Play Nice Random Chat Thread IV

[Tectonic]

You'd wanna check yourself first.

The dangerous aspect is the measured outrage for anyone who doesn't exhibit the blind acceptance that is placed upon such issues.

 

[Mr_Nyah]

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I spent far too long reading the first half of that trying to get the phrasing right in my head before realising what it was

 

[Only Forwards]

Ok, I’m not going to argue with that.

What would be the changes you would make to law enforcement?

Re education for existing and raising the bar for entry with more comprehensive education at the outset.

However to do that you'd need people to want action and I doubt a lot in power do.

It is a symptom that has long tenticles into a deeply flawed governing structure that is geared toward maintaining power for those who have it rather than change for good towards those who don't.

Again, I'm glad I live here.

 

[the big lebowski]

Re education for existing and raising the bar for entry with more comprehensive education at the outset.

However to do that you'd need people to want action and I doubt a lot in power do.

It is a symptom that has long tenticles into a deeply flawed governing structure that is geared toward maintaining power for those who have it rather than change for good towards those who don't.

Again, I'm glad I live here.

I think a clear and impartial review system would be the most appropriate thing for cases that warrant it. Sometimes cops are justified in killing someone, sometimes they aren’t, sometimes it’s an accident.

If the population is confident these are being reviewed legitimately then surely that would appease them.

 

[Only Forwards]

I think a clear and impartial review system would be the most appropriate thing for cases that warrant it. Sometimes cops are justified in killing someone, sometimes they aren’t, sometimes it’s an accident.

If the population is confident these are being reviewed legitimately then surely that would appease them.

Problem being to weed out bad cops, people have to die.

I mean sure it is important but this is a multi layered nuanced problem with with no one fix and all fixes would have political implications in a system where there are a lot of people invested in keeping the status quo.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Snake_Baker]

Not going to lie, I have no idea what you mean

Why can't people challenge views about hot social issues without attracting generic insults and dismissal?

There's telephone book levels of bullshit that is digested as assumed fact when it comes to many aspects of social issues.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Lying is their first language.

This is what comes from their status as police being ethically beyond reproach.

They also know what can't be proven, didn't happen, and act accordingly. It's all excused under the premise of "the greater good".

 

[Val Keating]

Why can't people challenge views about hot social issues without attracting generic insults and dismissal?

There's telephone book levels of bullshit that is digested as assumed fact when it comes to many aspects of social issues.

I feel like you’re dancing around the point you’re trying to make. Lay it out for me please. What point are you making?

 

[Snake_Baker]

Mexico. Naturally.

 

[Val Keating]

Mexico. Naturally.

In Mexico do the politicians threaten to call in the Cartels instead of the military on the protesters?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Re education for existing and raising the bar for entry with more comprehensive education at the outset.

However to do that you'd need people to want action and I doubt a lot in power do.

It is a symptom that has long tenticles into a deeply flawed governing structure that is geared toward maintaining power for those who have it rather than change for good towards those who don't.

Again, I'm glad I live here.

Poor training and weeding out the bad eggs are the two biggest issues in western policy. A lot of the bad eggs either don’t get screened early or develop ptsd, which can really screw decision making. PTSD is a huge issue for the police due. Training needs to be more comprehensive and consistent, as does accountability.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I have largely refrained from commenting in this thread on the recent issues as I know it’s not the most popular atm, but I thought I’ll throw in my two cents.

Spoiler

Firstly, what happened to Floyd and other victims of police brutality and racism is nothing short of disgusting. The issue isn’t systemic racism, but a few really bad eggs, systematic problems with accountability and monitoring levels and undertrained cops with guns. Systematic racism would reflect much high rates of police killing people of certain ethnicities in unwarranted circumstances, but the stats and circumstances of most deaths don’t warrant the charge of systemic racism. In terms of statistical proportion, the stats are skewed by the high involvement of African Americans in violent crimes and the involvement of guns. In addition to the stats don’t reflect the unique circumstances of each case, ie shootouts, life threatening situations, etc. Racism is at the lower end of things in this respect.

It’s a little different in Australia, with the issue of custody deaths rearing its head recently. Pre-existing health problems, suicide and drugs being the dominate factors. Poor monitoring has actually been one of the main culprits for all prisoners. https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/sb/sb17


Outside the police bubble for the moment, the US stats don’t really support the charge of widespread systemic racial killings. Sadly, intra-ethnic violence dominate the US stats. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

I am sure there are others that can find better crime stats than what I can find on my phone.

All stats aside, racism is and will always be a problem. Education and calling out legitimate racism is important to keeping racism to its barest levels. Every life matters, and despite what critical race theorists think, it isn’t racist to say so and doesn’t detract from the issues facing black communities. Only together can we work together to solve society’s ills, rather than turn to people who seek to divide us through fuelling hatred and using concepts like racial privilege.

I’m sure the ANTIFA and Trump stuff has been covered, so I’ll leave that alone. All I can say is, that the riots have been horrible and counterproductive by killing people and ruining thousands of businesses and support service facilities. Considering the sheer support for Floyd, I am more comfortable than ever to say we don’t live in an inherently evil or racist society that some think.

Now back into exile I must go.

 

[Kangas_11]

Another senior former military officer has denounced President Donald Trump's threat this week to use troops to suppress violent protests in the US.

The ex-Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman, Gen Martin Dempsey, told National Public Radio that Mr Trump's remarks were "very troubling" and "dangerous".

Mr Trump's current and former defence secretaries have also spoken out.


"The idea that the president would take charge of the situation using the military was troubling to me," said Gen Dempsey in rare public remarks on Thursday.

"The idea that the military would be called in to dominate and to suppress what, for the most part, were peaceful protests - admittedly, where some had opportunistically turned them violent - and that the military would somehow come in and calm that situation was very dangerous to me," he added.

bbc.com

This is a shining example of just how idiotic Trump is.

The US military has been targeting lower socio-economic groups of America for decades. It's the classic "come enlist in the army, it's guaranteed income, housing and employment. Or stay where you are, where you have no chance of college and limited job opportunities".

These same lower socio-economic groups are the ones that a majority of the BLM movement has originated from. The chiefs of staff know how stupid an idea it is to send troops into the places just like where they grew up and tell them to suppress people just like them.

 

[goalieboy82]

here is a random thought:
if jimmy crack corn and i don't care why does he keep doing it.

 

[Ry009]

All stats aside, racism is and will always be a problem. Education and calling out legitimate racism is important to keeping racism to its barest levels. Every life matters, and despite what critical race theorists think, it isn’t racist to say so and doesn’t detract from the issues facing black communities. Only together can we work together to solve society’s ills, rather than turn to people who seek to divide us through fuelling hatred and using concepts like racial privilege.

As always mate, a measured and considered post. While I think we would mostly have differing views on various topics, I think that's a good thing. If we all think the same, then we're robots and life almost losing meaning. A good society has differing views and like politics (should do) keep views in check.

I know it's not a popular view with some people of certain political ideologies, but political leaders MUST have some level of tact and diplomacy.

The media have really dropped the ball in the last few years. While I still believe that some politicians around the world should be condemned for things they've said and done, the media have latched onto things and fanned the flames of hatred on certain issues.

With the advent of social media, media becoming a commercial product and no longer being a sevrice, people having the interwebs on their phone....people have lost the ability to critically think, as well as having the ability to take on opposing views. Every issue is boiled down to a binary discussion. Like a lot of things in the news, it's much more than that.

It's why the SRP board is no better than a gameplay thread on the main board.

Just on your point I've quoted (hope you don't mind me taking out of spoiler tags) just like incompetent policeman, it begins with education. I'm not sure what's happening with schools these days but if it isn't, it needs to start there and then be supported by the parents.

Don't think I've ever seen a case of racism called out and someone genuinely take it on board.

Society isn't stuffed but we need to make more of an effort to be educated on certain issues. Politicians certainly aren't going to do it, social media goes unchecked and the news obviously will continue to pick their sides.

Some points I don't agree with, but some great points raised too mate. Please keep posting in the thread.

 

[goalieboy82]

with all of this going on:

 

[goalieboy82]

this came to mind today (for some reason)

 

[Snake_Baker]

 

[Engimal v3]

We should have a politics/news thread.

 

[goalieboy82]

We should have a politics/news thread.

yes and no to that (will have get the mods to say yes and watch over it or it becomes this)

 

[Snake_Baker]

4Chan troll scores another moron

 

[Snake_Baker]

Not black, not white...................POOR

 

[Snake_Baker]

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Multiple fakes buzzing around right wing and left wing internet yesterday and this morning. That red shirt guy was not an undercover cop, no women are shaving their head and that Star Wars music guy is from France