Play Nice Random Chat Thread VI

[Themanbun]

It's got a lot going for it. I lived there for a few years and visit regularly. I'll probably retire there.

Beautiful part of the world really.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

It's got a lot going for it. I lived there for a few years and visit regularly. I'll probably retire there.

Lucky.

I always wanted to visit my ancestral homeland (Germany/Prussia).

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Look, I don't want to get too far into this but there is another side to the 'it was all horror' narrative. Most non-emigrants I speak to who lived it didn't think it was so bad, but of course that's all anecdotal, and limited to one country. Lots of people lived just really normal lives.

Anyway, for a light hearted take on how either side pitches its narratives about the other, I suggest you watch Comrade Detective. It's dubbed over by Channing Tatum and Joseph Gordon Levitt and is an absolute pisser.

The truth is often muddled somewhere in the middle. In the end, it was their countries and countrymen, so it would be hard to be too critical for many.

 

[rickety]

I take it to be the accepted best estimation as established by an independent panel of experts in the field of historical cartography. As always, the panel reserves the right to amend the 'best' estimate when, and if, new cartographic evidence becomes available.

Edit: I have added a note regarding my omission of 'cartographic' in the earlier post, and hope that this in no way diminishes the important point I was attempting to make. Thank you for your understanding.

So a man, or men, out standing in their field, chuck a dart at a calendar, give each other a nod or a wink, and Robert's your mothers' brother

 

[Lomas]

So a man, or men, out standing in their field, chuck a dart at a calendar, give each other a nod or a wink, and Robert's your mothers' brother

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Yes, I think you have a firm grasp of historical cartography, although an inclusion of a map would be useful for novices. Luckily, this practice has not at any time resulted in unexpected, or regrettable, consequences.

 

[Themanbun]

The truth is often muddled somewhere in the middle. In the end, it was their countries and countrymen, so it would be hard to be too critical for many.

Yep, and on the flip side many emigrants who left only to be confronted by poverty in the West also find it hard to be critical of our countries.

Many of the people I speak to felt they had better lives during than before or after. Got to remember these places went from brutal feudalism to rapid development to complete destitution in the 1990s. To this day they still face massive population exoduses and brain drain. Some seem shocked that people like my family have had to skip meals, live off baked beans, etc. It's all relative.

 

[Lomas]

Yep, and on the flip side many emigrants who left only to be confronted by poverty in the West also find it hard to be critical of our countries.

Many of the people I speak to felt they had better lives during than before or after. Got to remember these places went from brutal feudalism to rapid development to complete destitution in the 1990s. To this day they still face massive population exoduses and brain drain. Some seem shocked that people like my family have had to skip meals, live off baked beans, etc. It's all relative.

I spent a fair bit of time living in the former East Germany in the years following reunification. Coming from a mixed migrant community/family myself, it was interesting, to say the least.

Very good post.

 

[rickety]

Yes, I think you have a firm grasp of historical cartography, although an inclusion of a map would be useful for novices. Luckily, this practice has not at any time resulted in unexpected, or regrettable, consequences.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

 

[Val Keating]

Look, I don't want to get too far into this but there is another side to the 'it was all horror' narrative. Most non-emigrants I speak to who lived it didn't think it was so bad, but of course that's all anecdotal, and limited to one country. Lots of people lived just really normal lives.

Anyway, for a light hearted take on how either side pitches its narratives about the other, I suggest you watch Comrade Detective. It's dubbed over by Channing Tatum and Joseph Gordon Levitt and is an absolute pisser.

Suggest you look into what they did to the Ukrainians. As evil as anything done by the Nazis. What they did to the Polish was equally as horrific.

Have you heard the joke about the polish farmer who finds a genie lantern?


A Polish man finds a genie in a bottle, one decades-old joke goes. The genie offers him three wishes.
The Pole says, “I want the Chinese to invade Poland and then go back to China.”
So it happens.
For his next wish, the Pole also asks for the Chinese to invade Poland and then go home.
So it happens.
For his third wish, the Pole again asks for the Chinese to invade Poland and go home.
“I gave you three wishes,” the genie cries. “Why did you ask for the Chinese to invade Poland and then go home three times?”
“Because they had to march across Russia six times.”

They deliberately starved people to the point of cannibalism of their own children. I don’t say that lightly, it’s been proven by their own record keeping. Deliberately starving working class people to death, the most cruel irony.

 

[Ligma]

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[Val Keating]

And you don’t even want to know what happened in Romania, but if you do, have a look at the book the anti humans. The things they did wouldn’t even get passed in a horror movie.

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[Kangaroos4eva]

Suggest you look into what they did to the Ukrainians. As evil as anything done by the Nazis. What they did to the Polish was equally as horrific.

Have you heard the joke about the polish farmer who finds a genie lantern?


A Polish man finds a genie in a bottle, one decades-old joke goes. The genie offers him three wishes.
The Pole says, “I want the Chinese to invade Poland and then go back to China.”
So it happens.
For his next wish, the Pole also asks for the Chinese to invade Poland and then go home.
So it happens.
For his third wish, the Pole again asks for the Chinese to invade Poland and go home.
“I gave you three wishes,” the genie cries. “Why did you ask for the Chinese to invade Poland and then go home three times?”
“Because they had to march across Russia six times.”

They deliberately starved people to the point of cannibalism of their own children. I don’t say that lightly, it’s been proven by their own record keeping. Deliberately starving working class people to death a the most cruel irony.

He knows the atrocities, we all do, he was talking about day-to-day life for the average citizens and that it was not as bad as it seemed.

Mr. Jones is an ok film on the Holodomor and how quite a few sympathetic western journalists tried to hide the famine.

 

[Val Keating]

He knows the atrocities, we all do, he was talking about day-to-day life for the average citizens and that it was not as bad as it seemed.

Mr. Jones is an ok film on the Holodomor and how quite a few sympathetic western journalists tried to hide the famine.

What citizens? The people in the cities that got the grain the farmers grew?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

What citizens? The people in the cities that got the grain the farmers grew?

Post-Stalin era with the day-to-day stuff, where under Stalin the bulk of atrocities occurred.

I don’t fully agree with him either, but I don’t think it was nearly as bad in the 1954-1991 period.

Now I feel extra dirty defending the Soviet Union.

 

[Val Keating]

Post-Stalin era with the day-to-day stuff, where under Stalin the bulk of atrocities occurred.

fair enough. The abuse started under Lenin and Starlin just continued it with an alcoholic insanity.

I think I need a break from it tbh. Started off with by educating myself as to why the Ukrainians and the soviets hate each other because of the build up of troops on the boarder, that lead me to Poland and then Romania and the list goes on.

Might have a spell and go back to comedy for a few days. Anti humans was rough.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

fair enough. The abuse started under Lenin and Starlin just continued it with an alcoholic insanity.

I think I need a break from it tbh. Started off with by educating myself as to why the Ukrainians and the soviets hate each other because of the build up of troops on the boarder, that lead me to Poland and then Romania and the list goes on.

Might have a spell and go back to comedy for a few days. Anti humans was rough.

Have a look at the Baltic states next, poor buggers got constantly screwed between the Germans and Russians.

 

[Themanbun]

Suggest you look into what they did to the Ukrainians. As evil as anything done by the Nazis. What they did to the Polish was equally as horrific.

Have you heard the joke about the polish farmer who finds a genie lantern?


A Polish man finds a genie in a bottle, one decades-old joke goes. The genie offers him three wishes.
The Pole says, “I want the Chinese to invade Poland and then go back to China.”
So it happens.
For his next wish, the Pole also asks for the Chinese to invade Poland and then go home.
So it happens.
For his third wish, the Pole again asks for the Chinese to invade Poland and go home.
“I gave you three wishes,” the genie cries. “Why did you ask for the Chinese to invade Poland and then go home three times?”
“Because they had to march across Russia six times.”

They deliberately starved people to the point of cannibalism of their own children. I don’t say that lightly, it’s been proven by their own record keeping. Deliberately starving working class people to death, the most cruel irony.

Well Iron Curtain doesn't just = USSR. But the Balts also copped it a bit.

It's not a point scoring competition but our own history is just as dark. The Irish Famine, the Bengal Famine, etc.

No one's saying it was all roses, so please don't take that from my comments, but the history books we read about foreign regions are going to focus on big events, awful and tragic more often than the boring, normal and uneventful lives that most people lived, and for a lot of those people they see it as a better lifestyle than what preceded or succeeded it. As I said, it's all relative and a matter of perspective. It's easy to lose that perspective when you read book after book about the horrible things that occurred under any system of governance.

 

[B4Bear]

SSC

Could not happen to a nicer campaigner.

 

[Val Keating]

Have a look at the Baltic states next, poor buggers got constantly screwed between the Germans and Russians.

Some nice light reading.

 

[Lomas]

Could not happen to a nicer campaigner.

But, but, I thought he won and struck a blow for.....

 

[Snake_Baker]

Gee, who would have thought that business was rife with unethical scumbags?

 

[Val Keating]

When you go on TV and say sorry about having a crank while on a zoom call

 

[Del191229]

The whole Morrison is secretly into QAnon because his wife's best friend's husband is just the Left version of Dan Andrews didn't fall down the stairs, he got bashed!

 

[Themanbun]

Came across this today. I won't hold my breath for the Herald Sun and Sky's Canadian exposé.