Play Nice Random Chat Thread IV

[andana]

WISCONSIN, United States: A high-profile lawyer representing the 17-year-old shooter charged with killing two protesters and wounding another during demonstrations on the streets of Kenosha, Wisconsin said on Friday (Aug 28) that his client had acted in self-defense.

Atlanta-based attorney Lin Wood said video footage of the altercation would vindicate Kyle Rittenhouse despite what he described as misinformation being spread by the media.


"Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self-defense. Murder charges are factually unsupportable. An egregious miscarriage of justice is occurring with respect to this 17-year old boy," Wood said on Twitter.

Rittenhouse, who prosecutors say travelled 30 miles to Kenosha from his home in Antioch, Illinois before the shooting at about 11.45pm on Tuesday, is charged with six criminal counts, including homicide and attempted homicide.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

As a finance nerd, can I just point out that the maths is correct ($0.93 on deposit for 1,000 years at 2.25% p.a. = $4.283b)

 

[DesertRoo]

'Black Panther' star Chadwick Boseman dies of cancer at 43

Actor Chadwick Boseman, who played Black icons Jackie Robinson and James Brown before finding fame as the regal Black Panther in the Marvel movies, has died of cancer.

abc7chicago.com

wow so soon..

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

WTF.

 

[Tas]

 

[Snake_Baker]

WISCONSIN, United States: A high-profile lawyer representing the 17-year-old shooter charged with killing two protesters and wounding another during demonstrations on the streets of Kenosha, Wisconsin said on Friday (Aug 28) that his client had acted in self-defense.

Atlanta-based attorney Lin Wood said video footage of the altercation would vindicate Kyle Rittenhouse despite what he described as misinformation being spread by the media.


"Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self-defense. Murder charges are factually unsupportable. An egregious miscarriage of justice is occurring with respect to this 17-year old boy," Wood said on Twitter.

Rittenhouse, who prosecutors say travelled 30 miles to Kenosha from his home in Antioch, Illinois before the shooting at about 11.45pm on Tuesday, is charged with six criminal counts, including homicide and attempted homicide.

Well, there you go.

Now he has to survive the political lynch mob, and weak accommodating politicians.

 

[Hojuman]

Kid just coudda stayed home and not shot anybody.

Easier option.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Kid just coudda stayed home and not shot anybody.

Easier option.

The same applies to the idiots chasing him, yes?

 

[Hojuman]

The same applies to the idiots chasing him, yes?

Before or after he shot people ?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Snake you’re ****ing cooked.

 

[ferball]

You know what they would do.

They would execute the Gladiators, reimburse their owners, then piss off to war with the Parthians to restock the treasury.

Problem solved

South China Sea anyone?

The Romans had it worked out tho. ONly the elite were citizens, all the slaves had no rights. In our society they (we?) think we do.

 

[ferball]

Most of you would be familiar with Jocko Willink. He talked about how little training the cops actually recently on JRE, it was actually ridiculous how little extra training they do. He thinks that a minimum of 1/5th of their shift should be spent on training like de-escalation, hand to hand combat etc. It would go along way to helping solve the problem instead of just pulling out their sidearm every single time to try and gain control. It basically leaves them nowhere to go except shoot if the person still doesn’t comply.

There is a great article in one of these random threads by an ex CIA character who became a cop after serving in AfPak after 9/11 saving a lot of very similar things. SLF posted it before he became that seagull movie maker....

 

[Sopwiths North]

what were our greatest speeches?

I don't really know krakouers, because I'm Canadian!

But for Canadian speeches, this young girl deserves kudos for getting up there in front of all those people and talking about the plight of missing and murdered Indigenous women in Canada:




Also, Mumilaaq (Trina) Qaqqaq, one of Canada's youngest MP's - representative for Nunavut, the northernmost Territory - has been an inspiration to watch over the last couple of years. She had zero political experience going in to it, but she's fast become one of the clearest voices here for northern Indigenous peoples.





There's more famous Canadian orators, of course, but these are 2 you won't have already heard, and plus, they make me feel hopeful for the future.


What I love most about MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech is the part about "meeting physical force with soul force". We're seeing it right now.

 

[ferball]

Who gives a **** if Trump gets reelected?

This started when Obama was elected and frankly most other people protesting know it doesn't matter whichever unto gets in the cops will keep doing this shit.

You keep saying the system is broken but when people actually act on that broken system, by burning shit down (cos that us all you have at that point) you start posting pro establishment w***er talk. Nothing has changed and people have had enough.

 

[ferball]

Which is exactly why all this is moot without the full context of the situations that have occurred.

No it isn't. People have had enough so it doesn't matter what the circumstances are. They have no trust in law enforcement and no faith in the legitimacy of government.

Who gives a **** about the full context of this or that incident when its only a matter of time before the cops murder someone and get away with it.

Again.

Ask yourself this.

How many black people protesting have had interactions with the cops, criminal or not?

How many felt safe, as in their lives weren't in immediate danger do you reckon?

How many dealt with arseh*le cops and wondered if they were gonna get shot whatever happened? People have been shot in the back, in cuffs while on the ground in the US. And how many of those heard some prick tell them "go on just give me an excuse" or wtte? (Even if that cop had no intention of behaving violently, just wanted to reassertion their authority.)

These riots aren't happening in a vacuum cos someone heard something on the news and had a bad day and a headache.

 

[DesertRoo]

Who gives a fu** if Trump gets reelected?

This started when Obama was elected and frankly most other people protesting know it doesn't matter whichever unto gets in the cops will keep doing this sh*t.

You keep saying the system is broken but when people actually act on that broken system, by burning sh*t down (cos that us all you have at that point) you start posting pro establishment w***er talk. Nothing has changed and people have had enough.

Trump will get elected because he still has the other half fooled.
the democrats have lost legitimacy, they need people to get off the couch and vote, yet they’ve got protests in Atlanta that are trying to break into CNN screaming ‘CNN sucks and fake news’... this isn’t trump supporters doing it.
they’re still stuck in 2016 and never tried to appease their base after the Bernie thing.

 

[ferball]

I wont link the video because it is too graphic, but there is a video of two police who tasered a man in the usa and he proceeded to walk his way to his car, open the door while the police were yelling instructions to him with their guns drawn. They didn't shoot. The man pulled a gun out of the car and shot both police officers.

If you ignore instructions from police officers, there is a high probability you are going to get hurt bad or die if they think their life is going to be at risk.

We can and should be critical of police for using excessive force, but I think if anyone critical of police had to perform that job and had to witness a fairly high number of police officers shot and killed doing their job, you would find your attitudes would probably shift due to a desire to not die. Everyone wants to be able to go home to their families.

I think what is in dire need is to have education about what is expected of you when you interact with police, regardless how innocent you know yourself to be. In almost every incident, there is a breakdown between what police are instructing people to do and how the public reacts. Sometimes they are getting yelled at by different police and saying different things so there also needs to be restraint from police as people sometimes panic in those high stress scenarios.

We do not have anywhere near the same type of incidents as the US has and a lot of that is people generally do what police instruct them to do. We also do not have the same type of proliferation of guns.

I don't really care.

Don't become a cop if you don't want a dangerous job. If you are too scared to do it properly you shouldn't be doing it.

I also think you have a dangerously authoritarian attitude to this.

See the italic bit? The police don't have the right or authority to tell you to do whatever the hell they want. If police are trying to enforce a behaviour that you know violates your rights why should you put up with it? There are cases in the US where people have used guns in self defence (as a legal excuse) in these circumstances and have been vindicated in court.

Those two had ample opportunity to physically subdue that guy but they chose not to and hid behind their guns instead. Now maybe they needed more training in unarmed combat but they still shot someone in the back.

It's ironic that the second amendment exists for these very situations and in places where organisations like the Huey P Newton gun club exist this sort of shit doesnt seem to happen.

 

[ferball]

im honestly surprised people think the rational thing is going to happen here...

I thought of this video straight away.

 

[ferball]

It looks like the happy meal of racism statements.

You're the happy meal of political statements so you'd know.

 

[ferball]

Why wouldn't it?

He's made a claim, the onus is on you to disprove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

Were the owners of the property his relatives? Has he been employed? Did some political group get him there?

If he's an assasin then he's the dumbest one that ever lived going by that clip, and to draw on another caricature for the sake of balance an "Antifa" kick in the head/belt in the head with a bat, can kill you just as good as an AR 15. In fact, the AR15 is a military rifle that is made to wound, not necessarily kill.

Let's establish the how & why before imagining convenient conclusions.

The onus is on the investigators to disprove it isn't it? SDS is just expressing his opinion like you. Btw the original AR 15 had to be capable of penetrating a military helmet at half a kilometre. It wasn't designed to wound or kill, just deliver a particular amount of force as part of a units fire power. It's a high velocity round that actually has a higher probability of causing death from shock (from an otherwise non fatal wound) than larger rounds like NATO .308/7.62mm. At least according to someone I knew.

 

[ferball]

So in criminal court you require motive.
do you think his motive was to go and kill a couple of protestors, in his mind looters?

or did he clearly state he was there protecting people and property.

so we’ve downgraded from murder to manslaughter.
Next part, he was openly carrying a weapon and was moving away from people attacking him. They’ll claim self defence against looters.
any decent lawyer in America will be able to pick a jury which will agree with the above.

As I said previous, I’m not arguing wrong or right here because no kid should have access to an AR-15.
but reality is he’ll walk and they’ll be riots again.

One social media post expressing a desire to shoot black people, lefties or protestors will be enough to establish motive with a good lawyer.

 

[ferball]

Young blokes dont need to go syria to get radicalised any more.

It's been like that in the us for years.

 

[ferball]

There are legal issues I think. Will write about it in the morning here as it's pass midnight.

Does it have to do with state rights and jurisdictions and crossing a state line potentially involving federal government? Like in the old days you could rob a bank and be free from arrest once you crossed the state line.

 

[ferball]

the brits hold up the white flag, asking Tony Abbott to be an advisor in brexit trade negotiations, being nominated to the House of Lords in the process....
any hope of this being a amicable divorce is now gone, as the human wrecking ball that miley virus sung about is coming.

2020 what a year to be alive...

Former Australian PM Tony Abbott tipped for post-Brexit UK trade advisory role

Speculation about the appointment has been ongoing for Abbott, who has previously praised the ‘solidarity’ of nations with ties to the UK

www.theguardian.com

So he is actually gonna become a Lord. That is ****en hilarious.

 

[DesertRoo]

One social media post expressing a desire to shoot black people, lefties or protestors will be enough to establish motive with a good lawyer.

at a normal time and place, we wouldn’t even be having the discussion, he’d be going for murder and wouldn’t be getting out.

But the country is now so polarised.