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[Val Keating]

Val Keating if you get the chance you should watch Pilger latest doccos a few years old now but good.

The Coming War on China

The Coming War on China

johnpilger.com

Yeah I’m going to school myself on them for sure.

 

[DesertRoo]

Bit of bad luck for them isn’t it. Good for everyone else though. They’ve openly stated (finally after lying for years that they were just a developing country who struggles to feed its people) they want to be the number one power in the world.

Obama admin paved the way and spent a trillion on low yield tactical nukes...

so you can see where this is going, and you can’t simply say **** ‘em to a bunch of people who are sitting just above the poverty line. Who have nothing really to do with the CCP.

Obama’s Trillion Dollar Nuclear Weapons Gamble

Why is the president is proposing a multi-billion dollar nuclear arsenal overhaul that is expensive, dangerous, and does nothing to make the United States safer?

www.defenseone.com

 

[Val Keating]

Obama admin paved the way and spent a trillion on low yield tactical nukes...

so you can see where this is going, and you can’t simply say fu** ‘em to a bunch of people who are sitting just above the poverty line. Who have nothing really to do with the CCP.

Obama’s Trillion Dollar Nuclear Weapons Gamble

Why is the president is proposing a multi-billion dollar nuclear arsenal overhaul that is expensive, dangerous, and does nothing to make the United States safer?

www.defenseone.com

Those people on the poverty line are exactly why the CCP need us.

 

[DesertRoo]

Those people on the poverty line are exactly why the CCP need us.

Nah Australia exports are feeding the nouveau riche over there. They’re taking our medium to high quality beef/wine etc. and paying a premium for it.

the markets that feed the poor Australian prices would be too high.

 

[Val Keating]

Nah Australia exports are feeding the nouveau riche over there. They’re taking our medium to high quality beef/wine etc. and paying a premium for it.

the markets that feed the poor Australian prices would be too high.

There’s a trickle down effect. It’s also worth mentioning that the ccp hasn’t just started bitching with Australia, just about the whole western world is sick of their shit.

 

[StiffArm]

Definitely. I don't think it is feasible for any major industry to get off the ground without substantial government investment, ie we would never have got the private investment to build the NBN, our telecommunication infrastructure crumbled under Telstra after it was privatised.



Yeah, I think the most realistic solution in terms of large-scale replacement of fossil fuel is pump hydro, one of the snowy hydro generators has pump capacity but it is a fairly small time operation.

While most of these tend to be on a relatively small scale, in terms of how large reservoirs are, I think if you were going to do it on scale that would replace fossil fuel power you would need to do it on a grand scale, particularly to utilise the enormous power generation potential of solar during summer to move and store enough water so you could rely on hydro a lot more during the cooler/overcast part of the year. You could then effectively store and then convert summer sunlight into winter electricity if you had a large enough reserve system.

You could build these along the coast and just store seawater so you wouldn't need to negatively impact the ecosystem or harm our fragile river system.

it would take a significant investment though and take a national investment effort similar to the NBN.

Pumped Hydro is the cheapest option right now, and projects built in the next few years will be successful. I don't believe that it's a needed option long term. The trajectory of battery prices threaten to make storage at the generator more efficient. Furthermore, smaller distributed generation/storage is actually far better for the stability of the grid than the massive projects. It is better to generate power closer to where it is used.


There is also promise with technologies like this https://www.gravitricity.com/.

 

[ferball]

They’ve had our back before. If it wasn’t for them who knows what would’ve happened in WW2

That was just a convenient coincidence.

The only reason we have to trust the US is that we speak the same language and have a few cultural similarities. We have FA reason to trust the US government. The only reason they care about us is their comms infrastructure. Kissinger said the US has no permanent allies only permanent interests.

 

[goalieboy82]

CPofC will be banging on the door with their begging bowl in the future.
Their management of their own resources, be it water, land, minerals and people will see them tip over the edge.

Dictators make many enemies and Xi and his cronies are racking them up internally and even as far as places like Peru by sending 250 - 300 fishing vessels to " fish "

Hope l live to see them fail. They need a Gorbachev. Hopefully one in the ranks.

and maybe there will be some kind of Chernobyl* type event (maybe the Three Gorges Dam will collapse since its not the best built dam in the world). Chernobyl helped bring down the USSR (while there was other things, it help a lot)
*lets hope its a non nuclear type event

 

[Hojuman]

and maybe there will be some kind of Chernobyl* type event (maybe the Three Gorges Dam will collapse since its not the best built dam in the world). Chernobyl helped bring down the USSR (while there was other things, it help a lot)
*lets hope its a non nuclear type event

That dam goes Timmy the whole house of cards will tumble with it. God knows why it was ever built.

 

[goalieboy82]

That dam goes Timmy the whole house of cards will tumble with it. God knows why it was ever built.

i feel like that is what is going to happen (sooner then people think i think).

 

[Val Keating]

That was just a convenient coincidence.

The only reason we have to trust the US is that we speak the same language and have a few cultural similarities. We have FA reason to trust the US government. The only reason they care about us is their comms infrastructure. Kissinger said the US has no permanent allies only permanent interests.

Call it a coincidence that they were there, who cares. It’s pretty insulting to the marines that fought for us.

Spose no country can 100% trust another country but I’m glad their our allies and not our enemies that’s for sure. I’m much more comfortable on this side with America and Britain etc then I would be if we were relying on China. Those sneaky ****s treat their own people like shit, **** knows what they’d do to other countries people.

 

[rickety]

$8.50 for a top 8 finish on the Bet365 ..... giddyup Also got Nicko Larkey @$67 for the Johnny Coleman and the double of North in the top 8 and our boy Ryan and his storm mates in the top 4 snags $16.14 :-D

 

[koshari]

That dam goes Timmy the whole house of cards will tumble with it. God knows why it was ever built.

to lessen the yearly monsoonal flooding of shanghai for one reason. sticking to the designed level of 145 iam sure all will be good, but atm its at 160 meters, about 10 percent above design capacity.

 

[koshari]

Call it a coincidence that they were there, who cares. It’s pretty insulting to the marines that fought for us.

Spose no country can 100% trust another country but I’m glad their our allies and not our enemies that’s for sure. I’m much more comfortable on this side with America and Britain etc then I would be if we were relying on China. Those sneaky fu**s treat their own people like sh*t, fu** knows what they’d do to other countries people.

i dont know its really such a disrespectful statement, even states in a country will do things for the benifit of themselves at the expense of other states.

 

[Go_Roos!]

$8.50 for a top 8 finish on the Bet365 ..... giddyup Also got Nicko Larkey @$67 for the Johnny Coleman and the double of North in the top 8 and our boy Ryan and his storm mates in the top 4 snags $16.14 :-D

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Val Keating]

i dont know its really such a disrespectful statement, even states in a country will do things for the benifit of themselves at the expense of other states.

I was referring to people on the ground that were willing to die so that Australia wasn’t invaded while our main troops were fighting the Nazis in Europe.

 

[Val Keating]

China's Global Influence | Human Rights Watch

The Chinese government, while severely curbing fundamental rights at home, increasingly poses a threat to human rights around the world. The government uses its growing global power to pursue economic development in ways that often fall far short of international human rights standards...

www.hrw.org

 

[Val Keating]

This article in particular is very illuminating

Protect the Party: China’s growing influence in the developing world

David Shullman of the International Republican Institute argues that much of the foundation for China’s growing influence in developing countries is found in domestic challenges to CCP that dominate its attention, driving policies and investments around the Belt and Road Initiative.

www.brookings.edu

 

[Val Keating]

China's economic leverage over Australia

nsc.crawford.anu.edu.au

Just how important is China?

Many Australians imagine the economy depends overwhelmingly on exports. In fact, Australia’s economy is not overly reliant on exports compared with many countries in Asia and Europe: for instance, the ratios of exports to GDP is about 20 per cent, well below South Korea (46 per cent), Germany (47 per cent), Malaysia (71 per cent) or Singapore (176 per cent).

Of course, Australia’s exports are focused on Asia, and the share going to China – about 30 per cent of merchandise and 16 per cent of service exports – is the highest in the OECD and G20.

Exports to China are concentrated in a few sectors. Iron ore comprises half of merchandise exports, with gold, coal and wool adding a further 15 per cent.

Even if it wants to achieve a security or political gain, China is unlikely to interfere with those Australian exports that matter to its economy as well as to Australia’s. China imports two-thirds of its iron ore, of which Australian producers supply about 60 per cent.

Limitations to China’s domestic supply and the structure of global iron ore supply means China has few alternatives to Australia.

 

[Val Keating]

Like I said. **** em. They need us.

 

[krakouers]

China's economic leverage over Australia

nsc.crawford.anu.edu.au

Limitations to China’s domestic supply and the structure of global iron ore supply means China has few alternatives to Australia.

Always thought they were very reliant on us but opening up large mines in Africa could see demand for our supply fall

 

[koshari]

Always thought they were very reliant on us but opening up large mines in Africa could see demand for our supply fall

there will be a lag in time to bring these new supplies online but as we have seen china are happy to play the long game. in other articles posted it is well documented the bricks and belts or whatever their external marketing program is called is primarily about creating markets for their produce for longer term gain, they are still vulnerable in the future of pricing themselves out of hte market as the next frontier (india or african manufacturing) becoming cheaper than themselves as the middle class continues to emerge in china.

European, japanese and korean manufacturing all went through this cycle,

 

[Themanbun]

Always thought they were very reliant on us but opening up large mines in Africa could see demand for our supply fall

Everyone talks about Australia diversifying, but China can do exactly the same thing. Lots of African countries actually prefer Chinese loans since it comes with fewer strings than IMF and World Bank loans that demand that they bend over and change their political, cultural and social systems to mirror western norms in order to access western money. Africa growing under the Chinese sphere will be interesting, and I suspect we'll see a lot of 'progressive' western countries feeling very defensive and threatened by an Africa not completely subservient to them.

 

[rickety]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Seems like easy money to me

 

[koshari]

Everyone talks about Australia diversifying, but China can do exactly the same thing. Lots of African countries actually prefer Chinese loans since it comes with fewer strings than IMF and World Bank loans that demand that they bend over and change their political, cultural and social systems to mirror western norms in order to access western money. Africa growing under the Chinese sphere will be interesting, and I suspect we'll see a lot of 'progressive' western countries feeling very defensive and threatened by an Africa not completely subservient to them.

Good point, and many African leaders have demonstrated in the past they are quite happy to sign deals where the benefits to the greater populations net benefit is negative if it keeps them and their cronies at the wheel.