Play Nice Random Chat Thread IV

[DesertRoo]

It's a historical continuation of factionalism within the American Democratic Party, it's just they are normally better at hiding it and acting as a 'unified' front.

Still amazes me the party of the Jim Crow courted the black and Latino vote. Honestly I think the democrat party needs to split in order to move forward.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

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UK election - won by extremist Tories and their allies breaking up a 50 year long successful economic alliance

US elections (2016 and 20) - won by an extremist on race and immigration outside after smashing the centrist insider. Now looking to be an extreme by US standards democratic socialist vs said other extremist.

Even bloody Sinn Fein just nailed the Irish elections.

What an absolute crock.

Extremist tories, what in the actual world makes them extremist? And you have the actual cheek to jump down my throat about Bernie in regards to bullshit. The only thing extreme about the Tories is wanting to leave the EU and that is only extreme in the sense that it is unprecedented, not that it actually has any real connotations to a fully fledged political nazi or fascis state emerging in Britain.

Trump is a populist, not a extremist. If people are still historically comparing him to someone who organised a paramilitary march on his government, shot his political opponents by the dozen, changed voting laws for only his party and actually introduced censorship laws (Trump criticising the media is not censorship), then you need to re-read your history textbook.

Again, Sinn Fein is populist, not extremist, at least not to the extent they used to be ala IRA. If you bother to actually look at their current political platform (gay marriage legalisation, high state investment, etc), they are actually pretty stock-standard European social democrats, with the populist exception of the unification of Ireland and Northern Ireland. Their paramilitary links to the IRA are not as much of a concern due to their commitment to the peace process.


Now I know why I keep leaving this thread; ahistorical rubbish, false equivalences and people who only want their views constantly re-affirmed.

Glib ill-informed bullshit.

I guarantee you take for granted "Stalinist" policies that Bernie is proposing and would squeal if they were taken away.

Just like your Mussolini example, you just don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot.

Don't bother replying to either post, I am leaving this thread and hopefully never coming back.

Still amazes me the party of the Jim Crow courted the black and Latino vote. Honestly I think the democrat party needs to split in order to move forward.

I doubt it would be a healthy split, ala Democratic Labour Party and ALP.

 

[DesertRoo]

What an absolute crock.

Extremist tories, what in the actual world makes them extremist? And you have the actual cheek to jump down my throat about Bernie in regards to bullshit. The only thing extreme about the Tories is wanting to leave the EU and that is only extreme in the sense that it is unprecedented, not that it actually has any real connotations to political nazism or fascism emerging in Britain.

Trump is a populist, not a extremist. If people are still historically comparing him to someone who organised a paramilitary march on his government, shot his political opponents by the dozen, changed voting laws for only his party and actually introduced censorship laws (Trump criticising the media is not censorship), then you need to re-read your history textbook.

Again, Sinn Fein is populist, not extremist. If you bother to actually look at their political platform (gay marriage legalisation, high state investment, etc), they are actually pretty stock-standard European social democrats, with the populist exception of the unification of Ireland and Northern Ireland.


Now I know why I keep leaving this thread; ahistorical rubbish, false equivalences and people who only want their views constantly re-affirmed.

Just like your Mussolini example, you just don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot.

Don't bother replying to either post, I am leaving this thread and hopefully never coming back.


I doubt it would be a healthy split, ala Democratic Labour Party and ALP.

While I would like to agree with everything you say. We currently have an Australian publisher, sitting in a high security British prison, awaiting extradition to a country he has never been too.
you have nations conspiring to keep him arbitrary detained and judges ignoring the law and obvious conflicts of interest.
all in the effort to suppress information flow to the public.

this is fascism...

 

[Del191229]

Extremist tories, what in the actual world makes them extremist?

They prorogued parliament illegally.

They have walked Britain out of the largest trading bloc in the world and the guarantor of European peace.

For a start.

 

[Del191229]

Again, Sinn Fein is populist, not extremist. If you bother to actually look at their political platform (gay marriage legalisation, high state investment, etc), they are actually pretty stock-standard European social democrats, with the populist exception of the unification of Ireland and Northern Ireland.

Yes, all European social democratic parties have senior leaders like Gerry Kelly, who bombed the Old Bailey, the escaped from the most high security prison in the world, shooting a warder along the way, and then ran an active service unit for the most ruthless paramilitary organisation of its era in Europe, killing British Army personnel.

I mean, it is stock standard practice fmd.

 

[King Corey]

Sinn Fein aren't extremists in the same way Melbourne in 2009 weren't moving magnets out of position during 3/4 time huddles.

 

[Val Keating]

I was thinking Sinn Fein were basically the political arm of the IRA?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

While I would like to agree with everything you say. We currently have an Australian publisher, sitting in a high security British prison, awaiting extradition to a country he has never been too.
you have nations conspiring to keep him arbitrary detained and judges ignoring the law and obvious conflicts of interest.
all in the effort to suppress information flow to the public.

this is fascism...

His imprisonment is wrong and is very fascist-like.

National secret Acts, spying and intelligence agencies all have fascist (or police state) connotations. Sacrificing certain rights during wartime also have negative authoritarian connotations.

At the end of the day, we have an imperfect system that still gives us civil rights, free rational discourse, the right to call the nation's leader a complete flog without repercussions, free markets, property ownership, a relatively free media, great freedom of choice, free and fair elections, right to protest and free assembly, etc.

It is up to us (the people) to call out the bullshit (Assange) and keep the bastards (politicians) honest by voting them out and voicing our frustrations to our representatives. So far, I think we've been mostly successful, but with obvious areas of improvement.


Now, let me fade into the night and escape this dastardly thread.

 

[DesertRoo]

His imprisonment is wrong and is very fascist-like.

National secret Acts, spying and intelligence agencies all have fascist (or police state) connotations. Sacrificing certain rights during wartime also have negative authoritarian connotations.

At the end of the day, we have an imperfect system that still gives us civil rights, free rational discourse, the right to call the nation's leader a complete flog without repercussions, free markets, property ownership, a relatively free media, great freedom of choice, free and fair elections, right to protest and free assembly, etc.

It is up to us (the people) to call out the bullshit (Assange) and keep the bastards (politicians) honest by voting them out and voicing our frustrations to our representatives. So far, I think we've been mostly successful, but with obvious areas of improvement.


Now, let me fade into the night and escape this dastardly thread.

Yet in our surveillance state all of the above are being eroded before our very eyes, for instance in Victoria you have to have permission, to protest worker rights. It’s a mess.

while we argue about what is or isn’t an ism..

Australia: Targeting unlawful picketing in Victoria – new police powers and severe fines

In brief Unlawful picketing is generally designed to cause significant damage to the ‘target’ in a relatively short span of time. As such businesses need to react swiftly with a strateg…

hsfnotes.com

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Yet in our surveillance state all of the above are being eroded before our very eyes, for instance in Victoria you have to have permission, to protest worker rights. It’s a mess.

while we argue about what is or isn’t an ism..

Australia: Targeting unlawful picketing in Victoria – new police powers and severe fines

In brief Unlawful picketing is generally designed to cause significant damage to the ‘target’ in a relatively short span of time. As such businesses need to react swiftly with a strateg…

hsfnotes.com

Picketing restrictions are not new, neither are acts that permit surveillance of civilians (we’ve been doing the latter for decades as part of UKUSA).

I guess the issue with picketing is that it is considered an extreme action and classed as an invalid form of protest, not that I agree or disagree either way. We still have mass protests all the time without much drama, it’s only when extreme forms of protest is where the grey area comes in. Stuff like going onto people’s private land is a current one atm.

If you are truly concerned, then please talk to your local member.

 

[Mr_Nyah]

Glib ill-informed bullshit.

I guarantee you take for granted "Stalinist" policies that Bernie is proposing and would squeal if they were taken away.

You need to tone it down mate. The reason this thread is more enjoyable than the SRP board is that actual constructive discussion happens, rather than childish insults and talking down to people with different perspectives. In the last 3 pages you've laughed at a guy with depression, likened Trump to one of the worst dictators the world has ever seen, and then thrown insults at a well-respected poster who was engaging in a good-faith debate. Pull your head in, you're dragging the thread down.

 

[Del191229]

You need to tone it down mate. The reason this thread is more enjoyable than the SRP board is that actual constructive discussion happens, rather than childish insults and talking down to people with different perspectives. In the last 3 pages you've laughed at a guy with depression, likened Trump to one of the worst dictators the world has ever seen, and then thrown insults at a well-respected poster who was engaging in a good-faith debate. Pull your head in, you're dragging the thread down.

I pointed out Peterson's hypocrisy and expressed sympathy at going through benzo withdrawal.

As for Trump -



Yeah, he is a cut rate Mussolini.

And I didn't insult K4A, I said his post about Bernie = Stalin was glib bullshit, which it was.

He was NOT engaging in good faith debate with that.

And K4A quits the thread every few weeks anyway.

 

[Del191229]

I mean, if I'd been taken in by Peterson and his crap, I'd probably be thrown by recent events too.

 

[Mr_Nyah]

I pointed out Peterson's hypocrisy and expressed sympathy at going through benzo withdrawal.

As for Trump -



Yeah, he is a cut rate Mussolini.

And I didn't insult K4A, I said his post about Bernie = Stalin was glib bullshit, which it was.

He was NOT engaging in good faith debate with that.

And K4A quits the thread every few weeks anyway.

Bullcrap, and everyone knows it is mate. It was a snarky insult that was laughing at him. LtK engaged in an actual discussion with K4A - that was a proper discussion. Yours was just laughing at someone with depression.

I'm not sure what that is - Trump retweeting a Time magazine article on how the principles that saw Trump rise to power will outlast his presidential term? You're going to need a little more than that to say he's as bad as a guy that was responsible for the deaths of countless people.

Have you ever thought maybe he leaves the thread because people like you can't engage in good-faith discussion? His Stalin comparison was clearly a tongue in cheek poke at your ridiculous Trump comparison, you over-reacted because you knew you had no leg to stand on.

Anyway, I've watched you in this thread for years, you range between being vaguely tolerable towards others to downright hostile to anyone with a different opinion, but you're a BF celebrity so you get a free ride. I'm just going to go back to being a silent observer. Hopefully the mods can help keep you in check.

 

[Del191229]

I was thinking Sinn Fein were basically the political arm of the IRA?

100 per cent correct.

Here's a few of their current elected reps:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conor_Murphy (Was member of the South Armagh Brigade PIRA)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Maskey (PIRA member, survived assassination attempt by loyalists)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fra_McCann (PIRA memners)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Kelly (Mentioned earlier, just have a read of his military career)

They are not just so stock standard European social democrats.

And the current Tories ARE political extremists undertaking extremist actions.

 

[Del191229]

Anyway, I've watched you in this thread for years, you range between being vaguely tolerable towards others to downright hostile to anyone with a different opinion, but you're a BF celebrity so you get a free ride. I'm just going to go back to being a silent observer. Hopefully the mods can help keep you in check.

This is possibly the saddest thing I've ever read on the board.

 

[Del191229]

 

[Mr_Nyah]

This is possibly the saddest thing I've ever read on the board.

OK mate, congrats on the internet points. Keep being a jerk and making the board a worse place to read.

 

[Del191229]

OK mate, congrats on the internet points. Keep being a jerk and making the board a worse place to read.

Well, come on, give us your views on whether the Johnson Tory government is extremist? Or Sinn Fein lol.

Srs question - you've got Propfanol Peterson's book haven't you?

 

[Mr_Nyah]

Well, come on, give us your views on whether the Johnson Tory government is extremist? Or Sinn Fein lol.

Srs question - you've got Propfanol Peterson's book haven't you?

Don't own his book, have never listened to any of his talks, couldn't even tell you what he talks about, other than it apparently drives a certain type of individual with a certain political persuasion mad. But keep fighting that good fight by laughing at the misfortune of others - really reflects well on you mate

 

[Del191229]

Don't own his book, have never listened to any of his talks, couldn't even tell you what he talks about, other than it apparently drives a certain type of individual with a certain political persuasion mad. But keep fighting that good fight by laughing at the misfortune of others - really reflects well on you mate

You mean when I sympathised with him going through benzo withdrawal?

And he started using the benzos not for depression, but to deal with - according to his daughter - anxiety caused by a reaction to food. Given how much money he's made from crapping on about his bullshit all beef diet, that sounds fishy as to me, but anyway.

 

[Del191229]

Might make an offer and then only give him 60 per cent at settlement, I'm sure he'll understand.

 

[Tectonic]

Might make an offer and then only give him 60 per cent at settlement, I'm sure he'll understand.

This is my industry and it's a bloody difficult conversation to have, but it's long past time for change.

I don't think I blame George for underpaying as much as I do the culture of hospitality and the endlessly expanding number of dining establishments.
The union movement never really got into hospo, when I started out and even now there's an expectation that salaried workers must do at least 45 hours, going up to maybe 75 a week in the busy season.
This is everyone from the guys on the line to the head chefs, I can't speak to front of house though I have seen much the same just on a lesser scale there.
Wages have barely increased, places are still looking for head chefs at 55k a year, but at some places it's 90k. The assumption being those with higher wages work more and work harder. I've seen rampant alcoholism and drug abuse, I've fired guys for drinking on the job, and I've been at the back of the kitchen doing lines with head chefs or smoking joints in the change room.

We are at a point now where all the promising talent has bailed and the only applications received are foreign workers with no ambition beyond getting enough money to pay for citizenship. Nobody has skills and nobody wants to develop them so we are beginning to rely more and more on mass produced product to maintain consistency. Fine dining restaurants expect staff to work from 7am to 1am regularly and have turnover that looks like the ziebulls best JMac impression.

I'm copping shit from my boss because I refuse to work more than 42 hours and my labour costs are a bit high even though the venue still makes money. Produce costs more to buy and rent/costs of running a business are increasing every year but staff wages don't change. If you're wondering why your steak costs more now it's because the butcher charges more and we have to protect margins.
It's all a joke and a great display of unchecked greed. George and his ilk are a product of the system, as currently exploitation is the only way it works.

I have no idea what the solution is.

 

[Del191229]

This is my industry and it's a bloody difficult conversation to have, but it's long past time for change.

I don't think I blame George for underpaying as much as I do the culture of hospitality and the endlessly expanding number of dining establishments.
The union movement never really got into hospo, when I started out and even now there's an expectation that salaried workers must do at least 45 hours, going up to maybe 75 a week in the busy season.
This is everyone from the guys on the line to the head chefs, I can't speak to front of house though I have seen much the same just on a lesser scale there.
Wages have barely increased, places are still looking for head chefs at 55k a year, but at some places it's 90k. The assumption being those with higher wages work more and work harder. I've seen rampant alcoholism and drug abuse, I've fired guys for drinking on the job, and I've been at the back of the kitchen doing lines with head chefs or smoking joints in the change room.

We are at a point now where all the promising talent has bailed and the only applications received are foreign workers with no ambition beyond getting enough money to pay for citizenship. Nobody has skills and nobody wants to develop them so we are beginning to rely more and more on mass produced product to maintain consistency. Fine dining restaurants expect staff to work from 7am to 1am regularly and have turnover that looks like the ziebulls best JMac impression.

I'm copping shit from my boss because I refuse to work more than 42 hours and my labour costs are a bit high even though the venue still makes money. Produce costs more to buy and rent/costs of running a business are increasing every year but staff wages don't change. If you're wondering why your steak costs more now it's because the butcher charges more and we have to protect margins.
It's all a joke and a great display of unchecked greed. George and his ilk are a product of the system, as currently exploitation is the only way it works.

I have no idea what the solution is.

Yeah, underpaying staff isn't a bug, its a feature. It is how it works.

Standard practice.

 

[Tectonic]

Yeah, underpaying staff isn't a bug, its a feature. It is how it works.

Standard practice.

People are shocked that caombaris was ripping off his staff but it's literally everywhere, and management have come up with some very creative ways to disguise it in the last few years.
I know some people working for a large group that "doesn't allow their full time staff to do more than 38 hours" and a culture has developed there where the average working day according to the roster is an 11am start, 9pm finish with a 2 hour break.
In reality these guys have to show up at 9 or 10am, finish at 11pm and their break is spent doing paperwork.