept off their feet by a person of Trump’s ilk. Disenfranchised, still shaken by (the fear of) terrorism, and – despite the Overton Window lurching ever further to the right with every passing day – pissed off by the belief that their personal freedoms are being eroded, and that ‘foreigners are taking their jobs’. A people primed by the combination of an increasingly shallow and soundbite-esque mainstream media, youtube crackpots railing against ‘political correctness gone mad’ and disingenuously leveraging off Islamophobia to launch xenophobic narratives, and the combative, abbreviated nature of social media adding to the frayed nerves and short attention spans of the American public. A demographic just waiting to lap up what a bloke like Trump was selling.

And getting back to linguistics, this is what makes Trump slightly unique. Whereas past presidents have relied on certain key political catch-words to win over voters, the increasing (social media-influenced) emphasis on style over substance, has meant that in this Trump-era, there is also a heavy importance on the language used in between delivering the finer political points. So the apolitical/non-partisan words (“power”, “strength”, "best", "greatest", as well as “me”, “I”, etc) take on equal, if not more importance than the political content that people should be tuning into closest.

Suddenly delivery becomes all important....

Regular POTUS:
“Due to the outbreak of the coronavirus in China and the health risks posed by international travel, the US government has decided to temporarily suspend travel between China and the United States.”

Trump:
“I’ve shut down our borders to China!”

And Middle America cheers and feels all fuzzy and warm inside again.

With any luck, all this will pass.

 

[The Other Dean]

They should start paying their workers and not ducking up the planet.

A slightly more ethical approach towards marketing baby formula in developing countries probably wouldn't go astray either.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Sorry it's taken me a while to get back to this, DR. Busy couple of days. And kind of an involved topic.

But well said. He's all those things you mentioned.

Sadly though, some of those things are seen as a positive in American society, particularly the 'failed reality star' bit.

Taken at face value, Trump is somewhat of a linguist’s wet dream. In fact, I was recently reading an article about Trump and linguistics where they described him as a ‘beautiful lode’. Spelling noted, but it still made me throw up in my mouth a little.

Personally, in his current gig, I don’t necessarily see him that way. The reality is that the language used by any POTUS is always tainted by policy makers, party powerbrokers and a team of speechwriters. So from a linguistics perspective, the messaging and language employed by any high-ranking statesman can take an irregular and often muddy path, even where a ‘straight-shooter’ like Trump is involved. Interesting on a surface level, but how much of it is Don himself.

And this touches on one of the many paradoxes that Trump’s presidency delivers. A lot of people see Trump as the ‘straight-shooter’ I mentioned. The great white saviour of free speech, slayer of political correctness, unencumbered by the constraints of party politics, etc, etc. Whereas ironically, he could in fact be the most manufactured President in history. Remembering that this is a guy who is no stranger to the world of TV and movies, and therefore would be fairly comfortable with whole notion of being fed lines. You only need to look at his ‘Bible walk’ to see that the guy has no issue with painfully transparent, Hollywood-style artifice.

Linguists agree that he is clearly trained and schooled in his words, but it’s not always easy to ascertain to what extent. His forays into abject stupidity like the ‘internal bleaching’ thing – even the ‘I know words’ crap above – show us that there’s clearly some ad-libbing at play. No speechwriter or policy maker in their right mind would sign off on that sh*t. But I can’t help but think that a lot of what we see and hear is contrived to within an inch of its life. Even some of the more outrageous stuff. It’s a conscious tactic. Detailed examinations of his tweets by leading linguists seem to suggest that he’s not the only one writing them.

The strange, halting, often incoherent syntax and speech patterns. If you go back and watch old Apprentice clips you’ll see he spoke in far more fluent and coherent manner. His shtick is just that. This is all by design. A circus sideshow that serves to distract. And it works.

From an over-arching linguistic perspective he basically employs two well-tested and effective – if not particularly highbrow – methods of oration. The first being to consistently say outrageous stuff, mainly in the interest of entertaining people while simultaneously helping them forget the last outrageous thing he said. The second tactic is the scattershot approach. Say a bunch of stuff, sometimes even contradicting yourself, so that you will always have a certain amount of material that you can point to to say ‘see, I was right on that one’.

But yeah, he’s playing to a large and not particularly discerning audience that were just waiting for someone like Trump to come along. People like to say that Trump is only in power because the Dems are so crap at providing a viable alternative, but of course it runs far deeper than that. There was a huge Middle American heartland primed to be swept off their feet by a person of Trump’s ilk. Disenfranchised, still shaken by (the fear of) terrorism, and – despite the Overton Window lurching ever further to the right with every passing day – pissed off by the belief that their personal freedoms are being eroded, and that ‘foreigners are taking their jobs’. A people primed by the combination of an increasingly shallow and soundbite-esque mainstream media, youtube crackpots railing against ‘political correctness gone mad’ and disingenuously leveraging off Islamophobia to launch xenophobic narratives, and the combative, abbreviated nature of social media adding to the frayed nerves and short attention spans of the American public. A demographic just waiting to lap up what a bloke like Trump was selling.

And getting back to linguistics, this is what makes Trump slightly unique. Whereas past presidents have relied on certain key political catch-words to win over voters, the increasing (social media-influenced) emphasis on style over substance, has meant that in this Trump-era, there is also a heavy importance on the language used in between delivering the finer political points. So the apolitical/non-partisan words (“power”, “strength”, "best", "greatest", as well as “me”, “I”, etc) take on equal, if not more importance than the political content that people should be tuning into closest.

Suddenly delivery becomes all important....

Regular POTUS:
“Due to the outbreak of the coronavirus in China and the health risks posed by international travel, the US government has decided to temporarily suspend travel between China and the United States.”

Trump:
“I’ve shut down our borders to China!”

And Middle America cheers and feels all fuzzy and warm inside again.

With any luck, all this will pass.

Fascinating.

Never knew you are a scientist and therefore making you always right.

 

[giantroo]

The 2023 FIFA Women’s World Cup is coming to Australia and New Zealand.

 

[Gasometer]

That's what I'm figuring tao. A lot of helpful people today telling me 200hz is needed for sport. Some made it sound like the cricket ball would look like Halley's Comet as it soared through the air.
I'm sure I've never watched footy and thought gee I wish the refresh rate was a bit quicker.

Depends on the TV as well. Some I have seen in store when they play Foxtel on the screens is clearly a smear whilst others are exact.

I know this because I spent a heap of time in May wandering Harvey Norman to break up the weekend.

Couches, outdoor furniture, beds, even pillows, electrical, you name it!

Bought nothing

 

[goalieboy82]

slow it down to .5 and its trippy.

 

[goalieboy82]

slow it down to .5 and its trippy.

and one too:

 

[Snake_Baker]

He essentially dismissed himself on the topic when he acknowledged he’d barely read any Marxism in 20 years.

I have also previously responded to your continual churning of this literal Marxism claim by pointing out that your are interpreting Peterson incorrectly.

He's referring to "cultural marxism" as a psychological group dynamic, whereas you continue to read it down in a dry political manner, either by design or due to ignorance.

Ironically, Peterson addresses the "pathological oversimplification" (you) of "ideologues" (you) at ~ 12:40:

 

[krakouers]

The 2023 FIFA Women’s World Cup is coming to Australia and New Zealand.

Fantastic news!