Play Nice Random Chat Thread IV

[Snake_Baker]

Multiple fakes buzzing around right wing and left wing internet yesterday and this morning. That red shirt guy was not an undercover cop, no women are shaving their head and that Star Wars music guy is from France

Yeah....................because you say so.

 

[Snake_Baker]

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Multiple fakes buzzing around right wing and left wing internet yesterday and this morning. That red shirt guy was not an undercover cop, no women are shaving their head and that Star Wars music guy is from France

Misinformation getting bad. Some lefty sites pictures claiming Blackwater patrolling the streets. Not true at this stage.Training pics. Someone said raw story shared but I can’t see that.Emma Watson and others shaving their heads for the protests. Nope all pics from years before.edit: reddit or 4chan fake fake

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

The stories of private military being hired has no factual basis at this stage. Has anyone seen evidence?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

As always mate, a measured and considered post. While I think we would mostly have differing views on various topics, I think that's a good thing. If we all think the same, then we're robots and life almost losing meaning. A good society has differing views and like politics (should do) keep views in check.

I know it's not a popular view with some people of certain political ideologies, but political leaders MUST have some level of tact and diplomacy.

The media have really dropped the ball in the last few years. While I still believe that some politicians around the world should be condemned for things they've said and done, the media have latched onto things and fanned the flames of hatred on certain issues.

With the advent of social media, media becoming a commercial product and no longer being a sevrice, people having the interwebs on their phone....people have lost the ability to critically think, as well as having the ability to take on opposing views. Every issue is boiled down to a binary discussion. Like a lot of things in the news, it's much more than that.

It's why the SRP board is no better than a gameplay thread on the main board.

Just on your point I've quoted (hope you don't mind me taking out of spoiler tags) just like incompetent policeman, it begins with education. I'm not sure what's happening with schools these days but if it isn't, it needs to start there and then be supported by the parents.

Don't think I've ever seen a case of racism called out and someone genuinely take it on board.

Society isn't stuffed but we need to make more of an effort to be educated on certain issues. Politicians certainly aren't going to do it, social media goes unchecked and the news obviously will continue to pick their sides.

Some points I don't agree with, but some great points raised too mate. Please keep posting in the thread.

Thanks mate, I really do agree about the education part in regards to racism. We are getting better with teaching Aboriginal history, but the analysis of tying that history to modern issues is lacking.

Talking at home is an important point. Race and racism has always been an uncomfortable issue not because people are racist, but it isn’t a pleasant thing to talk about. My blood always curls when I watch movies depicting historical eras and they use racist terms, with 12 years a slave being one. I fear that many people also feel uncomfortable to talk about race out of fear of being labelled something, but that’s another discussion.

That’s fine to disagree with some of my points and I wasn’t happy with the stats stuff as I feel it does a disservice to those that have died. Same with the causes section. If I was more willing, I would have go onto a socioeconomic critique of it all.

I guess my overall point is that things are not as bad as they seem, but there’s still work to do.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Anti-racism is the new racism

 

[Ry009]

Thanks mate, I really do agree about the education part in regards to racism. We are getting better with teaching Aboriginal history, but the analysis of tying that history to modern issues is lacking.

That’s fine to disagree with some of my points and I wasn’t happy with the stats stuff as I feel it does a disservice to those that have died. Same with the causes section. If I was more willing, I would have go onto a socioeconomic critique of it all.

I guess my overall point is that things are not as bad as they seem, but there’s still work to do.

Absolutely, and especially your last point. Rhetoric of my post wasn't directed at you, you're actually one of the few who generally go to pains to give people facts to think about.

I suppose the conversation should start instead of "Why are things shit at the moment?", but "what can we do to make things better?".

 

[Snake_Baker]

I suppose the conversation should start instead of "Why are things shit at the moment?", but "what can we do to make things better?".

Everything the SJW's want.

Without question.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

This is a shining example of just how idiotic Trump is.

The US military has been targeting lower socio-economic groups of America for decades. It's the classic "come enlist in the army, it's guaranteed income, housing and employment. Or stay where you are, where you have no chance of college and limited job opportunities".

These same lower socio-economic groups are the ones that a majority of the BLM movement has originated from. The chiefs of staff know how stupid an idea it is to send troops into the places just like where they grew up and tell them to suppress people just like them.

In fairness to the orange twit, he’s under pressure from all his own base to restore law and order, and he was criticised for not doing it earlier.

If he was a study of history, then he would have known not to send in local troops, but out of state or recently returned overseas troops. But even then, that doesn’t always work, ie Cossacks during the Russian Revolution in Petrograd (St. Petersburg).

 

[Ry009]

Everything the SJW's want.

Without question.

Mate, I'm not going down the path of labels or identity politics. Recent issues are much more nuanced and layered than a simple right vs left debate. It's a lazy, boring, and most importantly tiring debate that goes nowhere that ends up in pointless shitfights.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Absolutely, and especially your last point. Rhetoric of my post wasn't directed at you, you're actually one of the few who generally go to pains to give people facts to think about.

I suppose the conversation should start instead of "Why are things shit at the moment?", but "what can we do to make things better?".

A lot of it comes back to socioeconomic roots and providing the necessary services that every person needs. For example, public education, healthcare, sanitation, housing, etc. It’s the same in the US. A lot of the issues stem back from socioeconomic problems from 30 years of ineffectual policy. We find what’s going wrong with these policies aimed at uplifting communities, then we find the problem.

 

[Ry009]

A lot of it comes back to socioeconomic roots and providing the necessary services that every person needs. For example, public education, healthcare, sanitation, housing, etc. It’s the same in the US. A lot of the issues stem back from socioeconomic problems from 30 years of ineffectual policy. We find what’s going wrong with these policies aimed at uplifting communities, then we find the problem.

Agree 1100%.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Look out..............the "master" "anti-racists" are on the rise now!!!

How long until we have whites & Jews literally portrayed as rats? A week? A month?

 

[Snake_Baker]

Mate, I'm not going down the path of labels or identity politics.

Good luck navigating the world in 2020 then.

Recent issues are much more nuanced and layered than a simple right vs left debate. It's a lazy, boring, and most importantly tiring debate that goes nowhere that ends up in pointless shitfights.

This is exactly my same point.

 

[Val Keating]

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Anti-racism is the new racism

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If this crisis has done anything good, it has exposed the far right and far left agitators and their insidious ideologies. If we can reduce critical race theory and identity politics to a state of ridicule, then we can have a serious, adult and rational conversation about long standing issues.

 

[Snake_Baker]

If this crisis has done anything good, it has exposed the far right and far left agitators and their insidious ideologies. If we can reduce critical race theory and identity politics to a state of ridicule, then we can have a serious, adult and rational conversation about long standing issues.

I endorse this post 100%.

Identity politics is an emotionally driven force that has no destination. It's is so obviously destined to fail that I would not be the slightest bit surprised to find out one day that it was actually dreamed up in some "conservative" think tank (Tavistock, etc.) in order to drive a mile wide wedge through working class politics.

 

[Mr_Nyah]

I have largely refrained from commenting in this thread on the recent issues as I know it’s not the most popular atm, but I thought I’ll throw in my two cents.

Spoiler

Firstly, what happened to Floyd and other victims of police brutality and racism is nothing short of disgusting. The issue isn’t systemic racism, but a few really bad eggs, systematic problems with accountability and monitoring levels and undertrained cops with guns. Systematic racism would reflect much high rates of police killing people of certain ethnicities in unwarranted circumstances, but the stats and circumstances of most deaths don’t warrant the charge of systemic racism. In terms of statistical proportion, the stats are skewed by the high involvement of African Americans in violent crimes and the involvement of guns. In addition to the stats don’t reflect the unique circumstances of each case, ie shootouts, life threatening situations, etc. Racism is at the lower end of things in this respect.

It’s a little different in Australia, with the issue of custody deaths rearing its head recently. Pre-existing health problems, suicide and drugs being the dominate factors. Poor monitoring has actually been one of the main culprits for all prisoners. https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/sb/sb17


Outside the police bubble for the moment, the US stats don’t really support the charge of widespread systemic racial killings. Sadly, intra-ethnic violence dominate the US stats. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

I am sure there are others that can find better crime stats than what I can find on my phone.

All stats aside, racism is and will always be a problem. Education and calling out legitimate racism is important to keeping racism to its barest levels. Every life matters, and despite what critical race theorists think, it isn’t racist to say so and doesn’t detract from the issues facing black communities. Only together can we work together to solve society’s ills, rather than turn to people who seek to divide us through fuelling hatred and using concepts like racial privilege.

I’m sure the ANTIFA and Trump stuff has been covered, so I’ll leave that alone. All I can say is, that the riots have been horrible and counterproductive by killing people and ruining thousands of businesses and support service facilities. Considering the sheer support for Floyd, I am more comfortable than ever to say we don’t live in an inherently evil or racist society that some think.

Now back into exile I must go.

Please post more mate, your balanced perspective is sorely missed in this thread.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

A lot of it comes back to socioeconomic roots and providing the necessary services that every person needs. For example, public education, healthcare, sanitation, housing, etc. It’s the same in the US. A lot of the issues stem back from socioeconomic problems from 30 years of ineffectual policy. We find what’s going wrong with these policies aimed at uplifting communities, then we find the problem.

True. It doesn’t refute this to also point out systemic racism that disproportionately impacts blacks.

A while ago white suburban residents in Dallas I believe(could be any large urban city though) prevented the extension of public transport routes which would connect them to the largely black metro areas. White fear. In segregated cities, class and race intersects.

 

[Val Keating]

Some lunatic in Texas with a chainsaw and a cop just randomly firing rubber bullets. Madness

 

[Val Keating]

With huge unemployment numbers and new cases of police brutality every day these protests won’t stop. If they want them to stop they need to lift the curfew, let people protest and direct the police to only go after looters. The president is too scared of looking weak to do that though, he’d rather see protesting continue then look weak. Coward

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

With huge unemployment numbers and new cases of police brutality every day these protests won’t stop. If they want them to stop they need to lift the curfew, let people protest and direct the police to only go after looters. The president is too scared of looking weak to do that though, he’d rather see protesting continue then look weak. Coward

If only it was that simple.

A little more complicated than that. The looters have often integrated with the protests and has featured varied numbers of criminals, BLM, antifa and opportunists, making it difficult to differentiate from protesters and looters. Tensions are razzled at the moment, not just because of what happened to Floyd, but injuries to protestors and police. Some police and ex police members have died, police horses have been assaulted and people are calling for the police to abolished. To compound everything, the police have often been outnumbered in high stress situations with projectiles being thrown at them and many of them possess limited training and experience to cope with the sheer scale of everything going on. Nuance has flown out the window.

 

[Val Keating]

If only it was that simple.

A little more complicated than that. The looters have often integrated with the protests and has featured criminals, BLM, antifa and opportunists

The police are focusing on the protesters now because they have to enforce the curfew. Bringing in the curfew and making the protests an unlawful assembly is just Trump playing to his base.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

The police are focusing on the protesters now because they have to enforce the curfew. Bringing in the curfew and making the protests an unlawful assembly is just Trump playing to his base.

To an extent, but it also has to do with a blanket approach as the looters are hiding amongst the protestors, therefore the police can’t always get to the looters. A form of collective action. Definitely not ideal, but it’s standard police practice during mass protests and looting

 

[Snake_Baker]

Does skin color go out the window with this one?

Do SJW's have an "Uncle Tom" clause in their dogma?