Play Nice Random Chat Thread IV

[Val Keating]

To an extent, but it also has to do with a blanket approach as the looters are hiding amongst the protestors, therefore the police can’t always get to the looters. A form of collective action. Definitely not ideal, but it’s standard police practice during mass protests and looting

Standard practice doesn’t apply. This is not a standard time. They’re losing authority over there. I watched a video the other day of a police officer grabbing a woman’s breast, she broke free so they beat her with battens. There’s new videos of police brutality every single day and that’s just reinforces the protestors mindset.

What they’re doing now won’t work. It will get worse if they continue down this path. Shit, it’s starting to move global. If Trumps not careful he’ll lose the police backing, there’s already murmurs they’re not happy with what they’re being forced to do.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Does skin color go out the window with this one?

Do SJW's have an "Uncle Tom" clause in their dogma?

A bunch of mostly Caucasian males protesting for BLM and then assaulting (harassing is probably a better word) an African American policeman.

What a weird world.

 

[Del191229]

If only it was that simple.

A little more complicated than that. The looters have often integrated with the protests and has featured varied numbers of criminals, BLM, antifa and opportunists, making it difficult to differentiate from protesters and looters. Tensions are razzled at the moment, not just because of what happened to Floyd, but injuries to protestors and police. Some police and ex police members have died, police horses have been assaulted and people are calling for the police to abolished. To compound everything, the police have often been outnumbered in high stress situations with projectiles being thrown at them and many of them possess limited training and experience to cope with the sheer scale of everything going on. Nuance has flown out the window.

Oh no, not police horses being assaulted.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Standard practice doesn’t apply. This is not a standard time. They’re losing authority over there. I watched a video the other day of a police officer grabbing a woman’s breast, she broke free so they beat her with battens. There’s new videos of police brutality every single day and that’s just reinforces the protestors mindset.

What they’re doing now won’t work. It will get worse if they continue down this path. Shit, it’s starting to move global. If Trumps not careful he’ll lose the police backing, there’s already murmurs they’re not happy with what they’re being forced to do.

Their actions are protected by LAWS, that existed long before Trump got there!!!

Trees, forest, etc.

The state itself is the enemy, not this month's controller!!!

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

To an extent, but it also has to do with a blanket approach as the looters are hiding amongst the protestors, therefore the police can’t always get to the looters. A form of collective action. Definitely not ideal, but it’s standard police practice during mass protests and looting

Stop thinking of them as a military.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Standard practice doesn’t apply. This is not a standard time. They’re losing authority over there. I watched a video the other day of a police officer grabbing a woman’s breast, she broke free so they beat her with battens. There’s new videos of police brutality every single day and that’s just reinforces the protestors mindset.

What they’re doing now won’t work. It will get worse if they continue down this path. Shit, it’s starting to move global. If Trumps not careful he’ll lose the police backing, there’s already murmurs they’re not happy with what they’re being forced to do.

We’ll see in the coming weeks. Murmurs are commonplace, mass police desertion isn’t.

 

[Del191229]

The whole state? Even the bits that provide education to people.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Stop thinking of them as a military.

That is EXACTLY what they are!!! The internal military arm of THE STATE!!!

It doesn't sit well with you because you are a rabid statist yourself!

 

[Del191229]

We’ll see in the coming weeks. Murmurs are commonplace, mass police desertion isn’t.

20 per cent of US cops are military vets. They've got nowhere else to go.

 

[Del191229]

That is EXACTLY what the are!!! The internal military arm of THE STATE!!!

It doesn't sit well with you because you are a rabid statist yourself!

Completely agree. They're there to enforce the diktat of established economic and political power.

And given our politics no longer turns on the key issues of economic distribution - Capital always wins - then product differentiation must be found to maintain the charade.

That product differentiation is identity politics. First and most successfully deployed by the right on the white working classes to get them to vote against their own economic interests.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Stop thinking of them as a military.

I’m not. Extreme blanket clearing approaches are adopted when police have sufficient number superiority over protestors and the protest has violent elements. Ie, advancing in lines.

 

[Snake_Baker]

There is only one word for this, and that is superb.

Cartoon political commentary at its very best.

 

[Del191229]

Case in point.

White working class voted for this because those who control the levers convinced them that "SJWs" were worse.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I’m not. Extreme blanket clearing approaches are adopted when police have sufficient number superiority over protestors and the protest has violent elements. Ie, advancing in lines.

I disagree with simpkinbythebay slightly on this one. The cops can act as an internal military and ultimately protect economic power; however they have skills and mediative functions that military don’t. Here, at least. But we don’t have the same amount of military types.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Case in point.

White working class voted for this because those who control the levers convinced them that "SJWs" were worse.

Nobody loves the spectre of SJWs more than neo liberal capitalism. It gives them a cultural war footing that can be played out in emotive tabloid media.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I disagree with simpkinbythebay slightly on this one. The cops can act as an internal military and ultimately protect economic power; however they have skills and mediative functions that military don’t.

REALLY?!

You let me know when opposition to state law doesn't ultimately end in force and I will believe you!!!!!

You're so ****ing naive! A good heart, but very naive.

 

[Val Keating]

Is this the biggest movement the world has seen or would that still be the anti war movement of the 60’s & 70’s?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

20 per cent of US cops are military vets. They've got nowhere else to go.

Good point.

 

[Val Keating]

Old mate not happy he’s been cucked by the mayor of D.C

 

[Val Keating]

For context

 

[Engimal v3]

I disagree with simpkinbythebay slightly on this one. The cops can act as an internal military and ultimately protect economic power; however they have skills and mediative functions that military don’t. Here, at least. But we don’t have the same amount of military types.

Which is interesting, because we actually have a very similar percentage of officers to the USA from what I can find online (0.25% of population are law enforcement in Australia compared to 0.20% in USA). I would have thought it'd be much higher there from the over-militarisation. As mentioned above though:

20 per cent of US cops are military vets. They've got nowhere else to go.

This is probably the natural reaction to being a country focused on being a military superpower. All those vets have to do something afterwards for the rest of their lives.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I disagree with simpkinbythebay slightly on this one. The cops can act as an internal military and ultimately protect economic power; however they have skills and mediative functions that military don’t. Here, at least. But we don’t have the same amount of military types.

Definitely agree, the police are far more tactful because they have to be mediators. That trust has been broken and brutality has ensued. Who the police truly work for I will leave to SB and SLF to determine. I’m not going to feature in another class warfare debate again.

 

[Del191229]

I disagree with simpkinbythebay slightly on this one. The cops can act as an internal military and ultimately protect economic power; however they have skills and mediative functions that military don’t. Here, at least. But we don’t have the same amount of military types.

They're as bad here with their complete and utter abandonment of any idea that they police with consent.

We're all just convicts to be managed to them. The law isn't an independent arbiter to them.

They are the law. Which is why they corrupted the entire justice system in Victoria to save face when some pissant drug dealers had a blue in the 00s.

 

[Val Keating]

Their actions are protected by LAWS, that existed long before Trump got there!!!

Trees, forest, etc.

The state itself is the enemy, not this month's controller!!!

Agree with that but he’s at the wheel at the moment.

 

[Del191229]

Nobody loves the spectre of SJWs more than neo liberal capitalism. It gives them a cultural war footing that can be played out in emotive tabloid media.

Exactly. They use the social media dopamine addiction machine to make people angry every morning as soon as they check their phones.

Hence every morning Snake blusters in here full of righteous anger,posting the things he's seen that make him angry, brain coursing with dopamine.

Blissfully unaware he's just another footsoldier for the establishmd forces of capital.